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White Vegans Making Life Hard for Poor Peruvians
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Capitalism can fix this as well. If quinoa is such a valuable crop, then more farmers - all around the world - should start growing it. Then the supply will rise to meet the demand and the price will fall back in line with other grains.
Who says that quinoa can only grow in the Andes?
Who says that quinoa can only grow in the Andes?
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@ 1, they've tried growing it in Europe, and it was a complete failure. So far, it really is only able to grow in the Andes. Maybe they can modify its genetics so that it will grow elsewhere...
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It's not only vegans that eat quinoa, or I would guess even primarily since the percentage of vegans in America is very small. It's taken off as an all-around "health food" so let's cast the blame where it really lies - the West in general.
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There's some question about the accuracy of the NPR story... http://bearwitnesspictures.blogspot.com/…
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@3 wtf? What ads? Are you having hyperlinks in the text? Like a single word will be blue with a link to some god awful ad-site?
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It'll turn up a little bit of everywhere for you if so. Its not Slog putting it there its a common stupid little piece of malware on your computer (if you have windows or Apple OS) that may also have been automaticly installed with things like that "free virusprotection" you installed or even when you bought the preinstalled computer as a nifty little part of the bloatware.
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7
As famous communist Deng Xiaoping once said "What matter if the cat is black or white so long as it catches mice?" As people learn of the despair, they will find a new solution.
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Also, I didn't see in the story where they said the vegans were white.
I guess that's exactly why NPR picked up the story and ran with it in the first place, without actually fact-checking more completely. It just sounds so good -- entitled (white?) people making life hard for far-away native population by stealing their staple food -- it's hard to imagine it's not true. But it doesn't seem like it is...
I guess that's exactly why NPR picked up the story and ran with it in the first place, without actually fact-checking more completely. It just sounds so good -- entitled (white?) people making life hard for far-away native population by stealing their staple food -- it's hard to imagine it's not true. But it doesn't seem like it is...
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Who posted this racist shit? "White Vegans". Mr Mudede is racist, why does The Stranger employ him? It's not cute, it's not funny, it's not hip. Is this part of "the discussion" America "needs" to have about race?
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Of course it's not so simple, as many other activists and journalists have noted: http://bearwitnesspictures.blogspot.com/…
http://www.alterecofoods.com/blog/edouar…
http://www.alterecofoods.com/blog/edouar…
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#9,10 - when you're on SLOG, you've entered an alternate universe where white=evil. You just have to get used to it.
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First, not all vegans are white, talk about reverting to stereotypes. Second, the area that is grown is also highly suspectible to other things like climate change and El Niño/La Niña weather cycles.
Hopefully, the price of Chuy won't be effected by "White Vegans" or the price of Pisco.
Hopefully, the price of Chuy won't be effected by "White Vegans" or the price of Pisco.
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i think the surely non-racist Mudede meant the green vegans. besides, white vegans are all filthy bad guys who only say they buy quinoa but really don't. this piece is such a knee jerk it forgot to link to the article quoted http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/…
and here is a better one on the same subject http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan…
and here is a better one on the same subject http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan…
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I agree with number 4; this is bullshit to blame on the vegans. Quinoa is more of a fad that's about class more than a choice of whether you eat meat/eggs/dairy. Vegans existed long before quinoa became popular among trendy foodies, and most of us have nothing to do with it. Before I get crap, I get it, vegans are overly sensitive, blah blah blah. But I don't like being blamed for ruining the lives of starving people when I don't even eat quinoa.
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It's been 20 years since I met an annoying vegan. It's like those "Men Are Like This, Women Are Like This" jokes that shitty stand up comics used to do.
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@ 11, those linked articles don't appear to contradict or answer the one Charles posted. Skimming through, I saw nothing stating that quinoa prices have not tripled in Lima, or that imported junk is not actually cheaper than quinoa today. They seem to be addressing concerns of quinoa farmers, but not the poor of Peru as a whole.
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Quinoa with canned chicken, kalamata olives, and zucchini is the bomb, some of the best camping food ever.
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I love Charles but agree with the poor headline... There's nothing particularly vegan about quinoa. I'm a vegan (non-white) and I haven't had quinoa in years.
I also wouldn't be surprised if more blacks were vegan in America (percentage-wise) than whites. Veganism/vegetarianism is popular with black celebrities (Russell Simmons, Carl Lewis, Andre 3000, KRS-One, Common, Brandy, Hank Aaron, Bob Marley, etc). The most popular vegan restaurants in Seattle & Tacoma are black-owned (Plum & Hillside Quickies). And there are plenty of black soul food cookbooks.
Also, of course, the vast majority of vegetarians/vegans in the world are Asian. Africans are probably #2 (at least on certain days).
I also wouldn't be surprised if more blacks were vegan in America (percentage-wise) than whites. Veganism/vegetarianism is popular with black celebrities (Russell Simmons, Carl Lewis, Andre 3000, KRS-One, Common, Brandy, Hank Aaron, Bob Marley, etc). The most popular vegan restaurants in Seattle & Tacoma are black-owned (Plum & Hillside Quickies). And there are plenty of black soul food cookbooks.
Also, of course, the vast majority of vegetarians/vegans in the world are Asian. Africans are probably #2 (at least on certain days).
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Of course. Because if "white vegans" would just stop buying quinoa and allowed the market for one of Peru and Bolivia's main exports to collapse, quality of life there would magically be so much higher.
It's really depressing to see this article passed around so much as though it were gospel. It engages in serious cherry-picking around a complex issue, and rich people who are all too eager to have their grocery store purchases given a stamp of moral approval lap it up.
It's really depressing to see this article passed around so much as though it were gospel. It engages in serious cherry-picking around a complex issue, and rich people who are all too eager to have their grocery store purchases given a stamp of moral approval lap it up.
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Because no minority groups ever starved en masse under a left-wing command-and-control economy.
Or maybe a few, like say tens of millions, whatevs, but at least they didn't have to watch their children die so that White Vegans could buy a health grain at Whole Foods.
Or maybe a few, like say tens of millions, whatevs, but at least they didn't have to watch their children die so that White Vegans could buy a health grain at Whole Foods.
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@10, the Stranger employs Mudede because he increases traffic to the site. he posts inflammatory articles, which is all he does if you'll notice, not because they are right or interesting, but because they increase traffic. he's a troll, really, but a necessary one for a website such as this.
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Only white, privileged hipsters pay attention to NPR.
Which I'm sure is what Charles so desperately wants to be.
Which I'm sure is what Charles so desperately wants to be.
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White Seattle vegans in an uproar on Slog, hahaha! Too good. In your face, you holier-than-thou over-privileged asshats. Maybe the fact that you are screwing over poor South Americans will shut up your preachy lilywhite traps for once. Thanks for posting, Charles! And keep posting your "outraged" comments, whiteys - it's super entertaining. You people are so predictable.
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This is a variant of the resource curse faced by countries with mineral wealth. The answer is not impovishering the country by cutting off the export if a cash crop. Nor is it hippie punching. If quinoa faced an export tariff or if taxes on agricultural land were raised, the prosperity from the world's demand could be more broadly shared within the producing countries.
In any case, I don't see the irony described as ghastly in the final block quote. Even taking the claims and the framing of the article as true, personal health, animal welfare, and carbon reduction are not in tension with denying food security to others. Food security shouldn't be based on irrelevant accusations of hypocrisy.
I am always amazed by how threatened people are by the dietary choices of others.
In any case, I don't see the irony described as ghastly in the final block quote. Even taking the claims and the framing of the article as true, personal health, animal welfare, and carbon reduction are not in tension with denying food security to others. Food security shouldn't be based on irrelevant accusations of hypocrisy.
I am always amazed by how threatened people are by the dietary choices of others.
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Eh, I know some vegans like quinoa, but when I really started seeing quinoa EVERYWHERE was when the "gluten-free" fad started to pick up steam. Now everyone thinks they have a gluten allergy (when it is more than likely they do not), and so they're all eating quinoa as a substitute.
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It is a shame that Charles presented this article so poorly. There are some very good elements to this story, even though The Guardian should be faulted for calling out vegans.The fact is that global consumption changes local conditions and real people suffer while solutions are found. Remember when gasahol legislation during Bush Jr's admin sent corn prices through the roof? Poor people in Mexico couldn't afford to buy their staple food. When a few cents stands between you and hunger, waiting for "market adjustments" isn't the firts thing that comes to mind.
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This strikes me as a short term problem. Solutions, be they alternatives, breeding, or genetic engineering, take time. Also, the flip side of this is that (this is speculation) some formally poor 3rd world farmers are now likely pulling in a lot more money than they were less than a decade ago. God forbid these guys get out of poverty.
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I've been eating quinoa for nearly twenty years and I'm not vegan. No matter what food anyone eats, someone will find something wrong with it. Maybe a clearer focus on the fact this planet generates enough food to feed everyone yet people are still starving everyday would be a good place to start putting this into perspective.
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Quinoa is grown in the Washington Okanogan. The first I ever bought it was from the co-op in Tonasket, locally-grown. Probably 15-20 years ago.
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And what do you mean by "white vegans"? What racist crap is that? Because I've lost all tolerance for Mudede's ethereal twaddle, does that make me racist, too?
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Here are two responses to Joanna Blyman's piece Slog readers may be interested in, by yours truly and the other by Mimi Bekhechi of PETA:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/…
http://indianapublicmedia.org/eartheats/…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/…
http://indianapublicmedia.org/eartheats/…
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@41, Yes, probably. And I even live in Vancouver, where black people are a smaller minority than in most of the U.S. Now don't move the goalposts again or you'll look like a nincompoop. I'm sorry the world doesn't fit your dumb stereotypes.
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I love quinoa, but I'm not a vegan. The whole gluten-free fad is the reason quinoa is so popular right now.
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I am not vegan or even vegetarian and I love quinoa. I think it is unfair to demonise vegans. Quinoa has been commercially touted as a superfood by the media, and I think that is why it is so popular. If we all stop eating it, what happens to the jobs of the Peruvians and Bolivians who grow and collect it? This is also a problem to be considered. The importers and sellers of quinoa could easily choose to price the quinoa differently and fairly for local vs international imports, but they choose not to. This is a complex situation. I will stop eating it if it is really the best thing, but I do question if it is.
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Trying to remember the last time I read a stranger blog post or article about harmful effects of carnivore diet on the environment, people, animals. Of which there are a ton. HMMM
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Ah, fuck the animals. Wait, that's Savage's department. Eat the animals, I say. At least the ones that taste good.
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Sorta perused the linked story...
But the economics of this don't smell right. If quinoa prices are being driven up due to high demand, shouldn't poor farmers that farm quinoa be making more money? And can't that money be used to purchase more calories?
And shouldn't more poor farmers be moving towards quinoa as a crop?
And there we go: http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2013/jan…
The conditions of life there may not be great. But at least this is offering some further income and a chance to move out of poverty.
But the economics of this don't smell right. If quinoa prices are being driven up due to high demand, shouldn't poor farmers that farm quinoa be making more money? And can't that money be used to purchase more calories?
And shouldn't more poor farmers be moving towards quinoa as a crop?
And there we go: http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2013/jan…
The conditions of life there may not be great. But at least this is offering some further income and a chance to move out of poverty.
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#50, the "progressives" love it when Peruvian farmers are poor. It makes them humble, and so photogenic.
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