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But none of the proposed gun control laws would have stopped this from happening.....
Posted by NancyBalls on February 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 2
This says more about our lack of mental health care for veterans than it does about guns.

As for Obama, that looks like that's the first time he's ever shot a gun in his life. Nope. Nobody's buying it.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on February 3, 2013 at 10:45 AM · Report this
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What's your idea of sufficient mental health care? Locking veterans with PTSD in cages so they can't visit a shooting range on the weekend? Do you want mental health IDs issued to every American so they can screen you at the gun club gates?

Are you for locking people up? Or tagging and tracking them everywhere they go? Or what? The NRA won't tell anybody what their mental health plan looks like?
Posted by Go 'way, 'batin' on February 3, 2013 at 10:53 AM · Report this
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@ 3. Damn dude, you got all questions and no answers.... bet that is because you never hear the voice of reason when someone responds to your BS...;-%.._
Posted by pupuguru http://www.godsweed.org on February 3, 2013 at 10:59 AM · Report this
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Wait, the NRA mental health plan is out and I missed it? Where is is? I want to read it.
Posted by Go 'way, 'batin' on February 3, 2013 at 11:04 AM · Report this
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Karma got the guy who boasted of more than 150 "kills." Pity.
Posted by rabbitbrush on February 3, 2013 at 11:08 AM · Report this
seatackled 7
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn posted a NYT link below reporting that the shooter who killed the sniper is a PTSD-suffering vet, so he's a civilian the way the sniper was.

And to follow up on the comment @6, don't most vets talk about their "service" and their "missions" instead of proudly proclaiming how they killed their enemies?
Posted by seatackled on February 3, 2013 at 11:12 AM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 8
So the deadliest sniper in the US was shot in a place full of guns. Wow, perhaps guns don't make us safer! Or do you disagree Nancy?
Posted by Pridge Wessea on February 3, 2013 at 11:13 AM · Report this
seatackled 9
Didn't the skeet shooting stuff come up not because Obama was boasting, but because some reporter had asked if he'd ever shot a gun? So he answered the question, and then the Republicans stepped right into it. They're being labeled as "skeeters"--skeet-shooting truthers.
Posted by seatackled on February 3, 2013 at 11:16 AM · Report this
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Look. Obama was asked a question, and he answered it. This fact seems wholly uncontroversial to any normal person. And it certainly didn't come across as anyone "selling" anything. It was a simple response to a simple question. What's your problem?
Posted by stating the obvious on February 3, 2013 at 11:17 AM · Report this
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Killing an average of more than one man a month might make anyone sort of crazy
Helping a PTSD vet shoot more guns is an example of this craziness.

Congrats dude, You ended one with a period.
Posted by pupuguru http://www.godsweed.org on February 3, 2013 at 11:17 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 12
When I was in college, back between the wars, I was involved in a collegiate organization called the ACUI - Association of College Unions International. It was mostly about student union programming and activities (union in the sense of the building with the snack bar and bowling alley) but it also had a skeet shooting component which sponsored competitions and such. I used to try my hand at it from time to time. It was meh - I preferred floating down the river in an inner tube with a styrofoam cooler full of beer.

If the President wants to skeet shoot, let him skeet shot. He has a hard job.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on February 3, 2013 at 11:24 AM · Report this
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@8 Of course guns are dangerous, but the blind us-vs-them rhetoric espoused on the Slog is dangerous as well, and not just for America, but for the liberal base. We need an honest conversation about guns, not name calling, dick wiggling, and political white-washing. People like Goldy have been bringing the worst out in people, and are just as guilty of pig-headed ignorance as NRA buffons like LaPierre.
Posted by NancyBalls on February 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM · Report this
seatackled 14
@12 Better he do that than play video games, imo.

But I get it now. Obama faked the Newtown massacre so that he could get gun control to the front burner in order to lure a reporter into asking him if he'd ever shot a gun before so that he could put out that photograph that his mother took of him with a gun as he was growing up in Kenya plotting a Soviet takeover of the best health care system in the world--America's. He's a wily one, that Obama.
Posted by seatackled on February 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM · Report this
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and I'm aware this particular post was made my Charles. I think Goldy got told to knock it off after the stupid Brazilian Fire debacle last week.
Posted by NancyBalls on February 3, 2013 at 11:35 AM · Report this
seatackled 16
@13

Tell the NRA we need an "honest conversation"--you know, that group that gets legislation passed prohibiting government organizations from even addressing gun deaths. But you're pretty much as full of shit as the NRA is.
Posted by seatackled on February 3, 2013 at 11:39 AM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 17
"He that lives by the sword dies..." Oh who the hell cares any more.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on February 3, 2013 at 11:40 AM · Report this
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Sorry, Charlie, everybody but the skeetertweeters are buying Obama's side of the story.
Posted by RonK, Seattle on February 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM · Report this
Goldy 19
Nancy @13
People like Goldy have been bringing the worst out in people, and are just as guilty of pig-headed ignorance as NRA buffons like LaPierre.


So all this gun violence is my fault? And if somebody gets angry at what I've been writing and, you know, shoots me, I've been asking for it, right, so I'm just as much to blame?

Nancy @15
I think Goldy got told to knock it off after the stupid Brazilian Fire debacle last week.


Dream on.
Posted by Goldy on February 3, 2013 at 11:42 AM · Report this
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Why do you think this is only about the proposed gun control laws? If you please sir, may we point out a dumb decision without it having to be about a bill in congress?

Can't we also have a conversation about whether or not it's a good idea to sleep with five guns under your blanket, and give your kids a gun for their third birthday? Can we talk about whether or not it's a good idea to play with guns morning, noon and night? Or whether it's a good idea for troubled vets to spend even more time with more guns?

It's always "you can't talk about this" and "you can't talk about that" with you people. "Don't dare say what you think or you'll hurt a gun lover's feelings!"

Why the fuck do we have to get permission from the gun lovers to say what we think?
Posted by Go 'way, 'batin' on February 3, 2013 at 11:43 AM · Report this
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Kyle was sociopathic from jump. If you read his words about his motivation you will see this. He used his special training to justify HIS OWN need to kill. Super control issues, sense of "ultimate judge", volunteer to follow orders to kill and be proud of his ability. Yes, some adjustment problems there. BTW, I am a VN vet and former VA counselor working with substance abuse and PTSD. Suicide and homicide comes to those who dream of killing other men; whether good dreams or bad, dream of killing and death comes..sad.
Posted by pupuguru http://www.godsweed.org on February 3, 2013 at 11:50 AM · Report this
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"So all this gun violence is my fault?"

Do you have a degree in journalism?
Or even any courses in English?
Because that does not seem to be any rational interpretation of that statement.

"And if somebody gets angry at what I've been writing and, you know, shoots me, I've been asking for it, right, so I'm just as much to blame?"

Seriously, have you taken any journalism courses?
Because, again, that does not seem to be any rational interpretation of that statement.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on February 3, 2013 at 11:52 AM · Report this
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Goldy's always been a worthless piece of shit in search of a cause to go on braying about. And now he's found a perpetual one since firearms aren't going anywhere. Luckily, he had zero job offers to turn down before venturing out into the lonely wilderness of Stranger "journalism", taken seriously by none but the freaks.
Posted by Stranger'sWorstNightmare on February 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM · Report this
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@22 Goldy's interpretation of that statement wasn't entirely out of line. That was a ridiculous statement. LaPierre and Goldy aren't even in the same league when it comes to escalating division and paranoia. And Goldy doesn't have nearly LaPierre's influence.
Posted by stating the obvious on February 3, 2013 at 12:02 PM · Report this
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@24
Goldy was accused of "pig-headed ignorance".
Goldy decided that "pig-headed ignorance" meant "gun violence" was his "fault".
So Goldy's response was "entirely out of line".

Not helping resolve a situation is NOT the same as causing the situation.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on February 3, 2013 at 12:08 PM · Report this
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@25 "Not helping resolve a situation is NOT the same as causing the situation."

When will people stop ignoring the dependent clause?: "People like Goldy have been bringing the worst out in people".
Posted by stating the obvious on February 3, 2013 at 12:13 PM · Report this
Frank Blethen's vodka distiller 27
Nothing the right fears more than a black guy with a gun.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/bo…
Posted by Frank Blethen's vodka distiller on February 3, 2013 at 12:15 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 28
why can't you "liberals" stop "dick wiggling" about gun violence? start "conversing honestly" about guns - and by that i mean stop talking about them.
Posted by Max Solomon on February 3, 2013 at 12:20 PM · Report this
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So you are saying that not helping to resolve a situation IS the same as causing it?
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on February 3, 2013 at 12:25 PM · Report this
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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/South…

More successful news from the gun buy back!

I guess the thugs in south Seattle couldn't make it!
Posted by Stranger'sWorstNightmare on February 3, 2013 at 12:25 PM · Report this
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on February 3, 2013 at 12:25 PM · Report this
Phoebe in Wallingford 32
I can't make up my mind which was sillier, Obama skeet shooting or Dukakis's tank ride.
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on February 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM · Report this
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@29 No. I'm saying that making statements about someone "bringing the worst out in people" in the context of an argument about gun violence and putting that person on par with those who are perpetuating gun violence is not a huge leap from claiming that someone is part of the perpetuation of gun violence.
Posted by stating the obvious on February 3, 2013 at 12:35 PM · Report this
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@32 A quick look at your own comment history really should put that question right out of your head.
Posted by stating the obvious on February 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM · Report this
lark 35
Good Afternoon Charles,
Thanks.

Chris Kyle RIP. A tragedy to be sure but I'm not so sure he had it all together. It appears for him he should have never owned a weapon/firearm after service. Too late now. Condolences to his friends and family.
Posted by lark on February 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM · Report this
seatackled 36
@32

Bet she loved Bush in the flightsuit.
Posted by seatackled on February 3, 2013 at 12:49 PM · Report this
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@33
"... putting that person on par with those who are perpetuating gun violence is not a huge leap from claiming that someone is part of the perpetuation of gun violence."

Except that the "putting that person on par with" was in regards to "pig-headed ignorance".

Whereas Goldy decided that it meant that he (Goldy) was responsible for the "gun violence".
Which you seem to agree with.
So that means that Goldy's "pig-headed ignorance" which does not help resolve the situation IS the same as causing the situation in the first place.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on February 3, 2013 at 12:53 PM · Report this
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Not a civilian.

The shooter was a reservist and former marine who had served in Afghanistan and Iraq.
NPR has more.
Posted by Lack Thereof on February 3, 2013 at 12:57 PM · Report this
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@37 Once again, you're being disingenuous by not dealing with the entire statement. As a whole. You can't ignore some parts of a statement just because it's more convenient to do so. Or are you a member of the NRA?
Posted by stating the obvious on February 3, 2013 at 12:57 PM · Report this
Phoebe in Wallingford 40
@36: No, that was silly as well. Thanks for adding it to the list.
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on February 3, 2013 at 12:59 PM · Report this
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Hey Staff, its been a while since you've provided a good example of your affinity for satanic cock. You have a real opportunity here by showing your support for the DHS surveillance cameras currently being installed along the waterfront with the stated purpose of curbing crime. Get up on it ya'll.
Posted by carsten coolage on February 3, 2013 at 1:04 PM · Report this
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"Once again, you're being disingenuous by not dealing with the entire statement. As a whole."

The statement, as a whole, specifies "pig-headed ignorance" as the aspect which is equal between those two.
You (and Goldy) want to ignore that specificity so you can claim that other aspects that were not stated were implied.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on February 3, 2013 at 1:06 PM · Report this
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@42 Actually, you're right; the two are not exactly "on par" in this statement. If we're going to get all strictly semantical, it could easily be interpreted that Goldy is WORSE than LaPierre here because there was no similar statement made about LaPierre's "bringing the worst out in people".
Posted by stating the obvious on February 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM · Report this
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@43

Keep in mind that, according to previous posts, fairly.unbalanced doesn't speak English fluently. So there's not much point in getting too deep into parsing the language with him.
Posted by Go 'way, 'batin' on February 3, 2013 at 1:27 PM · Report this
TheMisanthrope 45
Trololololol

Chaz, 8/10

Goldy 10/10

Also, I'm saddened that this conversation barely touched on the matters that need to be continued: PTSD treatment.

And, yeah anon troll, I think that maybe a shooting range isn't the best place for a soldier with PTSD. And especially not with a gun with live ammo.
Posted by TheMisanthrope on February 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM · Report this
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The solution is obvious: gun ranges need armed guards to insure gun enthusiasts are safe from bad guys with guns.

I won't consider whether armed guards need to be protected with armed guards because my head hurts now.
Posted by anon1256 on February 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM · Report this
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"If we're going to get all strictly semantical, it could easily be interpreted that Goldy is WORSE than LaPierre ..."

Maybe so.
And yet that still does not support Goldy's position that that post claims that "gun violence" is his (Goldy's) "fault".
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on February 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM · Report this
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@47 Well, then you absolve LaPierre as well. Because if Goldy is worse than LaPierre in the context of a gun violence discussion, and if Goldy doesn't get any blame for gun violence, then surely neither does LaPierre. I disagree.

The only point for which I think Goldy deserves criticism is the use of the word "all". Just like when Obama said "all the time" in relation to his skeet shooting. It's a word that "all" of us use "all" too often. And those who are hyperfocused on criticism are bound to jump on that usage. Which is to say that, if you yourself had taken "any courses in English", you would have known to rest your argument on that "all" alone.
Posted by stating the obvious on February 3, 2013 at 1:55 PM · Report this
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@48
"Well, then you absolve LaPierre as well. Because if Goldy is worse than LaPierre in the context of a gun violence discussion, ..."

Except that now you are inserting "in the context of a gun violence discussion".
You have not established that yet.
Merely that the implication may be that Goldy is "worse" than LaPierre because LaPierre is not also described as "bringing the worst out in people".
And even that interpretation requires that any other characteristic or trait be ignored (or non-existent).

And that STILL does not support Goldy's position that that post claims that "gun violence" is his (Goldy's) "fault".

But I do think that you are doing an excellent job of proving what "NancyBalls" posted to be true.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on February 3, 2013 at 2:17 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 50
@49

Hold on, aren't you NancyBalls? I thought that was your other sock account.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on February 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM · Report this
Charles Mudede 51
38, i used civilian deliberately. he was no longer active, right? that makes you a civilian, right? i could be wrong.
Posted by Charles Mudede on February 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM · Report this
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@51
You used it correctly, Charles.
Usually, the difference is whether you fall under the UCMJ or civilian laws.
There is some ambiguity about military contractors in a war zone and such.
But in this instance your usage was correct.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on February 3, 2013 at 2:37 PM · Report this
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@51

Since had served, most people would say Veteran to signify while he wasn't presently serving he has served in the past and has received the training. Although, the Army so far has been reluctant to release his deployment records, in the past its been because the individual with PTSD hadn't actually seen combat, or it becomes a debate about how much combat he had seen.

An old Army buddy of mine suffered that fate, he had a flashback under the influence of alcohol and killed two fellow soldiers. His entire trial became a debate over whether he had seen enough to have "PTSD"
Posted by Dorsol Plants on February 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM · Report this
watchout5 54
I support Obama's gun habit because the more guns that he holds and we can get pictures of the funnier this will be in the span of history. I want more poorly photoshopped pictures of Obama shooting 9/11. So worth it.
Posted by watchout5 http://www.overclockeddrama.com on February 3, 2013 at 3:39 PM · Report this
fletc3her 55
None of the gun control laws would have prevented this, but the murder control law is going to help bring justice to the perpetrator.
Posted by fletc3her on February 3, 2013 at 3:52 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 56
I have a framed and signed picture of Joe Biden and Barack Obama shooting down spaceships from Pluto.

Murricah!
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on February 3, 2013 at 4:00 PM · Report this
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@49 You'd comprehend much better if you read more closely.
Posted by stating the obvious on February 3, 2013 at 4:06 PM · Report this
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Somehow responding to a question with "I skeeter shoot all the time" is controversial to Rightwingers while the shooting down of 20 children in Newtown isn't.

Please! If Righties would put as much energy into coming up with sensible gun control to address incidents like Newtown, instead of spending energy trying to gin up non-scandals, they'd be better off.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on February 3, 2013 at 6:02 PM · Report this
this guy I know in Spokane 59
@13 "DICK-WIGGLING" Thank you thank you thank you for that.
Posted by this guy I know in Spokane on February 3, 2013 at 6:49 PM · Report this
this guy I know in Spokane 60
Dick-wiggling.
Posted by this guy I know in Spokane on February 3, 2013 at 6:50 PM · Report this
aureolaborealis 61
Holy Living Fuck, the gun nuts can shit up a thread quickly and thoroughly. I say this as the owner of multiple guns, not all of which are for hunting.
Am I correct in remembering that some of the most unhinged here are not even gun owners?
Posted by aureolaborealis on February 3, 2013 at 10:46 PM · Report this
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@61

On the SLOG, if you own a gun then you are a gun nut.

For me, it's been a pleasure being vilified on these threads.
Posted by CPN on February 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM · Report this
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Let us hope this "Smash! Smash! SMASH!" episode isn't a formative experience for Kai, lest he goes on to become a Brunnen-G Divine Assassin.
Posted by RonK, Seattle on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM · Report this
i'm pro-science and i vote 64
"Do we need armed guards at shooting ranges?" - quote of the day, by Mike Malloy

I think the skeet shooting mention by Obama / photo release by white house, whether he's truly a regular skeet shooter or not, may be a hilarious little ploy to waste the time and energy of these right wingers suffering from ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome). White house strategists could be thinking, shit, if any Obama hater out there is looking for something to attack him for it might as well be something that makes them look ridiculous and crazier to the masses, so bait them with whatever will lead them there. I think white house waited 2 years to release his more detailed birth certificate for the same reason. To allow these idiots to hang themselves with their own rope while a long-term corporatist/progressive (the irony) Obama agenda is quietly on the move.

If you were in a long footrace with someone else, through valleys and mountains, woods and plains, wouldn't you hope your opponent would get tripped up into going the wrong way on their way to the finish line (end goal)?

If that sounds strange it's because I just toked.. but this is what I suspect is going on. Keep these teabaggers front and center every now and then, to make their party look crazy

I also think the ODS folks are so wrapped up in their fear, hatred, and ODS and happen to believe so strongly that they are the true standard Americans, this country's heart and soul (self righteous) that they can't see how out-there they seem to the rest of us. Is it clear by now that ODS is why the entire republican party is in trouble? People rarely make good decisions when they're totally freaked out with fear and hatred
Posted by i'm pro-science and i vote http://www.prettyopenended.com on February 5, 2013 at 1:02 AM · Report this

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