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Indiana Republicans Insist Women Seeking Abortions Need to Be Vaginally Probed *Twice* For Their Own Good
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My favorite comment was from Sue Swayze, who runs the "right to life" org that is loving this bill. It was something along the lines of "I had all my babies vaginally. So, I wouldn't mind having a big probe in me." No block quotes because not her exact wording. But, I love it when right to lifers admit their va-jay-jay is a giant blown-out hallway to throw hot dogs down.
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Nationwide polls are showing strong, increasing dislike of the republican party, its leaders, and their policies.
And they still don't get the hint.
They're legislating themselves into oblivion.
And they still don't get the hint.
They're legislating themselves into oblivion.
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The pills they're fighting against don't cause abortion, they block contraception:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/02/…
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/02/…
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I refuse to be examined by male gynecologists for the same reason I oppose men legislating my reproductive rights: they have zero ability to emphathize with what it's like and what it means to have a woman's body. Too bad we can't mandate some legislation for them to be anally probed for no valid medical reason so they can at least have some respect for what we go through.
And don't take anyone's shit about your writeups, Cienna. 1 in 3 women in the world will be raped in their lifetime. Obviously we need as much reporting and awareness on the issue as possible, so lawmakers may someday start caring more about protecting women from sexual assault than about harassing them for exercising their reproductive rights.
And don't take anyone's shit about your writeups, Cienna. 1 in 3 women in the world will be raped in their lifetime. Obviously we need as much reporting and awareness on the issue as possible, so lawmakers may someday start caring more about protecting women from sexual assault than about harassing them for exercising their reproductive rights.
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the strategy is to make access as unpleasant and difficult as possible, because they can't ban abortion outright. it seems to be working very well.
soon whether one can access abortion services will be entirely dependent on whether the state legislature is R or D. and if it's close, it's defacto R.
soon whether one can access abortion services will be entirely dependent on whether the state legislature is R or D. and if it's close, it's defacto R.
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Something I don't get is why health care professionals (like physicians!) aren't standing up en masse and saying "don't fucking tell me how to do my job, legislators, I'M the doctor here." I mean, do they ENJOY being told what to do by a group of old, white men, most of whom have absolutely zero medical knowledge whatsoever?
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@7,
The morning after pill doesn't cause abortions, that's true, but there is a pill that causes abortion (RU486). Isn't that what this law is legislating? Or are the Republicans even stupider than I give them credit for?
The morning after pill doesn't cause abortions, that's true, but there is a pill that causes abortion (RU486). Isn't that what this law is legislating? Or are the Republicans even stupider than I give them credit for?
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@11 The AMA hasn't been an altruistic group for quite some time. They dug in their heels some 40 years ago to fight against universal health care, essentially declaring that they were in it for the money. The insurance, legal and pharmaceutical industries took notice, and are the ones raking in today's health care cash. Now, health care providers are in "Whatever pays the bills and doesn't get me sued" mode.
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They should make it three, just like the Trinity. One rape for the Father another rape for the Son and another forced penetration by the Holy Spirit
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Also, apparently in Arkansas they are working on passing a bill that would restrict abortions to the moment a heartbeat could be heard, which is at about 12 weeks. It has a good chance of passing, even though SCOTUS has declared this unconstitutional already. SCOTUS has mandated that it is fetus viability outside the womb that is the tipping point. So they will pass a bill that will then cost tax payer money to fight, all the way back to the Supreme Court.
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Here's what I don't get: these conservative state legislators are not smart enough to dream up the plethora of chillingly baroque and bureaucratically complex bills that are popping up on a regular basis.
They're obviously being generated by evil-genius think tanks (or religious city-states). The wellsprings need to be identified and relentlessly publicized.
Moreover, when these constructs do become law, they're so obviously sick and twisted as to be vulnerable to legal challenge—but only with years of effort and lots of money. This is a win-win for the cons; they get to suck some of the lifeblood out of many other movements to protect peoples' civil rights and well-being, and they gain a lot of control over women in the meantime.
They're obviously being generated by evil-genius think tanks (or religious city-states). The wellsprings need to be identified and relentlessly publicized.
Moreover, when these constructs do become law, they're so obviously sick and twisted as to be vulnerable to legal challenge—but only with years of effort and lots of money. This is a win-win for the cons; they get to suck some of the lifeblood out of many other movements to protect peoples' civil rights and well-being, and they gain a lot of control over women in the meantime.
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"Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?"
-George Carlin
also,
"People say life begins at conception, I say life began about a billion years ago and it's a continuous process.
You can go back further than that- what about the carbon atoms, heh? Life could not exist without carbon. So is it just possible that maybe we shouldn't be burning all of this coal?"
-George Carlin
also,
"People say life begins at conception, I say life began about a billion years ago and it's a continuous process.
You can go back further than that- what about the carbon atoms, heh? Life could not exist without carbon. So is it just possible that maybe we shouldn't be burning all of this coal?"
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@16 I'm not sure about this bill, but many right wing bills including anti-abortion bills are written by ALEC – American Legislative Exchange Council.
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I can buy those pills over the border or online. That is what this bill will lead to: more women having abortions not under a doctor's supervision.
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"two ultrasounds—before and after the abortion."
Until I read this, I assumed they'd both be done at once, DP-style.
Until I read this, I assumed they'd both be done at once, DP-style.
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@1:
It has very little to do with their vaginae, and a whole lot to do with ensuring that women remain subservient to their patriarchal lords and masters, just like the Bible says they should.
It has very little to do with their vaginae, and a whole lot to do with ensuring that women remain subservient to their patriarchal lords and masters, just like the Bible says they should.
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#17 - you're posthumously editing George Carlin in order to be politically correct. He said "women", not "people".
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I've had numerous trans-vaginal ultrasounds and they are damn uncomfortable. One of the not-so-uncomfortable ones I had was a medically necessary pre-abortion exam because, as a lucky Canadian living in a major urban center, I was able to book my abortion within a week of discovering I was pregnant and they couldn't successfully image the pregnancy externally. Early abortions are safer and less invasive, but do require trans-vaginal ultrasound if the exterior pelvic ultrasound is unable to image the gestational sac.
I really don't see how it's a legislators job or right to force doctors to perform exams or procedures that they deem medically unnecessary. Next thing you know they're going to require women seeking abortion services to report to their Governor's office and submit to medically unnecessary breast exams performed by the Governor's staff.
I'd like to see them try to pass legislation requiring men seeking vasectomies to submit to before-and-after prostate exams and deep urethral swabbing (for their own good, of course).
I really don't see how it's a legislators job or right to force doctors to perform exams or procedures that they deem medically unnecessary. Next thing you know they're going to require women seeking abortion services to report to their Governor's office and submit to medically unnecessary breast exams performed by the Governor's staff.
I'd like to see them try to pass legislation requiring men seeking vasectomies to submit to before-and-after prostate exams and deep urethral swabbing (for their own good, of course).
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@2 So Sue Swayze likes a big probe huh? Size queens imposing their personal sexual priorities on hapless pregnant teens is not a public service, and someone should tell her so. Possibly by mailing her a realistic life size replica of a horse cock, which she can add to her at-home medical fetish gear collection. With a nice note attached, kindly asking her to direct her sexual frustration to FetLife rather than pro-life.
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Well if one follows Ms Swayze's logic the mothers of the men who sponsor this bill should not have a problem with anyone telling their sons to go f#ck their mothers because that's where they came from.
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I have too low an opinion of the GOP for this to come as a surprise. This sort of monstrous, misogynistic behavior is exactly what I expect, especially in flyover country.
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Boy, it's going to be pretty easy to pin the "war on women" label on them come 2014.
Also, they're going to get killed on the Latino vote. I actually heard a Republican in Congress explain out loud that he didn't want to give green cards to illegal aliens, because that would let them work anywhere, so then who would do all of the really shitty jobs?
Also, they're going to get killed on the Latino vote. I actually heard a Republican in Congress explain out loud that he didn't want to give green cards to illegal aliens, because that would let them work anywhere, so then who would do all of the really shitty jobs?
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Now that women are "allowed" into combat, and guns are "okay" everywhere on Earth,
can we just open fire, then, on the GOP and RC Church? They all love their guns and the 2nd Amendment so much, right?
CONGRETH THEATHON!!!
POPE THEATHON!!!!!
WEPUBLICAN THEATHON!!!!
Huh huh huh huh huh huh huhhhh.......
can we just open fire, then, on the GOP and RC Church? They all love their guns and the 2nd Amendment so much, right?
CONGRETH THEATHON!!!
POPE THEATHON!!!!!
WEPUBLICAN THEATHON!!!!
Huh huh huh huh huh huh huhhhh.......
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@3 Ugurtha Forka: Here's hoping the GOP and the RC Church become extinct, and soon.
@21: Go back to your Pre-moronic cave and fossilize there.
@21: Go back to your Pre-moronic cave and fossilize there.
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@32: You meant 22 the unpleasant catsnbanjos, yes? It seems that while George Carlin can evolve, poor catsnbanjos, not so much.
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This inexcusably fucked up shit is all because the Indiana GOP fucksticks pushing this can't get laid, and no woman of sound mind will go to bed with any of them.
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@26: Thank you for sharing!!!! If George Carlin was running the U.S., most women could sleep a lot better at night!
@33 Lissa: @21's post read to me like chauvinistic male-edited "because the bible says so" bullshit.
@24 & @26 are right: George Carlin does say "people", not "women"
in the clip about abortion.
@33 Lissa: @21's post read to me like chauvinistic male-edited "because the bible says so" bullshit.
@24 & @26 are right: George Carlin does say "people", not "women"
in the clip about abortion.
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