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Catherwood 1
I don't even want to THINK about what a "papal smear" is made of. Urgghhh.
Posted by Catherwood on February 12, 2013 at 5:19 PM · Report this
Every time I see his name, I always have to look twice, because the first time I always see Satan, not Sartain.
Posted by StuckInUtah on February 12, 2013 at 5:26 PM · Report this
sperifera 3
@2 - I know! Me too!
Posted by sperifera on February 12, 2013 at 5:34 PM · Report this
I though Seattle's "finest anti-gay, homo-obsessed bigot" was Kenneth Hutcherson, so much so, that when I read the headline, I assumed it was gonna be a post about Hutcherson praising ol' Joey Ratz. Guess that REALLY says alot about Sartain, hmmm.
Posted by CrystalWaters on February 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM · Report this
Me three!
Posted by originalcinner on February 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM · Report this
I would agree with your assessment. Hunthausen was, by far, one of our communities strongest allies. Ratzinger the Rottweiler persecuted him horribly and even stripped him of the ability to act without gettingapproval from a papal legate. Through it all Hunthausen stood up for what was right, even though he could have chosen silence.
Posted by Penaetis on February 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM · Report this
Cornichon 7
There's a scandal here somewhere that Joe Ratz is resigning to cover up.
Posted by Cornichon on February 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM · Report this
Unlike @1, I'm inspired to contemplation.

'Papal smear.' I'm going to use that one.
Posted by neverbeenthere on February 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM · Report this
Maladict's preferred successor is Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana, who is a homophobic bigot like only an African fundamentalist can be.

On the upside, the Prophecy of the Popes, supposedly written by St. Malachy and first published in 1595, has only one pope to go before "the end." The prophecy labels him "Peter the Roman," a name that Turkman already has at home thanks to his special training at the Vatican. If Turkman is elevated to the papacy, I have little doubt that the Roman Catholic Church will face a schism between liberals and conservatives that makes the Reformation look like a church picnic.
Posted by TechBear on February 12, 2013 at 7:12 PM · Report this
Note that Fr Ryan has been serving at St James, and stood up for Hunthausen. This likely cost him being Archbishop of Seattle. There are MANY very compassionate local Catholics, Fr Ryan included, who deserve far better Church leadership!
Posted by pat L on February 12, 2013 at 7:41 PM · Report this
The best thing compassionate local Catholics could do to show how much they deserve better leadership would be to form their own Church and leave Rome behind. Not that I entertain any hope of seeing that in my lifetime.
Posted by Calpete on February 12, 2013 at 7:45 PM · Report this
stonato 12
"Papal smear" just got another vote. I hope it wins.

As a drunken cradle to grave Catholic, Sartain is an asshat lackey. I mean that in the nicest possible way.
Posted by stonato on February 12, 2013 at 7:46 PM · Report this
It's not an allegation. It's a fact. The halloween missive is available online. He clearly asks bishops to participate in obstruction of justice by sending evidence of chile abuse to Vatican consulates. He should have been tried of conspiracy to commit child rape.
Posted by kinaidos on February 12, 2013 at 7:58 PM · Report this
I don't doubt Ratzinger's bigotry and his complicity in covering child rape, but I don't think it's appropriate to harp on his brief service in the Hitler Youth, since a lot of people were dragged into it involuntarily and there's no cause to doubt his claim that he was one of them. Focus on the real crimes for which there is evidence, please. You don't need to run afoul of Godwin's Law to point out what a huge douche he is.
Posted by I have always been... east coaster on February 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM · Report this
stonato 15
With all due respect, Niemöller's law trumps Godwin's law any day.
Posted by stonato on February 12, 2013 at 9:34 PM · Report this
BAM! @15 -- that just happened.
Posted by six shooter on February 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM · Report this
@15: that was a thousand kinds of awesome. Well done!
Posted by gnossos on February 12, 2013 at 9:57 PM · Report this
Wait a minute... Ratzinger was pope. The Bishops or whatever asked God to choose the next leader of the Church and God told them to pick the German.

Somewhere in the story some magic smoke appears in a chimney and viola, the Church has a new guy closer to God than any other living man.

So is Ratzinger saying that God was wrong when God told the Bishops or whatever to pick him?

You know why no other pope has resigned in 600 years? Because no other pope would insult the very fucking religion of which he's the head by pointing out that God made a mistake when God hired him.

Keep in mind, the Church and its Pope has suffered far worse scandals during the 600 years in which no other Pope resigned... you know, stuff like the birth of Rationalism, the Protestant Revolution, the conquest of the new world, etc.. etc..

As someone who knows some Catholics, I don't understand how they're not completely insulted right now.
Posted by six shooter on February 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 19
Am I the only one that first thought Dom was talking about Ken Hutcherson?
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on February 12, 2013 at 11:25 PM · Report this
Ballard Pimp 20
"Papal smear" hands down! And @14, nobody rags him for being in the Hitler Youth at 14. It was joining the Nazi Party at 18 and joining an anti-aircraft unit to shoot down Americans that raises hackles. The whole "Hitler Youth was mandatory" was brought up by Ratzo's apologists to distract from what he did as an adult.
Posted by Ballard Pimp on February 13, 2013 at 12:25 AM · Report this
blackhook 21
Archbishop Sa_ta_n isn't fooling anyone. Just like his buddy-in-arms, Pope Rat, he protests just a little too much about "The Gays". And just like Pope Rat's Nazi forebears, Sa_ta_n shoots the gays to prove he is not one of them.

He is the worst kind of hypocrite, hateful & homophobic, just like the other strange old buzzards that came before him ...Ted "Rent Boy" Haggard, George "Lifting My Luggage" Rekers, Larry "Wide Stance" Craig ...the list goes on.
Posted by blackhook on February 13, 2013 at 2:37 AM · Report this
Phoebe in Wallingford 22
@20: Yes, a former Hitler youth joins the Nazi party as young adult. And we can also recall a former leader of the as KKK well into his adulthood, but decades later became the Democratic Majority Leader of the United States Senate and served his state of West Virginia very well for several decades and his past bigoted transgressions were seldom talked about. However, Nazi is just such an exciting adjective to use that any stretch reason to squeeze it in seems to be fair game.
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on February 13, 2013 at 5:36 AM · Report this
If all the stupid stuff we do at 18 were held against us our entire lives, we'd none of us be qualified to hold an opinion on anything.

Germany was a totalitarian state. It also had a military draft. Only a very, very few had the courage to do anything to oppose the Nazis from within. Of the rest, some were enthusiastic supporters while most just kept their heads down, as would most of the people posting here, if fascism were to come to the USA.

We rightly celebrate the first group. We abhor the second. The third were the everyday people like ourselves.

His childhood obviously had an effect on him. Benedict was widely respected by Jewish religious and political leaders alike for his willingness to reach out to them. If anyone had reason to distrust him on the basis of his former associations, they did. The fact that they instead embraced him settles the question as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by Corydon on February 13, 2013 at 5:55 AM · Report this
If we're holding a man to the actions and beliefs of the organization of which he was a part, I believe calling him a Nazi kind-of waters down the real slur on his name: he was a Bishop and a Pope.

If the all history's bishops and popes got together in hell with Hitler and had an evil-off, Hitler doesn't make it past the first round.
Posted by six shooter on February 13, 2013 at 8:01 AM · Report this
If we do horrid stuff in our youth and then continue to do the same horrid stuff then we get blamed for our youth. If we turn from those wicked ways then it gets shrugged off.
Posted by SIKET on February 13, 2013 at 8:03 AM · Report this
@23, the man hates gays. He hates women. He hates muslims. And probably Jews too. The man's a fucking nazi, and would have been even if he hadn't come from Nazi Germany.
Posted by GermanSausage on February 13, 2013 at 8:40 AM · Report this
@23, Ratzinger was not widely respected by Jews when he reinstituted the mass language that specified Jews should be converted, and when he reinstated the priest who denied the Holocaust. It wasn't his young adulthood that was the problem; it was his actions as Pope.
Posted by sarah70 on February 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 28
22, C'mon Phoebe. This isn't Godwin's Law here. He was an *actual* Nazi, regalia & everything. And you'll have to do far better than that to convince me his attitudes have changed. Sure, he's not advocating full-scale destruction of the Jewish race, because that's not feasible. But as 27 points out, his actions don't speak loudly that he's renounced his Nazi past in his heart of hearts.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on February 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM · Report this
This is an original poem

Rot in Hell Buttpackers

If your a queer, you take it in the rear;
We think your sick because you have poop on your di--;
AIDS was a blessing from God;
For misdirecting the location of your rod;
The only good faggots;
Are food for maggots;
So go find a corner and die;
I assure you no one will cry.
Posted by FaggotHater on February 14, 2013 at 3:51 PM · Report this
lolorhone 30
@29: AIDS as divine retribution is a 30 year-old insult. Dirty limericks are significantly older than that. If your going to be an asshole, try to be a CONTEMPORARY asshole. Otherwise, people just fall asleep, you know?
Posted by lolorhone on February 16, 2013 at 12:10 AM · Report this

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