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Pope Peabrain 1
Um... they don't want an open ended lawsuit?
Posted by Pope Peabrain on June 7, 2013 at 2:00 PM · Report this
Chip 2
It sounds an awful lot like PRISM is an internal codename for a relationship-based program within the NSA.

"PRISM Collection" on that chart could very well mean that the NSA has a data retrieval policy with the company in question, and not any special backdoor data collection mechanism. This seems especially likely given how cagey the company press releases have been.
Posted by Chip on June 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM · Report this
delirian 3
Key words and tricky phrases. They haven't heard of the government keyword 'PRISM'. They also deny "direct access" which is what every company has said. My guess is that the government said they couldn't comment in general (it being Top Secret and all), but that they could say that "direct access" wasn't granted, with the definition of "direct access" being that the government didn't have complete access and control of their servers. This doesn't mean that the government wasn't running software on their servers or that the company was piping information to government servers. Essentially, these companies are lying to our faces by twisting words but are being covered by the government. And they know that even if they do illegal things that the government will pass a retroactive immunity bill if problems arise.

So, fuck Google and everybody else. They should have fought this and leaked it at the start, but they didn't have the balls to do so.
Posted by delirian on June 7, 2013 at 2:14 PM · Report this
4
The first rule of PRISM is don't talk about PRISM.
Posted by Proteus on June 7, 2013 at 2:22 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 5
Google is lying.

And they know it.

"first, do evil"
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on June 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM · Report this
treacle 6
I'm fairly confident that the NSA has it's people deeply inside Microsoft, Google, and Facebook already. No need for a compromising and pesky "formal arrangement".
Posted by treacle on June 7, 2013 at 3:24 PM · Report this
Original Andrew 7
That's exactly what you'd expect them to say. Clearly, THEY'RE IN ON IT!
Posted by Original Andrew on June 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM · Report this
8
So, if Zuckerberg did not know about prism, then what is this from august 2012 ?

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/201…

Posted by BarbaricFellow on June 7, 2013 at 4:21 PM · Report this
9
Something wrong with link.

Google "Facebook Tackles (Really) Big Data With ‘Project Prism"
Posted by BarbaricFellow on June 7, 2013 at 4:25 PM · Report this
sirkowski 10
Yeah, the British media wouldn't just make shit up for sensationalism...
Posted by sirkowski http://www.missdynamite.com on June 8, 2013 at 12:08 AM · Report this
Will in Seattle 11
@10 or ... you are very naive and have no idea how many people hold Top Secret clearances in America today. And why.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on June 8, 2013 at 12:55 AM · Report this
Dr. Z 12
10: I suggest you read a book from 1982 called The Puzzle Palace about the NSA, or No Such Agency.

PRISM isn't new. It surfaced briefly a couple of years after 9/11 headed by none other than Admiral Poindexter, a central figure in the Reagan era Iran Contra arms-for-hostages scandal. Poindexter made the mistake of designing a logo for the program that featured a single enormous all-seeing eye. When the media got wind the program became public, a no-no at the publicity-shy NSA. Congress held hearings, the public was lulled into thinking that right prevailed and the program had been disbanded, but meanwhile it continued on under the new name PRISM.
Posted by Dr. Z on June 8, 2013 at 4:31 AM · Report this
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I think what we are seeing is a public fight between the CIA and the NSA.

the cia own the media - literally they hav,e agents or assets in all newsrooms. They also have acquired several corporations like ABC,Disney etc. do a little googling if you doubt it.

so why would the CIA media leak the NSA's big secret? PRISM must have been collecting data on the CIA, so the CIA had to piss all over it and fast. IF what the CIA has been up to over the last 65 odd years ever came to light it would be a pale shadow of this surviellance fiasco.

The CIA is very worried about something and so it leaked PRISM to the Guardian and then it echoed it over its vast MSM empire.

And Obama is just a tool in the middle that will get hung out to dry and the CIA will never have a hint of implication in this political suicide.
Posted by Google MyFacebookSpace on June 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM · Report this
sirkowski 14
@11, 12 I'm not saying PRISM doesn't exist. I'm saying the level of paranoia and fear mongering from Glenn greenwald and The Guardian is borderline Alex Jones craziness.

Case in point, see #13.
Posted by sirkowski http://www.missdynamite.com on June 8, 2013 at 2:25 PM · Report this
Karlheinz Arschbomber 15
“There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment,” George Orwell wrote in “1984.” “How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to.”
Posted by Karlheinz Arschbomber http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arschbombe on June 9, 2013 at 12:20 AM · Report this

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