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Fort Worth: The Police Are Lying
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I hope that just once these crooked cops are rooted out and get what they deserve--jail time. Jail time with other macho violent men who will prove their dominance in y'know... various ways.
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Wouldn't the paramedics/hospital emergency staff need to know how intoxicated Gibson was, in order to administer medication etc. to him and for the police record of his arrest?
Something does sound amiss.
Something does sound amiss.
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I keep seeing..."brain injury" in everything I read. I am not sure why this matters so much to me...but I need to know exactly what that means.
I should be angry...no matter what the extent. But is he in a coma? Is he critical?
I should be angry...no matter what the extent. But is he in a coma? Is he critical?
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The timing of the incident does support the theory that the head injury caused the symptoms and not the alcohol. The ticket was issued at 1:10am, so it would be logical to assume an ambulance would be immediately called if he were that drunk. The fact that the ambulance wasn't called for another 15 minutes supports the supposition that the symptoms appeared after he experienced the head trauma, and THEN the ambulance was called. Sounds like the investigators have their work cut out for them.
@1 Wishing that others get raped? I bet you're a delightful person. Hate and violence just breed more hate and violence...
@1 Wishing that others get raped? I bet you're a delightful person. Hate and violence just breed more hate and violence...
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Does it add anything that FWPD Chief is now blaming TABC and saying that Gibson was injured while in the custody of TABC agents?
http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2…
http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2…
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I just found a very active facebook group that's been formed to track this:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10…
Lots of links, info, photos, videos there.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10…
Lots of links, info, photos, videos there.
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Ran him into a wall? For refusing to answer a question? I'm speechless. Is it still 1970 in Texas?
I hope to see these cops jailed, or at least never wear a badge again....
I hope to see these cops jailed, or at least never wear a badge again....
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I knew this would bug me, because alcohol poisoning can be lethal. A trained officer would know that time is vital and would immediately call 911, because the blood alcohol would continue to rise. So, I checked with the Mayo Clinic, http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcohol…
Symptoms:
Confusion, stupor
Vomiting
Seizures
Slow breathing (less than eight breaths a minute)
Irregular breathing
Blue-tinged skin or pale skin
Low body temperature (hypothermia)
Unconsciousness ("passing out")
*If the person is unconscious, breathing less than eight times a minute or has repeated, uncontrolled vomiting, call 911 or your local emergency number immediately. Keep in mind that even when someone is unconscious or has stopped drinking, alcohol continues to be released into the bloodstream and the level of alcohol in the body continues to rise. Never assume that a person will "sleep off" alcohol poisoning.
How much is too much?
Unlike food, which can take hours to digest, alcohol is absorbed quickly by your body — long before most other nutrients. If you drink on an empty stomach, about 20 percent of the alcohol is absorbed directly from your stomach and can reach your brain in less than a minute.
Most alcohol, though, is processed by your liver. It takes about one hour for your liver to process (metabolize) the alcohol in one drink — defined as 12 ounces (355 milliliters) of beer, 4 to 5 ounces (118 to 148 milliliters) of wine or 1.5 ounce (44 milliliters) of 80-proof distilled spirits. Mixed drinks often contain more than one serving of alcohol and take even longer to metabolize.
The rate at which alcohol is processed can vary considerably from person to person and depends on a number of factors. In general, though, drinking more than one drink an hour gives your liver more than it can handle. Binge drinking — usually defined as rapidly downing five drinks or more in a row — is especially dangerous. Drinking large quantities of alcohol so quickly means that you can consume a lethal dose before you pass out.
What happens to your body when you drink?
Alcohol depresses the nerves that control involuntary actions such as breathing, heartbeat and your gag reflex, which keeps you from choking. Excessive alcohol intake can slow and, in some cases, shut down these functions. Your body temperature can also drop (hypothermia), leading to cardiac arrest. And your blood sugar level can fall low enough to cause seizures.
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Symptoms:
Confusion, stupor
Vomiting
Seizures
Slow breathing (less than eight breaths a minute)
Irregular breathing
Blue-tinged skin or pale skin
Low body temperature (hypothermia)
Unconsciousness ("passing out")
*If the person is unconscious, breathing less than eight times a minute or has repeated, uncontrolled vomiting, call 911 or your local emergency number immediately. Keep in mind that even when someone is unconscious or has stopped drinking, alcohol continues to be released into the bloodstream and the level of alcohol in the body continues to rise. Never assume that a person will "sleep off" alcohol poisoning.
How much is too much?
Unlike food, which can take hours to digest, alcohol is absorbed quickly by your body — long before most other nutrients. If you drink on an empty stomach, about 20 percent of the alcohol is absorbed directly from your stomach and can reach your brain in less than a minute.
Most alcohol, though, is processed by your liver. It takes about one hour for your liver to process (metabolize) the alcohol in one drink — defined as 12 ounces (355 milliliters) of beer, 4 to 5 ounces (118 to 148 milliliters) of wine or 1.5 ounce (44 milliliters) of 80-proof distilled spirits. Mixed drinks often contain more than one serving of alcohol and take even longer to metabolize.
The rate at which alcohol is processed can vary considerably from person to person and depends on a number of factors. In general, though, drinking more than one drink an hour gives your liver more than it can handle. Binge drinking — usually defined as rapidly downing five drinks or more in a row — is especially dangerous. Drinking large quantities of alcohol so quickly means that you can consume a lethal dose before you pass out.
What happens to your body when you drink?
Alcohol depresses the nerves that control involuntary actions such as breathing, heartbeat and your gag reflex, which keeps you from choking. Excessive alcohol intake can slow and, in some cases, shut down these functions. Your body temperature can also drop (hypothermia), leading to cardiac arrest. And your blood sugar level can fall low enough to cause seizures.
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@4 Brain injury can take a while to manifest, even days. His condition is a clot on his brain, so he wouldn't show all the symptoms of this until after the clot formed.
Thanks for playing slog.
Thanks for playing slog.
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@3 His brain was bleeding and now there is a blood clot in his brain so he is not out of the woods yet since there is the chance that the clot could break loose and kill him or the bleeding could start up again.
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@1 Yes, I agree. That is the one thing that frustrates me about these cases--the cops are rarely held accountable for their actions. And the few that make it to trial often don't get convictions or get lesser charges.
I hope I never have to interact with law enforcement.
I hope I never have to interact with law enforcement.
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Fucking cops. They really need to have criminal charges brought against them. I hope some court of law makes bacon out of these pigs.
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The problem is that police seem to believe that they are in the punishment business, not the protection business. They should learn how to control themselves when dealing with civilians. Arrest me or don't arrest me. Don't think that you are the judge and punisher.
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Dr Savage,
We don't share you're vast expertise about this but might Gibson's behavior after his arrest—unsteady, vomiting, disoriented—also be consistent with many of the symptoms typically displayed by someone who has been drinking all night long?
I realize it is a stretch to imagine that someone in a bar at 1am might have consumed any alcohol but would intoxication also be one of the possibilities included in the differential diagnosis?
We don't share you're vast expertise about this but might Gibson's behavior after his arrest—unsteady, vomiting, disoriented—also be consistent with many of the symptoms typically displayed by someone who has been drinking all night long?
I realize it is a stretch to imagine that someone in a bar at 1am might have consumed any alcohol but would intoxication also be one of the possibilities included in the differential diagnosis?
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Sherlock,
Your witnesses back up the police version- none of them saw Gibson hit his head while the arrest was being made in the bar.
Your witnesses back up the police version- none of them saw Gibson hit his head while the arrest was being made in the bar.
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Dan you posted the fwpd's contact information, shouldn't complaints be directed to the FBI at this point?
It seems like conservative Fortworth might not be up to the task of prosecuting what is clearly a bigotry motivated abuse of police power.
It seems like conservative Fortworth might not be up to the task of prosecuting what is clearly a bigotry motivated abuse of police power.
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This needs to go federal, for sure. Nothing will happen in Texas. I know, I live here. The country is so full of anger and gays are such a convenient target, with religious groups abetting the prejudice.
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So now it was was all TABC's fault according to Halstead? The victim was injured under their custody?
Really? Because the earlier published photo shows him being by 4 officers, one with nothing but his bloody gloves visible, one clearly in a FWPD uniform and two in tan uniforms of the TABC. There were only 2 TABC officers there.
And earlier it was said by Chief Halstead that the victim injured himself outside, since the timeframe between arrest and the Ambulance being called, why were two TABC officers outside detaining him immediately after the raid and not inside the bar conducting/participating/overseeing the raid and ensuing investigation that took place under their authority?
Really? Because the earlier published photo shows him being by 4 officers, one with nothing but his bloody gloves visible, one clearly in a FWPD uniform and two in tan uniforms of the TABC. There were only 2 TABC officers there.
And earlier it was said by Chief Halstead that the victim injured himself outside, since the timeframe between arrest and the Ambulance being called, why were two TABC officers outside detaining him immediately after the raid and not inside the bar conducting/participating/overseeing the raid and ensuing investigation that took place under their authority?
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The problem is that a system in which cops rarely, if ever, face civil and criminal liability for their thuggish behavior actively promotes a culture of thuggery. What is the difference between a gang-banger and a cop? A gang-banger might actually do time if he puts somebody in the hospital.
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..."Police Department is lying". And this revelation surprises whom? It's the inevitable result of giving guns and authority to overgrown schoolyard bullies. Is there any kind of assesment testing that these thugs have to pass before they get the badge? No? I didn't think so.
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The police are the servants, not the masters. They're there to protect the public, not control it.
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