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Someone who goes to this needs to report back on what a "brand new dance" is like. Is it a choiographed line dance of some sort? A new varient on the waltz?
Posted by wingedkat on February 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM · Report this
Lissa 2
DJ Booberry is spinning!
Posted by Lissa on February 14, 2013 at 1:50 PM · Report this
How does "demanding" the end to any violent crime result in anything less than a circlejerk?

I don't understand why rape is treated like something you can shout down. Is the idea that eventually all of the fucked-up individuals who would ordinarily rape people will go "gee, I am way too against the mainstream with this whole getting drunk girls into my bedroom business?" Or is it just to make victims and advocates feel like they're doing something more than being upset?
Posted by The CHZA on February 14, 2013 at 1:53 PM · Report this
#3 - the latter
Posted by catsnbanjos on February 14, 2013 at 2:05 PM · Report this
yelahneb 5
@3 let's hear your alternate plan - we're on the edge of our seats.
Posted by yelahneb on February 14, 2013 at 2:07 PM · Report this
@5 oh not that crap again. This movie sucks - you make a better movie. This drawing sucks - you make a better drawing. If that's the best you can come up with as a counter then you've more or less admitted this isn't going to accomplish anything in the manner it's trying to posture.

Go ahead and rally together but please remove your heads from your asses before you think you're actually going to influence anything to reduce rapes.
Posted by The CHZA on February 14, 2013 at 2:26 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 8
This strategy worked to reduce drunk driving. Why wouldn't rallying against rape work too?

It used to be drunk drivers didn't think of themselves as criminals, like murderers and thieves. They thought that they weren't "really" drunk. And everybody does it, right? And law enforcement's attitude changed: they changed how they enforced the law. It wasn't just a matter of drunk driving already being illegal, or already having stiff penalties. Cops and prosecutors and judges needed to change their attitudes about drunk driving.

Rape is very similar. Oh that wasn't rape, they think. Not "rape rape". And don't we all kind of do it? People make excuses for rapists. They blame the victims, directly, indirectly, in large ways and small.

We've come a long way changing how everyone thinks about drunk driving, and how we think about homophobic bullying, and all sorts of things. Why not rape too?
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn on February 14, 2013 at 2:46 PM · Report this
yelahneb 9
@6 Feel free to come to the rally today and speak your mind, exactly in the manner you're doing now.
Posted by yelahneb on February 14, 2013 at 3:02 PM · Report this
Former Lurker 11
Oh joy, another rally in the rain....
Posted by Former Lurker on February 14, 2013 at 3:18 PM · Report this
@9 get back to me when you have an actual rebuttal.
Posted by The CHZA on February 14, 2013 at 5:03 PM · Report this
aureolaborealis 15
@10: So ... is being "rapeophobic" a bad thing?
Posted by aureolaborealis on February 14, 2013 at 9:45 PM · Report this
GeneStoner 17
Anyone want to sign my petition against Murder?

It's over 1 trillion strong...

Much a do about nothing. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by GeneStoner on February 15, 2013 at 9:57 AM · Report this
#3, that's a pretty messed up thing to say. It may not mean anything to you, or not seem like a significant act in America, but in developing countries women and survivors of rape coming together to say *anything*, let alone demanding respect, are putting themselves in harm's way on several different levels. In places where it's not safe, ever, to be a woman. And they get to see their sisters and brothers in other countries standing in solidarity.

That's really not cool enough for you?

How about this: there probably ARE potential rapists growing up today amid people like YOU, who make rape seem inevitable, customary. And who ridicule people who have come together to celebrate their own survival of harm and to comfort each other. Rape, slut-shaming and blaming the target are so hard-wired in world society that yes. It's likely that enough people screaming "UNACCEPTABLE!!" will influence large groups of people and lawmakers over time and thereby push acts against women more and more to the fringes of unacceptability. Fewer people will even consider it an option.

But why am I giving you activism 101 - you're not even listening, are you? You keep shouting on here, and I'll go find people who aren't trying to shove THEIR heads up other folks' asses to talk to.
Posted by CeriseBeastie on February 15, 2013 at 1:13 PM · Report this
@18 >people like YOU, who make rape seem inevitable, customary.

Go fuck yourself. Thinking this is a waste of time has nothing to do with the position you're trying to associate me with.
Posted by The CHZA on February 15, 2013 at 2:42 PM · Report this
Self=well fucked. Thanks for the idea. Feeling much better. Your implication is that it's a waste of anyone's time, not just your own. Falling back with "hey, I'm neutral!" after pissing on participants is laaaaame.
Posted by CeriseBeastie on February 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM · Report this

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