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God was speaking through that woman. Amen, sister.
Posted by NotYourStrawMan on February 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM · Report this
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The Right spews hatred at the top of their lungs, but is so afraid of the truth that they have to resort to physical removal and assault in order to supress it. If they truly believed the bullshit they were spewing, they would have no problem with what she was saying. But they can't refute it, so they must muzzle it.

Keep speaking up Kathy. Your message needs to be heard.
Posted by SeattleKim on February 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM · Report this
--MC 3
Stay classy, Sparks!
Posted by --MC on February 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM · Report this
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Oh, hon, charge them with assault. You were obviously under control and speaking calmly, and giving them no reason to grab you.
Posted by agony on February 11, 2013 at 11:41 AM · Report this
SoUt 5
Oh the courage! Very inspiring.
Speaking of NALT Christians, John Shore's latest blog post is pretty rad. If anybody knows how to put his info up, that would be good. I'll be lucky if I can post this comment :) Not super tech-savvy.
Posted by SoUt on February 11, 2013 at 11:45 AM · Report this
Hernandez 6
@5 Dan has linked to John Shore's blog on a number of occasions. He's definitely one of the good ones. Takes a lot of heat from the evangelical community (who must feel quite threatened by his emerging popularity), but he, along with Ms. Baldock above, are doing great work.
Posted by Hernandez http://hernandezlist.blogspot.com on February 11, 2013 at 11:52 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 7
Fascism, plain and simple.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on February 11, 2013 at 11:53 AM · Report this
SoUt 8
Oops, the John shore post I was referring to is not the latest. It's from Jan. 30.
Posted by SoUt on February 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM · Report this
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Way to go, Kathy!! Be bold.
Posted by Mer-Mer on February 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM · Report this
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She should pull out a gun and shoot those mofos who assaulted her. Stand your ground !
Posted by JaxBriggs on February 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM · Report this
johnnycat 11
I think Jesus would like Kathy's point of view. And fuck those goons who hate to hear the truth.
Posted by johnnycat on February 11, 2013 at 12:19 PM · Report this
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Amen, sister! Teach it like you preach it!

Anyone who wants to see a Christian persecuted for speaking the truth, check it out.
Posted by DRF on February 11, 2013 at 12:26 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 13
Hearing the phrase "not all christians are like that" is really close to saying "Not all Nazi's are like that".

Sorry...if you belive in magical cloud beings grow the fuck up..I don't caree how good your intentions are.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on February 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 14
Or what did Bill Maher call them? The Mafia Wives? Spending their time oblivious of the horror that makes their "spiritual comfort" possible.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on February 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM · Report this
kim in portland 15
Welcome to the world of being kicked out, Kathy. Once you get over the shock it is really liberating. There is a crowd of us, John Shore is probably the most famous, that are so very proud of you. Well done.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on February 11, 2013 at 12:34 PM · Report this
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See, if you want to change hearts and minds, this is what you do. You don't engage in name calling. You don't let loose a stream of profanity. You confront the opposing side with facts and evidence and you allow them to show their true colors. And then allow people to make up their own minds.

Taking the high road is difficult. Being willing and able to engage is hard. It takes courage. It takes patience. It takes wisdom and restraint. It takes knowing your opposition beyond mere caricatures and being willing to talk to them on their terms. And it doesn't get the same immediate hit of attention that yelling and screaming often does.

But it changes minds.
Posted by Corydon on February 11, 2013 at 12:39 PM · Report this
bleedingheartlibertarian 17
Press charges. That was assault.
Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on February 11, 2013 at 12:58 PM · Report this
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I agree w/ the women's message, but if she was disrupting their event I can't really blame them for throwing her out. On the other hand, if it was her turn to talk and they shut her down because they didn't like what she had to say, that's a definite dick move.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on February 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM · Report this
lolorhone 19
What a brave human being she is. And this brave human being should sue the living shit out of those intolerant thugs. And then keep telling the truth based in all that inconvenient science with all its sinful reality-based assessments.
Posted by lolorhone on February 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM · Report this
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@18, She was speaking during the Q&A session, so she was not disrupting anyone. Apparently, freedom of speech does not extend to ex-gay seminars.
Posted by SeattleKim on February 11, 2013 at 1:17 PM · Report this
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Oh, for pete's sake, @13. There's a huge difference between people who believe in magical cloud beings and Nazis. Like people who believe they've been abducted by aliens, people with non-science-based beliefs may be a little nutty, but they are not necessarily fascist nor even immature. It's the quest for status within a powerful, violent group that makes one an evil Nazi, not the belief in fairies. You might as well say that reading a horoscope makes someone "close to a Nazi."
Posted by Drusilla on February 11, 2013 at 1:38 PM · Report this
Pick1 22
@13 Being angry with religion is fine, but wanting to believe in something beyond this life is human nature. Death is scary and for those that find solace in the idea of a hereafter (a question none of us can answer) shouldn't be belittled for it. The almighty being theory is about as likely as there being nothing after this life. There are infinite possibilities of what happens.

So when Christians use moral grounds to do terrible things, call them on their hypocrisy. Thinking they are bad or stupid solely for wanting that solace is condescending and makes you look like a jerk.
Posted by Pick1 on February 11, 2013 at 1:55 PM · Report this
bleedingheartlibertarian 23
@18--They had a right to ask her to leave. They had a right to contact the police if she did not do so, and have them remove her if necessary.

They did not have a right to use physical force against her unless and until she presented a threat, which she clearly did not do.
Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on February 11, 2013 at 2:06 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 24
18, apply some critical thinking to what you're defending. This wasn't a normal service, the speaker wasn't disrupting their specific brand of worship. It was a meeting designed to teach people how to torture their kids, make their lives miserable, and still feel that they're doing a 'holy' thing. She brought facts to these people, showing them what they want to do. They used force to prevent her from doing so. Defending their actions is despicable.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on February 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM · Report this
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That chick has serious clit. All hail the brave ones - history will smile upon them.

I always think of the kids and grandkids of the bigots, and how they will cringe in horror when they learn - when they see with their own eyes as in this film, their dads about ready to bodily drag a woman out of a public venue for daring to stand up and speak on behalf of a vulnerable minority. Damn.

Posted by Velvetbabe on February 11, 2013 at 3:50 PM · Report this
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Hey I was there... She got up to speak and ask Kent Paris some questions but the church didn't give her a chance to say anything! Literally I was on camera and said nothing at all. Two strong arm church security guys (off duty cops) grabbed me and knocked out my knees. I didn't even see them coming. Kathy had only said hello. Ha!
Posted by MarkWorsnop on February 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM · Report this
Wings 27
I've been following Kathy's blog for months. I'm an Ignostic, but I have a TON of respect for the way this lady has put herself out there, time and again, on behalf of the LGBT community and our youth in particular.

She takes a lot of heat for what she's doing... up to and including threats of torture and death. But she keeps going, keeps spreading the message, keeps expending her time and energy and money on getting her message out there.

I don't have to believe in her god to respect what she does... the fact is, a good portion of the world believes in her god... and those people need to hear about love, to counteract all they hear about hate. Most of them are not going to listen to us, but they may listen to her, because she is "one of them."

She's an amazing lady... and whether you agree with her faith or not, she has done much to earn our respect for her as a staunch ally, and a loving voice shining light into the darkness created by hateful bigots.
Posted by Wings on February 11, 2013 at 5:05 PM · Report this
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This was a QA period in which Kent Paris was speaking. Kathy Baldock was simply going to ask a few questions. Nothing else. The church where the meeting was held had at least 6 security guys (all off duty cops) jump on her before she could finish even saying hello. Pretty bad. At least Kathy should have been able to speak and IF she was disruptive THEN ask her to leave. But that isnt what happened. She had just barely started to speak and she was dragged out of the building.

The camera person did nothing except take the short video. He was strong armed and knocked to the floor and also dragged out.

Heck of a way for a church to act!
Posted by MarkWorsnop on February 11, 2013 at 5:16 PM · Report this
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@23 I don't think that's right BHL. A quick google search shows Nevada law does allow the use of reasonable physical force to protect property from trespassers.

@24 I see the freedom of speech and association as a bit more important than the gay rights agenda. At one time the notion that homosexual behavior wasn't necessarily a bad thing was considered a crazy idea. Were it not for the value our culture places on freedom of thought I'm not sure we ever would have had a gay rights movement.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on February 11, 2013 at 5:55 PM · Report this
Puty 30
Someone send this hero some goddamn big gay bodyguards. See how the fake Christian cowards handle that.
Posted by Puty on February 11, 2013 at 6:01 PM · Report this
Puty 31
Actually, that's small potatoes thinking. Send this hero some goddamn fucking huge gay lawyers. Fake Christian cowards don't respect polite, well-spoken opposition? Perhaps some excessive legal brutality is in order.
Posted by Puty on February 11, 2013 at 6:22 PM · Report this
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@28 Right wing christian asshats never seem to have much interest in understanding the views of people who disagree w/ them.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on February 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM · Report this
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ah, fuck off, Cato. Judge people based on their actions.
Posted by stilettov on February 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM · Report this
Reverend Tap 34
@29: If she was allowed to be there in the first place, it's not trespassing. Additionally, from the video it looks like the security people tried to grab her arm(s) BEFORE verbally requesting that she leave. That would be quite a stretch to justify under trespassing prevention. Knocking out someone's knees from under them when they don't even know you're there is pretty clear-cut assault, as well. I don't know Nevada law, but if charges were filed I would be shocked if the church won.

Freedom of speech and association are, indeed, important things. Be clear on what they are, though; rights that prevent the GOVERNMENT from restricting what we can or cannot say and with whom we can and cannot associate. Not directly applicable. Even casting a much broader net with interpretation of those rights, Baldock didn't do anything that could reasonably be interpreted as infringing on them. There is no right to never interact with people you disagree with, nor is there a right to not be exposed to things you find offensive. You seem to be taking the stance that respecting someone's right to think what they want means never challenging them on it or even presenting an alternate viewpoint, which I frankly find bizarre.
Posted by Reverend Tap http://www.libr8.org on February 12, 2013 at 3:15 AM · Report this
Reverend Tap 35
@13/14: Reducing large and diverse populations that you happen to have a personal disagreement with to little more than childish stereotypes, tarring them all with the brush of the worst of the lot, and using the image of the now-monolithic and loathsome group to publicly denounce them...nah, that's not Nazi-like at all. :P

I hope your glass house is more stone-proof than it looks from here.
Posted by Reverend Tap http://www.libr8.org on February 12, 2013 at 3:26 AM · Report this
Helix 36
Christians, assaulting people? I, for one, am shocked. Shocked!
Posted by Helix on February 12, 2013 at 8:10 AM · Report this
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@35: Actually that is Catholic Church tactics. Worked quite well during the crusades and such. In fact it worked so well that the NAZI party under Hitler didn't have to invent a single technique when they started using the big lie propaganda methods. So nope... Not Nazi-like at all. Merely church-like.

@34: Being fair to you requires me to acknowledge this post as a damn good one and spot on.
Posted by Romial on February 12, 2013 at 8:24 AM · Report this
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how fucked up is that? there's this little thing called freedom of speech, and all she's doing is citing facts and spreading love. I find it repulsive that church groups are allowed to protest the funerals of gay soldiers but an ally isn't allowed to have a few brief moments to speak. Sad.
Posted by Capt420 on February 12, 2013 at 10:28 AM · Report this

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