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Have a little goddamn sympathy, my gosh.
Posted by Sean O. on June 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM · Report this
seatackled 3
In lighter news, a gun accidentally goes off in someone's hand when he pulls the trigger at a gun show and 10 people are injured, with no dead children.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/06/te…
Posted by seatackled on June 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 4
@1: "One death is a tragedy, a thousand deaths is a statistic." - Josef Stalin

Posted by Max Solomon on June 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM · Report this
Wait, seriously? 5
Goldy, you are a disgusting ghoul.
Posted by Wait, seriously? on June 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 6
Could be worse. Could have been an actress from the Walking Dead or the Vampire Diaries.

They're insane.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on June 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM · Report this
COMTE 7
@5:

But the fact that children keep killing themselves and other children, while the pro-gun manufacturing zealots ignore all these tragic daily occurrences because they don't fit into their "guns are good - ALWAYS" worldview ISN'T ghoulish?
Posted by COMTE on June 7, 2013 at 1:21 PM · Report this
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It's time for another episode of EVERYONE'S favorite game show
STRANGER TROLLING BINGO!

Today's winning picks are:

Gun nuts!
Thee Olde Seconde Amendmente!
Suicide!
Assault weapons!
Apples and oranges!
You just do not care about X dead Y's!
Tautological tautologies!
Picking cherries!
I don't want to ban all guns but ... !
The NRA!

Beat a straw man for big bonus points!
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on June 7, 2013 at 1:27 PM · Report this
raindrop 9
@7: Actually, it's more ghoulish to use every gun tragedy to advance an agenda.
Posted by raindrop on June 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM · Report this
Goldy 10
@9 Not if that agenda is reducing the number of gun tragedies.

The gun industry and the NRA are promoting the message that keeping a gun in your house or on your person for personal safety makes you and your family safer. And I am simply calling attention to the many, many examples of how that is untrue.

I'd prefer not to have to do these posts, but it's no more ghoulish than the tactics of anti-smoking and safe-driving campaigns. And if that's what it takes, that's what it takes.
Posted by Goldy on June 7, 2013 at 1:40 PM · Report this
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1 & 5: The sympathy here is for the victim, and the potential future victims. When the NRA is all about more guns, and that all law-abiding gun owners are responsible people, it's valuable to look at the flip side.

People make mistakes with guns, and kids die. We cannot deny that. So, what can we do to mitigate this?
Posted by clashfan on June 7, 2013 at 1:43 PM · Report this
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What can we do to mitigate this? We can work to create a different gun culture in this country, one where guns are kept locked up when not in the immediate possession of sober, law-abiding adults.

Almost every one of these needless tragedies has been caused by careless and/or foolish gun-owners who leave their firearms laying around, ready to fall into the wrong hands.

If Nancy Lanza had kept her firearms locked up, her son Adam would not have had such easy access to take them and kill all those schoolchildren in Newtown. Same sad story can be told about most of the other tragic killings.

Keep Your Guns Locked Up!!!!!
Posted by Citizen R on June 7, 2013 at 2:01 PM · Report this
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@10
"The gun industry and the NRA are promoting the message that keeping a gun in your house or on your person for personal safety makes you and your family safer."

No.
You are the only one claiming that a gun makes you "safer".
And even you are only doing it "sarcastically" so that you can beat that straw man.

As has been pointed out to you previously:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
"There is a difference between arguing the blanket statement that guns make us safer and arguing that guns can be used to defend one's self against death, serious bodily harm or tyranny."

But no matter how many times that is pointed out to you you will continue to ignore it.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on June 7, 2013 at 2:12 PM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 14
Oh please, eyeroll at f.u. for the bullshit post of the day.

Remember a few months ago when I noted that the magazine published by the NRA included, at the very front, a column noting all the latest letters written in by gun owners claiming they used their gun to thwart a crime, hence keeping they and their family safe.

Sure sounds like the NRA is pushing that agenda.

Coupled with all the gun owners that need a gun to feel safe- that didn't come from nowhere.

Go peddle your bullshit somewhere else, f.u.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on June 7, 2013 at 2:20 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 15
@10
Yes David you care soooo much about gun safety that you publish an article with a cartoon of children pointing firearms at themselves and eachother. Way to show safe firearms handeling.

Let's not forget that the "evil" NRA has been teaching gun safety for around 150 years.

Anyway Guns certainly made this resident safer:

Brad Nance, 41, of Tupelo, was shot and killed early this morning while in the backyard of a house on Springdale Drive in Tupelo.
Police say the homeowner was acting in self defense when he shot Nance who police say the homeowner did not know or recognize.
http://djournal.com/view/full_story/2281…

And this man:
Early Sunday morning, an alleged intruder was shot to death at a Warner Robins home.

That's according to a news release from the Warner Robins Police Department.

Ronald Lewis Burnett, 36, was found by officers unconscious and lying on the ground outside the house at 205 Thomas Boulevard.

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local/article…

Posted by Cascadian Bacon on June 7, 2013 at 2:20 PM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 16
And p.s., as someone else noted, that NRA magazine column is basically the Penthouse Forum of gun porn for gun nuts.

And likely just as truthful.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on June 7, 2013 at 2:22 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 17
@14
Those are not letters they are news articles linked to a source, but reading comprehension and logical thinking have never been your strong points.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on June 7, 2013 at 2:23 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 18
And nobody has to sit here and feel powerless and depressed. Do something:

http://wagunresponsibility.org/

Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on June 7, 2013 at 2:27 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 19
@15

The NRA has been failing at teaching gun safety for 150 years. That right there is all the proof we need that guns don't make you safer. And education isn't a fix for the real problem of gun accidents, gun suicide, or gun theft by criminals. The problem is the guns themselves, and the solution is to get rid of the problem.

Or consider abject failure the NRA's "Eddie Eagle" program for kids -- it actually makes kids more likely to pick up a gun and pull the trigger.

Failure is a teacher, Five Large. Failure is a teacher.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on June 7, 2013 at 2:32 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 20
@19

Oh hey look you are spouting uneducated bullshit about a subject you know nothing about again, suprise suprise.

Tell us more about how guns are baaaaadddd and we need to get rid of them.

Who is going to be confiscating them from the citizens? Certainly not a sniviling coward like yourself, like all colectivist you will want someone else to do your dangerous dirtywork you fascist piece of shit.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on June 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM · Report this
r.chops 21
@15:
It appears the Tupelo man was a drunk neighbor who stumbled into the wrong yard.
Capital offense.
Posted by r.chops on June 7, 2013 at 2:54 PM · Report this
blip 22
@13 & @15, You guys should compare notes. It looks like at least one of you has gone off-script.
Posted by blip on June 7, 2013 at 3:12 PM · Report this
COMTE 23
"Oh hey look you are spouting uneducated bullshit about a subject you know nothing about again, suprise suprise."

Well, that's certainly never stopped YOU from shooting your ignorant mouth off time and again, C.B.

"Tell us more about how guns are baaaaadddd and we need to get rid of them."

Which is entirely the point of posts like this. Or would you care to argue that these unfortunate, and completely avoidable tragedies are just something we have to accept, because, you know - FREEDOMZ!

"Who is going to be confiscating them from the citizens? Certainly not a sniviling (sic) coward like yourself, like all colectivist (sic) you will want someone else to do your dangerous dirtywork (sic) you fascist piece of shit."

And seriously, you're going to call @19 a collectivist AND a fascist in the same sentence? You DO realize that from a philosophical and political perspective they're polar opposites of each other, yes? Meaning, it's literally impossible to be both at the same time, yes? From which we may conclude that as usual you are once again spouting uneducated bullshit about a subject you know nothing about.

And the great circle keeps on spinning...
Posted by COMTE on June 7, 2013 at 4:33 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 25
@15: funny, i look at that 1st story and think the gun made him into a trigger-happy manslaughterer whose fear has been stoked by sensationalized tales of "home invasions" that rarely happen. he's going to have nightmares & guilt the rest of his life for killing a drunk.

"he advanced on me!" "think what might have happened to my PROPERTY!" "i had 2 children in the home!" whatever you say, patriot. case dismissed.

i wager rock salt would have worked just as well.

Posted by Max Solomon on June 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM · Report this
COMTE 26
@25:

Or maybe a simple: "Go home neighbor - you're DRUNK!"
Posted by COMTE on June 7, 2013 at 5:20 PM · Report this
merry 27
Hey, what's wrong with learning martial arts, if you're that concerned about your personal safety? Wouldn't that be better, really and truly taking responsibility for your own safety and having to put forth the time and effort to learn an actual skill, rather than just picking up a piece of deadly hardware so that you can fling hot lead at anyone who scares you (and who might turn out to be just a, you know, drunk neighbor)?

I mean, if you train your body to be the defensive weapon you feel you need, wouldn't that be a lot safer for any kids you may happen to live with? Kinda hard for a toddler to judo-chop itself accidentally with daddy's hand, y'know?

Guns: the go-to choice of the lazy AND fearful.
Posted by merry on June 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 28

@23
You fail to realize that fascism involves one trading his liberty to the state for the common good based along a strong racial or national identity. Now this may not be Alexander Bergman's voluntarist horizontal collectivism (which I am ok with) but it is a form of collectivism all the same. It is like saying that fascism and communism are "polar opposites" when the fact is that both result in a totalitarian soul crushing centralized state.

Posted by Cascadian Bacon on June 7, 2013 at 6:14 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 29
@27
Yes because we should live in a world where the strong can easily dominate the week. The old, frail, and small should be physically dominated by others because they are unable to effectively fight hand to hand.

Practical shooting is a martial art, perhaps the most effective. There is nothing wrong with learning a hand to hand martial art, I have some training in American Boxing, Kenpo, and police combatives. However The handgun or carbine is far more effective if I have to face a larger, meaner, better trained, armed or multiple attackers. Personally it sounds like you have never had to be in a fight.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on June 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM · Report this
merry 30
Bacon, a major reason that people learn martial arts in the first place is because they are NOT so strong, and they still need to live safely in the world. It's the very reason that women take karate classes, so they can take an active role in their own personal safety against male attackers who are bigger and stronger than they are. FYI, Bruce Lee wasn't a great big dude.

You are, once again, yet once again, spouting off about things you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. You're not fooling anybody, dude.

You are lazy AND fearful. You ARE the problem.
Posted by merry on June 7, 2013 at 6:51 PM · Report this
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NEWS FLASH: In other news, 100 million innocent people were murdered by socialist and communist governments that first took their gun rights away, before they slaughtered them. Also, the same international central bankers that caused most of this mayhem (lending money to govts in order to collect the interest) are still in control of the world.

You do know your world history, do you not?
Posted by Siddha on June 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 32
@30
There is no substitute for situational awarness and avoiding the fight in the first place. But saying martial arts taught from some stip mall sensai will match firearms training is not only stupid, but dangerously insane.
How did Bruce Lee die?

Like I said before it sounds like you don't have much real world fighting experience.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on June 7, 2013 at 9:27 PM · Report this
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@32 Watch, out guys, CB is gonna tell us just how deadly he is!

How many unarmed black kids have you killed today, CB?
Posted by FonsieScheme on June 8, 2013 at 1:49 AM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 34
@Bacon: No, those NRA gun-porn posts are as luridly written as possible (just like Penthouse Forum posts) to make guns look great.

Do note the backstory behind the guy murdering another guy merely for being in his backyard. Another gun nut murdering someone solely for being drunk, confused, and lost.

According to Penthou-, er, the NRA gun porn, it was a brave citizen protecting his castle from scary and possibly armed intruders. It always is, according to the NRA.

Yet the truth is often different, as we are seeing. And the truth includes innocent people being killed, often for doing nothing wrong.

Take, for example, this story that just came out- a gun nut with an anger-management problem shot his neighbor, fired some more random shots around the neighborhood, then drove away and killed himself.

There's one that's not gonna appear in the NRA gun porn column. There's no way to paint that awful tragedy with the 'guns make us safer' paintbrush, the paintbrush spattered in the blood of innocent people.

Here's the story:
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Po…

Posted by Dr_Awesome on June 8, 2013 at 8:36 AM · Report this
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I'm so glad Goldy posts about the other common ways kids are killed way more often than guns, like medical mistakes and swimming pools.

Oh wait...
Posted by delbert on June 8, 2013 at 8:38 AM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 36
@35 Please look up 'false equivalency'.

When you have finished, please look up all the laws, building codes, municipal regulations, and other safety measures enacted to protect kids (and adults) from the dangers of medical mistakes, swimming pools, cars, motorcycles, airplanes, toys, foodstuffs, alcoholic beverages, and other things that are far more regulated than guns.

Then ask yourself if it's just far too much work to apply some smart regulations, codes, laws, and safety measures to gun ownership as well.

Then just go punch yourself in the goddamn face for being so goddamn stupid.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on June 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM · Report this
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@36 are the 18,000+ gun laws already on the books not enough for your fascist ass?

Gun control: It's not about guns, it's about control.
Posted by delbert on June 8, 2013 at 10:24 AM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 38
@37 Eighteen thousand? Really? Citation, please.

Followed by your best effort st an explanation of Why They Aren't Fuckin' Working. You will be graded on spelling and grammar.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on June 8, 2013 at 5:41 PM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 39
Hmph. Looks like you flunked spelling and grammar.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on June 8, 2013 at 6:06 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 40
@34
Oh so you don’t like the way that the blurbs related to news articles are written.

I guess I would be correct in inferring that you dislike the first amendment as much as the second, and we all know how your dear leader and president feels about the fourth and fifth.

Looks like you are a typical little filthy fucking civil rights denying fascist.

Try that label on for size because it looks like it fits.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on June 8, 2013 at 7:35 PM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 41
@Bacon-

Really? You got all that from just me pointing out the truth of one of your gun-porn snuff stories?

Man, you are wack. Tell us again how we are to differentiate between the mythical 'good-guys-with-guns' and the kooks with anger management problems, a shaky grasp of reality, and an inferiority complex.

So that we can predict which kooks with guns are gonna go postal and slaughter innocent people some day.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on June 8, 2013 at 11:04 PM · Report this
Clara T 42
The only thing ghoulish about these posts are the irrational gun humpers telling us how we should be looking the other way, you know, out of respect (for their precious bang bang freedom sticks).
Posted by Clara T on June 9, 2013 at 8:38 AM · Report this

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