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Reverse Polarity 1
Dear Michael Wells,

You are an idiot.

Sincerely,

All the people who love the unique culture and flavor of the "underutilized" properties on the hill, and couldn't give a flying shit about aligning with corridor retailer's target customers.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on June 7, 2013 at 3:03 PM · Report this
balderdash 2
Wow. If at this point you STILL think our anti-panhandling laws aren't strict enough, you might as well just go ahead and own up to the fact that you just want to legalize hunting the homeless for sport.

Anyway, seriously, downtown is already a boring, sterile mall. Why do we need another one next door?

I mean, is this Wells is a real guy?

Are you sure he's not a Terminator?
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on June 7, 2013 at 3:09 PM · Report this
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what a stupid fuck.
Posted by Adrian Ryan on June 7, 2013 at 3:13 PM · Report this
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@ 2 How are they strict the Burgess plan did not pass?

But I agree with Dominic on the don't turn Cap Hill into a shopping mall part.
Posted by Seattle14 on June 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 5
You mean it isn't a shopping mall?
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on June 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM · Report this
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I think Michael Wells is a pseudonym for Recep Tayyip Erdoğan... he'll be calling for the development of Cal Anderson Park in 3, 2, ....
Posted by Pol Pot on June 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM · Report this
jseattle 8
leakage
Posted by jseattle http://capitolhillseattle.com on June 7, 2013 at 3:30 PM · Report this
Eastpike 10
Yes, apparently there is a small amount of florist leakage.
Posted by Eastpike on June 7, 2013 at 3:41 PM · Report this
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Um, what's up with the vitriol Dom? And commenters - Michael Wells is the former owner of Bailey Coy Books on Broadway, and has been a great leader of the Cap Hill Chamber. The report looks a little corporate, and I agree we want to keep Capitol Hill weird and full of unique small businesses, but Wells isn't the enemy here, he's a good dude. Can't believe we're vilifying a longtime community activist, small business owner, and good guy. Take a breath and find out who you're talking about before you attempt to destroy the reputation of someone you don't know. I disagree with the report's conclusion about parking hours, panhandling laws, and seeming desire for large chain stores on the hill, but c'mon, we can disagree and discuss without destroying one of our own. The real enemy here are the developers looking to make Cap Hill into a mix of Kirkland and Belltown. That's not Well's fault.
Posted by Meinert on June 7, 2013 at 3:42 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 12
People can park in a mall for free. People can't park in the city for free. Most people with money still drive. The only free parking day here is Sunday. Try keeping shops open Sunday and advertise.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on June 7, 2013 at 3:45 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 13
I simply will not have Michael denigrated like this. Dominic, you are a very bad boy.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on June 7, 2013 at 3:45 PM · Report this
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Wow.

This was a commission study done by a third party in order to evaluate the retail climate on Broadway, especially before the construction of the new light rail station. The Chamber of Commerce commissioned the study and will use the study as a base for discussion but the recommendations themselves come from the firm hired to complete the study, Kidder Matthews.

I've been a critic of Dom's reporting for a while now and it seems taking potshots at me and the Capitol Hill Chamber is a way to retaliate. I'm surprised at this sliminess but I really shouldn't be. This piece is bombastic, hyperbolic, lacking in depth, misrepresentative and juvenile.

Justin Carder at the CHS blog has done the actual reporting of fact about this study and the hard work of sifting through the information and statistics. CHS blog has outperformed the Stranger on all topics Capitol Hill for years now. If you want to read about this study and what it actually says here's where to go;

http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2013/0…
Posted by M. Wells on June 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM · Report this
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Dominic, would it be beneath you to even mention what your problems with this study (or Michael Wells) are before you launch into personal attack mode? Do you disagree with the Chamber of Commerce's goal (whatever you perceive that to be) as an appropriate goal for the neighborhood, or do you disagree that the study's recommendations (if implemented) would achieve that goal, or do you think the data used to arrive at those recommendations was inaccurate, or what?

Note that the Capitol Hill Blog seems to have read the study as explaining *why* "high-end and big box department stores will likely never be part of Capitol Hill’s commercial core", rather than whatever you think it is.
Posted by Pierrot Lunaire on June 7, 2013 at 3:57 PM · Report this
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You mean we'll never get value stripping chain stores that export out money from our community in exchange for a generic, constipated, stagnant atmosphere?

Dang. Our loss.
Posted by nullbull on June 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM · Report this
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Feel free to keep standing up for the junky skateboarder demographic on the hill if that's what you think makes your neighborhood "authentic". You can keep 'em.

You should get out more if you think downtown is a sterile mall. Now Westfield Shoppingtown at Southcenter, that's a sterile mall done right.
Posted by Westside forever on June 7, 2013 at 4:08 PM · Report this
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Biggest problem for Broadway has been all the development in Pike/Pine. That's where the activity and excitement have moved to.
Posted by Citizen R on June 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM · Report this
DOUG. 19
Remember when there was a four-screen movie theater upstairs at Broadway Market? That was awesome.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on June 7, 2013 at 4:19 PM · Report this
DOUG. 20
Oh, and a Fred Meyer downstairs? I bought a TV there. Can you still buy a TV on Broadway?
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on June 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM · Report this
TomJohnsonJr 21
I can't make out what this post is complaining about, but the smell of "old grudge" is strong.
Posted by TomJohnsonJr on June 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 22
@19 yeah, still miss it.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on June 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM · Report this
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#11 It is sweet that you think Capitol Hill is still "weird." I guess when a place hasn't actually been weird for so long, you forget what weird is.
Posted by annettefunicello on June 7, 2013 at 5:02 PM · Report this
balderdash 24
Yeah, Dom, how dare you strip away all the bloviating and developer jargon and present the report's actual pro-gentrification message in plain terms? That is MEAN. Can't you just let the Chamber chase all the poors out without bothering them?

Mr. Wells, your pet blogger did put in an admirable amount of work on that write-up, but it doesn't change the fact that the report is essentially an analysis of how the area could be sterilized and sown with a crop of samey national retailers just like downtown.

And as regards downtown, @17, I was just there last night, trying to catch the last bus home. I was there to catch a bus because that is the only thing there is to do in downtown after 9 pm. I'd been on the Hill, where there are actually things to do after 9 pm, precisely because there are still institutions other than sterile samey retailers.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on June 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM · Report this
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Broadway businesses have been singing this same song for the 20-plus years I've lived here, and Broadway never, ever becomes fully interesting. It has never fit in with its surrounding community. This was obvious to me when I was a 20-year-old visiting tourist, and it is even more clear today: Broadway should ditch the corporate model its been clinging to and emulate the character of other neighborhood destination streets: 15th, Olive, Pike or Pine. Keep it local, mom-and-pop, and unique, not cookie cutter. Why Broadway insists on the mall-model, especially after all these failed years, makes no sense on Capitol Hill.
Posted by mitten on June 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM · Report this
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Bossy old white men on Cap Hill arent nearly as bad as the bigoted faux liberal hipsters.

A black person cant walk down the street or into a pub or restaurant without a dirty look and a racist comment under the breath from 90% of the 'chic hipsters' that live in that area.
Posted by araucania on June 7, 2013 at 5:18 PM · Report this
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capitol hill has turned into such a weird version of itself. the cha cha use to be a dank little hole in the wall now its a giant club with a line going out the door. pine street on the weekends is turning into the new pioneer square nightclub area. good for business owners but its still fucking bizarre.
Posted by Chester Copperpot on June 7, 2013 at 5:21 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 28
"Encourage the redevelopment of underutilized properties with a marketing effort" as reported by Dominic Holden is "raze". He reports, you decide.

Oh, and "this report makes a wonderful case for doing none of those things"? Really? Don't "Facilitate better communication between the agencies and developers responsible for the projects and Corridor businesses"? Don't "Advocate for additional police"? Don't "direct additional resources toward street/sidewalk cleaning, and tree trimming"?

Like two days ago you guys bleated for a return of the Q Patrol. Today you don't want more cops. And you don't want the trash picked up.

Clearly another Stranger hit piece. If you can't beat 'em demonize 'em.

So what did this guy do to you, Dominic?
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on June 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM · Report this
merry 29
@ 26 - Wha? Excuse me, but... wha?!?

Cap Hill is one of the most diverse, integrated neighborhoods in the city. Cap Hill is the most urbane area of this big small town we like to call Seattle.

I dunno who you've been talking to, but... I can assure you, "90%" of Cap Hill residents most certainly do NOT mutter racist epithets when a black person walks by.. maybe because a large proportion of Cap Hill residents are, in fact, persons of color themselves.... sheesh......

/end of 'splaining the obvious to the clueless
Posted by merry on June 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM · Report this
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i am an old cap hill woman who is very fond of michael wells AND dominic holden.... not quite sure how this got so nasty so fast.

we all love a little dust up for excitement but this exchange seems a bit steeped in some historical begrudge-apalooza.

c'mon gents... let's all get along.
Posted by go bulldogs on June 7, 2013 at 5:53 PM · Report this
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How many of the small retailers are selling products people on the hill need? How many latin and african art pieces do we need?
Posted by ProstSeattle on June 7, 2013 at 5:55 PM · Report this
David Schmader 32
I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Dom and Michael have hated each other in Stranger comments for years.
Posted by David Schmader on June 7, 2013 at 6:06 PM · Report this
raku 33
#14: If your defense of the report is that you didn't write the recommendations (even though it's signed with your name), you obviously know it is very problematic.

You wrote very political statements bordering on hate speech about "street people", and your only recommendations were to pass laws so that it's easier for police to fine or jail them, and to adopt a "no tolerance policy". Are you really surprised Dominic (or anyone with a social conscience) would react with vitriol?

Along with your top recommendation about *wink* street people, your second major recommendation is for MORE parking subsidized by the city (not a word about more transit, bicycle infrastructure, pedestrian infrastructure, accessibility for the disabled, etc).

That's clearly not just a report of the facts - it's a political tool to pressure the government into changing laws to turn Capitol Hill into something completely out of step with the people who live in the neighborhood. Your entire report envisions turning Broadway into University Village - it's extremely tone-deaf at best and racist/classist at worst.

Confidential to Dominic: Please tell your fellow Stranger writers to stop writing free ad after free ad on Slog/The Stranger for every shitty business that #10 opens, pretending his new pizza shacks or bars are "news". You're financially supporting a Conlin fundraiser who has pushed the regressive recommendations in this report for years. I would not be surprised at all if he had a hand in writing the worst of these recommendations.
Posted by raku on June 7, 2013 at 6:07 PM · Report this
Last of the Time Lords 34
Capitol Hill died around 1999 - 2000... you guys are now just bitching who gets to fuck the old rotten corpse at this point.

But please...keep bitching..it's really cute.
Posted by Last of the Time Lords on June 7, 2013 at 6:15 PM · Report this
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Okay, if you want a Shopping Mall in Capital Hill, build one, or don't.
Posted by gman5541 on June 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM · Report this
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Raku - you're silly. We actually agree on the report, and on it's recommendations. I think they suck, for the reasons you point out. I just think we should be able to disagree with the report while not completely vilifying people who might disagree with us. I know Michael, and I know Dom, and they are both good people I disagree with sometimes. That should be ok. The scariest thing to me is that the Chamber seems to be pushing for more "daytime retail" in Pike/ Pine...my fear is that "daytime retail" means they would love to see The Comet become a boutique clothing store, or Wild Rose start selling earrings. Because I rarely see the proponents of daytime retail pushing for more live music venues, even though Neumos, The Comet and Century Ballroom are cornerstones of the neighborhood. Nor do I see them supporting retail events like The Hangover Flea Market at The Comet. And one thing people probably don't notice is which building owners are supporting keeping the neighborhood interesting - like the owners that house The Comet, The Lobby Bar, High Voltage Music, and Everyday Music vs. the businesses drawing a more mainstream clientele (who are very involved with the Chamber). It's an interesting story someone should write. But it's also many layered because I doubt many people object to Elliott Bay books coming the Pike/Pine. And while I love bars and nightlife, I am bummed the new gay danceclub in the neighborhood seems to be drawing the straight Belltown nightlife crowd. End of the day, this is a good discussion we should be having, because there are a lot of issues we can agree on and work towards together, but vilifying each other won't really work in anyone's favor.
Posted by Meinert on June 7, 2013 at 6:32 PM · Report this
TomJohnsonJr 37
I read the consultant report at issue in full finally, and its main thrust seems to be that Broadway needs to get more like Pike/Pine, not like U Village at all.
Posted by TomJohnsonJr on June 7, 2013 at 6:34 PM · Report this
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I have been critical of Dominic's work for a long time. And now he's been critical of mine. Hate is a strong word but I am having a hard time liking him this afternoon, Dave.

#33. Yes, the report was commissioned by the Chamber and the recommendations came from the third party that wrote the report. This story misrepresents that fact and so do you. The piece cherry picks high octane issues like parking and homelessness and does indeed misrepresent the recommendations as coming from the Chamber. That is simply untrue. Many of those recommendations that Kidder Matthews presents are based on interviews with retailers, yes. Those interviews show a need for some complex conversations about how to keep the Hill healthy. That's why we commissioned it. There are real issue to think about for the future of this neighborhood; how it gets developed or not, what transit means to us, public safety, maintaining diversity in retail and housing, finding tools and strategies to keep small business thriving. Unfortunately playing whack-a-mole with my character is the lede.

If you really want to talk about these things, read the report, not Dominic's screed. To misquote Lindy West -please try to read it before you attack, cuz you're not really getting the real story here.

This turned into Mean Girls so quickly...

And now, I'm going to take a nap. Because I'm so old.



Posted by M. Wells on June 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM · Report this
dirac 39
@29 lol More Cap Hill provincialism. I guess the center of the universe is no longer Fremont. Lake City is more diverse . Hahaha. Ever been to Rainier Valley or, hell, West Seattle?
Posted by dirac on June 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM · Report this
dirac 40
With density comes Macy's.
Posted by dirac on June 7, 2013 at 6:51 PM · Report this
raku 41
#38: I don't know you and didn't mean to say a word about your character, just what your report says. I may have implied character issues about Meinert, because I know his history lobbying the government to pass the regressive legislation mentioned in your report about panhandlers and government parking, along with a host of other regressive measures (privatization, gambling, regressive taxation, the Chihuly handout, etc).

I read your report - can you elaborate what you think I'm misrepresenting? I realize now I missed one sentence about more "bike racks". If you go to pages 28-29, your only public policy recommendations are about strengthening laws against "crazy street people", and about increasing subsidized parking.

Can you imagine if you replaced your 17 mentions about "street people" with another marginalized group? Mentally ill people, disabled people, black people, Jewish people, women, queer people? Most of us in Seattle see homeless people as a marginalized group like these other groups, which is why we spend hundreds of millions of dollars to help homeless people, instead of fining or jailing them. You clearly don't see them that way, which is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt in that you might just be "extremely tone-deaf" instead of flat-out racist and classist.

If this was truly just prepared by Kidder Matthews and released without your input, you should demand your money back and warn other people about doing business with them.
Posted by raku on June 7, 2013 at 7:06 PM · Report this
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Raku - odd you just can't bring yourself to rising to the level where you can disagree with a person without hating them. It's a mental weakness. Not to mention you are incorrect about my positions - I voted for the high earners income tax initiative (after rightfully I think, pointing out that it was mistakenly written in a way that was bad for small business - something admitted to by it's paid advocates), and was against liquor privatization - but yes for legalized card rooms in Seattle (like surrounding cities and King County) and supportive of an exhibit honoring a local artist paid for with private money. But in this case, maybe unfortunately, we agree on the reports seeming bias, though I need to dig into it more. I'm in the Pike Pine neighborhood daily, come have a beer and we can discuss what we're both doing to help people on the street in Seattle. If you are actually doing anything.
Posted by Meinert on June 7, 2013 at 7:25 PM · Report this
rezbilly 43
Not really sure that the Chamber got its money's worth for those recommendations since there already is an aggressive panhandling ordinance and a sidewalk obstruction ordinance. Seattle Municipal Code 12A.12.15. Why try and create a new law when there's already a good one on the books? It sounds like an enforcement, not a legislative, problem.
Posted by rezbilly on June 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM · Report this
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@Doug: The Broadway Market went to shit when they remodeled it solely to be for the benefit of Queer Food Company. What a hacked design is that? A two-floor supermarket! Sounds like a great idea (NOT!)
Posted by Weekilter on June 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM · Report this
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Broadway cannot be more like Pike/ Pine because most of the commercial property landlords are insanely greedy and charge more than any independent, small business can afford. That's why you see banks and Starbucks and high end stores and restaurants. Be certain that whatever small retailers still exist on Broadway are barely making it.
Posted by randomitis on June 7, 2013 at 10:36 PM · Report this
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Cap Hill is one of the most diverse, integrated neighborhoods in the city.


No, it is not. You might feel diverse and integrated while dining out on the Hill, but that feeling is nothing but delusion.

The claim that Capitol Hill was especially diverse may have been true 25 years ago, but today it is so untrue as to render anyone making this claim disingenuous. The black percentage of population of Capitol Hill has been in decline for a long time, and now stands at about 7.75%, compared to 8.29% for Seattle as a whole.

Capitol hill today is almost 80% white, compared to 70% for Seattle as a whole. Though it may not have been the case in the past, today Capitol hill is one of the less diverse, less integrated neighborhoods in the city.
Posted by robotslave on June 8, 2013 at 12:00 AM · Report this
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And I, too, would like to know how Dom supposes businesses should operate in societies of ever-increasing density, if those businesses are for some odd reason expected to develop in opposition to the logic of ever-increasing density, instead of: embracing economies of scale; continually centralizing more functions out to factories, Distribution Centers, and the like; cutting costs via standardization and automation; etc.

Businesses are, at the end of the day, no more than collections of people. What sort of political ideology is it, that tells us residents ought to be compelled to continually increase density, but businesses ought to be compelled to reduce it?
Posted by robotslave on June 8, 2013 at 12:25 AM · Report this
Zurls 48
The fight has always been between developers and business view of Capitol Hill, and what the people who actually live here want. With the current Apodment developer scam running unabated (City Council and DLU say "It's not a loophole!!") soon livability will be in the toilet. Whenever it gets brought up Developers and their cronies scream "NIMBY!!" so you won't realize that fraud has been committed. There are 15 building being built now on the Hill which have been zoned legitimately but which the developers then raised by 8 times the units! There are another 20 Apodments in the approval pipeline and more to come. Who is dealing with stopping this Business/Developer handjob? A building approved for 20 units suddenly now supports 160 units due to an wink and a nod. And guess what? That building only has to provide parking based on that stated "20 units." So where are all these additional people going to park? Multiply that times the 30 buildings going up soon on Capitol Hill. Screw these recommendation, screw the other Cap Hill arguments - who is holding folks accountable for this scam?
Posted by Zurls on June 8, 2013 at 12:48 AM · Report this
Will in Seattle 49
@48 they park at the light rail station. Yeah, that's their car.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on June 8, 2013 at 12:53 AM · Report this
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What was Broadway like in the late 1950s?

I mean, this place had to be as bloated with new development then as it is now. I'm not sure Broadway was burdened by light rail construction AND street trolley construction AND unrealistic parking rates / enforcement...

If business owners want to try to shape the neighborhood, they ought to agree to a rough outline of a vision before the light rail station opens. I fear more a transformation into the University District than Beltown or Pioneer Square.
Posted by six shooter on June 8, 2013 at 6:43 AM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 51
Agreed with others, this feels like a hit piece - the focus was not on the report, but demonizing of the person who had it commissioned. I mean, you've got Raku on your side in the comments shouting as much hyperbole as you did - is that something you want?

Your posts are better when you're not coming across like an asshole's screed.

Posted by Pridge Wessea on June 8, 2013 at 7:18 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 52
This is undoubtedly a side effect of my advanced age plus admittedly oddball sensibilities, but I can't really think of a good retail neighborhood in Seattle. It seems like the definition of "good" retail is a mix of clothing stores of various quality, expensive household goods, and cheaply constructed furniture.

To me, good retail is Hawthorne Blvd in Portland or Indian Canyon Drive in Palm Springs.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on June 8, 2013 at 7:20 AM · Report this
pdonahue 53
#47 "Corporations are people, my friend" yeah, yeah we all know we all know that people living in density require big box retail to provide services for them, because SCOTUS told us so in "Citizens vs United". Are you fucking serious?

When I moved to Capital Hill 25 years ago Pine street was Auto parts stores and glory holes, it had the highest density in the city then as it does now, retail business faces the same issues; transportation, parking, poor people, bla, bla welcome to life in the city. BTW, is was mostly white people then as well, diversity only exists in the 'burbs now, look at a map of Census data. http://crosscut.com/2010/11/10/seattle/2… Adapt or die, capitol hill businesses, consolidation of distribution to Walmart style business model is completely dependent on subsidies from municipal utilities and cheap oil, in other words, not gonna happen in high density areas like the 'hill. If you don't already live in Kennydale or Marysville, please consider it, you might be a lot happier there.
Posted by pdonahue on June 8, 2013 at 8:19 AM · Report this
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At least Michael and the Chamber actually do things to help make life on the Hill more livable. The Chamber partnered with Seattle PrideFest on the June 1 Clean Sweep of Capitol Hill, produces family-friendly Halloween events ("Hilloween"), and cares deeply about what happens to Capitol Hill. He was running Bailey-Coy when it shut down on Broadway and knows a thing or two about how the Hill has changed over time. So let's have a conversation about the future of the hill and avoid gossiping about people and things of which we have little knowledge. Michael is one of the most engaged figures on the Hill, and an essential person in the conversation. With his work on the Cap Hill Chamber of Commerce and Broadway BIA, his job is to think about how to advocate and create a healthy business eco-system on the hill. If you have a different opinion, speak it. As a longtime hill resident, I've heard people mourning what Capitol Hill has become for years. Guess what? I'm not even sure the idyllic place you talk about ever existed. Personally, I love what Capitol Hill has become. It's way more interesting than it was in the 90s, and it keeps on changing. It's the nature of a vibrant urban space. So is thoughtful discourse. So thanks to Michael for being an important voice in the conversation and an untiring advocate for a better Capitol Hill. For those of us who know his work, this "journalism" and the "torch the witch" comments in reaction to it make our stomachs turn. Boo!
Posted by eganorion on June 8, 2013 at 8:47 AM · Report this
dirac 55
@52 You are so right about Hawthorne and Indian Canyon Drive. Not sure I'd want to live around there but Hawthorne is a really cool retail space.

@53 It's still hypocritical to dismiss things because of brand or scale, especially coming from an avid supporter of crappy non-livable aPodments/bedrooms. Don't you think? Why is it OK to support cramped living spaces but not at least consider the rapid tide of gentrification that's already happened--is the majority of aPodment ownership local/organic/caring about the neighborhood? That's a rhetorical question.

You could have an integrated vision that lets everyone have what they want, acknowledging the reality of current capitalist whoredom while incubating a more balanced future. Knowing how things happen in Seattle with respect to urban planning, I don't have much faith in that happening though.
Posted by dirac on June 8, 2013 at 9:33 AM · Report this
dirac 56
@55 Also, robotslave's response was to someone claiming super diversity. We all know the sad reality that's it not true. Well, except for our friend at @29 who's slobbering over CH's "urbanity."

Posted by dirac on June 8, 2013 at 9:38 AM · Report this
TomJohnsonJr 57
@54, nicely put. Michael has been my comments buddy (and fellow occasional Dom-chider) for years, and his bookshop introduced me to great gay literature when I was just a kid. Plus which, he employed Terry back when he and Dan first met, FWIW.

Should it happen that behind all this is a beef worthy of a legitimate post, I'm sure we'll get it. In the meantime, silver linings-wise, this sure has given the report a bigger spotlight than even Justin's excellent CHS post could have managed. Ah, the internet, where anger lights a quicker fire than love ever could.
Posted by TomJohnsonJr on June 8, 2013 at 11:26 AM · Report this
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@53

Increasing urban density means increasing industrialization of agriculture and food processing, you simply can't feed everyone without it. Just because the increased business density isn't in your residential-density neighborhood doesn't mean it doesn't exist, or isn't a necessary consequence of that residential scheme.

By all means, have a go at collectivizing the food industry, but don't kid yourself-- dense cities absolutely do need chemical fertilizers, factory farms, processing plants, and heavy transport.
Posted by robotslave on June 8, 2013 at 11:59 AM · Report this
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@29

Capitol Hill diverse? Are you kidding me? Its 80% White. You are thinking of Central, which thanks to the 1%er faux liberal racist Mayor, will be all white soon enough.

http://www.areavibes.com/seattle-wa/capi…
Posted by araucania on June 8, 2013 at 7:39 PM · Report this
pdonahue 60
Most definitely the scale of food production and transportation have made the density possible, I'm questioning the logic of relying on corporations that manage them to look out for our best interests.
Posted by pdonahue on June 8, 2013 at 7:55 PM · Report this
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@60

Fine, but that's your hobby-horse; I haven't used the word "corporation" at all in my questioning of those who support residential density while opposing business density. I certainly don't restrict any of what I've been saying to privately owned businesses.
Posted by robotslave on June 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM · Report this
Clara T 62
#31 the correct ratio of Broadway storefront Latin American art to African art is 3 to 2. Total amounts will vary depending on how long you went to Central.
Posted by Clara T on June 8, 2013 at 11:24 PM · Report this
michaelp 63
This is the fucking SLOG. Any expectation of unbiased posts, or playing nice, is sorely misplaced.

This report sucks. Michael Wells represents a demographic that is easy to hate: business owners. Granted, he represents small business owners, but...well, anarchy means I litter, right?

I've just skimmed the report, but I think one thing that should be a focus is getting a street car line from the hotels downtown up to Capitol Hill. Free parking and cracking down on aggressive panhandlers won't bring in more business for store owners - must-visit stores will.

There should be ample concern, however, that the results of this god awful report will skew development in their favor. Perhaps Holden could have been more eloquent in pointing this out, but ultimately, it will come down to policy makers. With no real City Council challengers (except that Albert Shen character, who would be more aligned with this report than Mike O'Brien), it means that more pressure on the council and mayor's office is needed.

And perhaps passing Seattle Districts, giving all of the council 2 years to not fuck it up, especially if any of them are planning on running in District 3.
Posted by michaelp on June 9, 2013 at 8:39 AM · Report this
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@63. Yes, must visit stores are the answer. Part of the challenge for retail is that people's spending habits have changed drastically and brick & mortar retailers are struggling to figure out that dynamic. And there's little investment in the retail sector while everyone tries to figure out the new paradigm.

And please don't litter.
Posted by M. Wells on June 9, 2013 at 10:15 AM · Report this
raku 65
Meinert- It's your responsibility to educate yourself on issues before you publicly lobby for a terrible public policy. It's not other people's jobs to come have a beer with you in your office to explain themselves - it's incredible how privileged that sounds. If you do make public declarations and policy recommendations that are misguided, you can expect outrage, whether you are Meinert or Wells or McGinn or Obama.

There are literally hundreds of people in Seattle who have dedicated their jobs and lives to bettering the situation for the poor and homeless - go read what they have written or listen to them speak. I guarantee none of them recommend jailing and fining homeless people and many have written at length why this is a cruel and awful idea, if you still don't get it. You can emulate more respectful language than "crazy street people" as well.
Posted by raku on June 9, 2013 at 10:30 AM · Report this
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"This piece is bombastic, hyperbolic, lacking in depth, misrepresentative and juvenile."

@14: Of course it is. That's Dominic's stock in trade. Anyone who disagrees with him is just a stupid poopyhead. That's what passes for intellectual discourse for Mr. Holden.

Posted by bigyaz on June 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM · Report this
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How about cap hill businesses host a street party that does not align with Corridor retailer’s target customers?

or can we just dispense with the fairy tale that business gives one shit about doing something without expecting an consequential ring up on their register.
Posted by Agrippa on June 10, 2013 at 11:32 AM · Report this
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@17: We don't care about the opinions of suburban idiots who don't set foot within the city.
Posted by undead ayn rand on June 10, 2013 at 8:40 PM · Report this

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