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KEXP Introduces Seek & Destroy
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I hope this isn't just lip service. I'd like to hear the likes of Opeth and Symphony X played along with Sunn 0))) and Baroness.
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Does this mean we get a local music show back that's not 50% metal, 50% everything else?
Rough, back of the envelope calculations of course.
And I vote for Maiden.
Rough, back of the envelope calculations of course.
And I vote for Maiden.
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I hold high hopes, but Hannah just included Def Leppard's High and Dry in her top 10 heavys countdown? There better be plenty of Carcass!
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"High and Dry" is a great album.
i bought it when it came out because i thought it had a great AC/DC vibe.
when "Pyromania" came out i barfed - it sounded like it was recorded in a wind tunnel, no guts.
just 'cause a bands later stuff sucks is no reason to hate on the earlier shit.
i bought it when it came out because i thought it had a great AC/DC vibe.
when "Pyromania" came out i barfed - it sounded like it was recorded in a wind tunnel, no guts.
just 'cause a bands later stuff sucks is no reason to hate on the earlier shit.
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Priest shreds Maiden. No contest. I know that the first two Maiden albums with the original singer are good, yeah yeah yeah. Whatever. Maiden still paved the way for all that false-ass Dragonforce "adventure metal" bullshit.
Priest fell off around "Turbo," of course, but most of their songs were still about kicking ass and riding motorcycles, and they came back in a big way with "Painkiller."
Priest fell off around "Turbo," of course, but most of their songs were still about kicking ass and riding motorcycles, and they came back in a big way with "Painkiller."
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If it's anything like Jeff Gilbert's Brain Pain show back in the day on KCMU, it's going to rule.
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@10, I posit, enthusiastically, that their older songs were more about "[dicking] ass and riding motorcycles." I <3 metal!
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@1 I hope so too
In fact I want this to be everything I ever wanted.
And Painkiller is FANTASTIC.
In fact I want this to be everything I ever wanted.
And Painkiller is FANTASTIC.
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@6 i totally agree, and I brought this up on the kexp blog, but I'll add it here too:
This is virtually all you ever play on audioasis already, PNW metal/hardcore/whatever you call it. Can we assume that you will start playing more diverse music on audioasis now that you will have an ‘official’ show dedicated to this type of music???
I get so tired of hearing old Soundgarden tracks on your ‘local’ show when there are literally hundreds of Seattle bands out there that are currently making amazing music, yet you choose to highlight very few of them.
The tracks that you do choose to play on audioasis that aren’t of the hardcore ilk are from the same local bands that get representation on KEXP all day long every day of the week. While your hardcore tracks on audioasis are providing diversity to what kexp usually plays, your knowledge of what is going on in the seattle music scene otherwise, is seriously lacking. I am very glad that this Seek & Destroy show has been added to kexp’s programming…I hope we see a change in what you choose to highlight of the Seattle music scene in your ‘local’ show.
This is virtually all you ever play on audioasis already, PNW metal/hardcore/whatever you call it. Can we assume that you will start playing more diverse music on audioasis now that you will have an ‘official’ show dedicated to this type of music???
I get so tired of hearing old Soundgarden tracks on your ‘local’ show when there are literally hundreds of Seattle bands out there that are currently making amazing music, yet you choose to highlight very few of them.
The tracks that you do choose to play on audioasis that aren’t of the hardcore ilk are from the same local bands that get representation on KEXP all day long every day of the week. While your hardcore tracks on audioasis are providing diversity to what kexp usually plays, your knowledge of what is going on in the seattle music scene otherwise, is seriously lacking. I am very glad that this Seek & Destroy show has been added to kexp’s programming…I hope we see a change in what you choose to highlight of the Seattle music scene in your ‘local’ show.
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@16 and @17 What would you like on the local show? the bands that eric grandy writes about? powerful power? how about modest mouse. they are local right? or how about the band that that you saw in that basement that one time? face it bitches, seattle music is catagorically pussy music and only the heavy music is good. oooo im some emo whinner who doesn't like what the local indepentent radio station is playing. If you don't like what people are playing on the only radio station in the world that isn't playing nickleback then turn Jack 93.fuck you.3 and shut your pussy mouth. or MAKE A REQUEST.
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@18 no, eric grandy only writes about what's already on pitchfork.
'that band that i saw in that basement that one time'...actually, YES, this is the type of thing I'm talking about. Those bands that play in basements, that aren't lucky enough to have one of their members be a writer for the stranger, or be friends with people a kexp/neumos/stranger, are indeed making GREAT MUSIC. They are even putting out albums that no one gives a shit about because no one knows about them because the seattle music scene is a fucking racket. If you don't know someone, then you are never going to get anywhere. the incest is maddening. I do make requests, they don't get played.
You seem to have missed my point about the music on audioasis...the music Hannah plays that isn't metalhardcore, is the same medio-core local music that KEXP jizzes all over all day long in between mainstream national indie acts and throwback 80's 'safe' hits.
'that band that i saw in that basement that one time'...actually, YES, this is the type of thing I'm talking about. Those bands that play in basements, that aren't lucky enough to have one of their members be a writer for the stranger, or be friends with people a kexp/neumos/stranger, are indeed making GREAT MUSIC. They are even putting out albums that no one gives a shit about because no one knows about them because the seattle music scene is a fucking racket. If you don't know someone, then you are never going to get anywhere. the incest is maddening. I do make requests, they don't get played.
You seem to have missed my point about the music on audioasis...the music Hannah plays that isn't metalhardcore, is the same medio-core local music that KEXP jizzes all over all day long in between mainstream national indie acts and throwback 80's 'safe' hits.
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OOLTJITMHTST,
So, I guess you're not a fan of Miley Cyrus, or the Blakes, or you just don't want to imagine the awesome that could be unleashed by kicking off the metal show with their tunes? Think of the rage it would induce, that would then be translated into the heaviest shit known to man!
When you step back and think about it, it's really a metal muse.
So, I guess you're not a fan of Miley Cyrus, or the Blakes, or you just don't want to imagine the awesome that could be unleashed by kicking off the metal show with their tunes? Think of the rage it would induce, that would then be translated into the heaviest shit known to man!
When you step back and think about it, it's really a metal muse.
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JB,
Not correct, they appear to be in the group of "metal/hardcore/whatever" music. But really, I don't think that's the point MAF is trying to make.
Not correct, they appear to be in the group of "metal/hardcore/whatever" music. But really, I don't think that's the point MAF is trying to make.
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JB,
Not correct, they appear to be in the group of "metal/hardcore/whatever" music. But really, I don't think that's the point MAF is trying to make.
Not correct, they appear to be in the group of "metal/hardcore/whatever" music. But really, I don't think that's the point MAF is trying to make.
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JB,
Not correct, they appear to be in the group of "metal/hardcore/whatever" music. But really, I don't think that's the point either MAF or myself are trying to make.
Which I guess is kind of like raining on the parade for the new metal show.
Not correct, they appear to be in the group of "metal/hardcore/whatever" music. But really, I don't think that's the point either MAF or myself are trying to make.
Which I guess is kind of like raining on the parade for the new metal show.
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JB,
Not correct, they appear to be in the group of "metal/hardcore/whatever" music. But really, I don't think that's the point either MAF or myself are trying to make.
Which I guess is kind of like raining on the parade for the new metal show.
Not correct, they appear to be in the group of "metal/hardcore/whatever" music. But really, I don't think that's the point either MAF or myself are trying to make.
Which I guess is kind of like raining on the parade for the new metal show.
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If you posting four times is a piss-take on my posting twice, I have to say: well-bowled.
Calling Soundgarden a metal band is kind of like calling Throw Me The Statue a rock band. I guess it's technically accurate, but it's not really a correct representation of the genre. Really what it reads like is that Soundgarden is too heavy for MAF. If that's the case, then my band probably sounds like a metal/hardcore band, too.
But I'm supposing the point is that is that there is little to no point in playing bands that have been broken up for over a decade, when you could be playing current bands. Fair enough, although there is a healthy case for a counter-argument that kids today lack roots --something that I personally agree with-- and that people with record collections that don't date back past 1998 need to get schooled.
Really, I think the reason that you're hearing a lot of metal and related genres on the local show is that along with hip-hop, those are the scenes that are the most healthy/prolific in Seattle right now.
Calling Soundgarden a metal band is kind of like calling Throw Me The Statue a rock band. I guess it's technically accurate, but it's not really a correct representation of the genre. Really what it reads like is that Soundgarden is too heavy for MAF. If that's the case, then my band probably sounds like a metal/hardcore band, too.
But I'm supposing the point is that is that there is little to no point in playing bands that have been broken up for over a decade, when you could be playing current bands. Fair enough, although there is a healthy case for a counter-argument that kids today lack roots --something that I personally agree with-- and that people with record collections that don't date back past 1998 need to get schooled.
Really, I think the reason that you're hearing a lot of metal and related genres on the local show is that along with hip-hop, those are the scenes that are the most healthy/prolific in Seattle right now.
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Piss-take? I'm not sure what that means, but if it makes you think I'm good bowler, then hell ya! Really though, four comments? Fer the love of god! I kept checking and the new comment never posted, so witness the evolution.
For me, I personally like the occasional older song that I don't hear all the time, and I like Soundgarden. And ya, if my time spent in rehearsal spaces is any indication, the double-bass drum assault of the metal militia is in force. Mind you that I haven't run the stats, but I don't however loud they are, think that metal is making up 50% of the local music scene. 50% of the volume and notes maybe, but not 50% of the scene. Proportional representation is all I'm asking for.
I used to really enjoy the local show, and then when it became three songs of heaviness in a row they lost me. For a while I would listen and think, "ok one more song, one more song." I'd get a brief respite and then, boom! Cookie monster makes his triumphant return.
For me, I personally like the occasional older song that I don't hear all the time, and I like Soundgarden. And ya, if my time spent in rehearsal spaces is any indication, the double-bass drum assault of the metal militia is in force. Mind you that I haven't run the stats, but I don't however loud they are, think that metal is making up 50% of the local music scene. 50% of the volume and notes maybe, but not 50% of the scene. Proportional representation is all I'm asking for.
I used to really enjoy the local show, and then when it became three songs of heaviness in a row they lost me. For a while I would listen and think, "ok one more song, one more song." I'd get a brief respite and then, boom! Cookie monster makes his triumphant return.
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Dear 'Metal as Fuck' at 19,
Since Grandy and KEXP suck so bad, why don't you start your own publication and radio station? Seriously?
Since you obviously know more about music than everyone else.
And I'm sure this is a shitty blog, right?
Since Grandy and KEXP suck so bad, why don't you start your own publication and radio station? Seriously?
Since you obviously know more about music than everyone else.
And I'm sure this is a shitty blog, right?
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I just checked the KEXP NW charts, and there aren't any heavy bands on there. The heaviest band on there is The Fucking Eagles! I think the complaints are a bit exaggerated/unfounded.
I don't think that heavy bands account for 50% of the musicians in Seattle, not by a long shot. But tons of people are showing up for these shows. Approaching 50% of the area's show going audiences? I'm not going to go there, but maybe. There definitely is an audience for this music. I go to quite a few of these shows, and I always notice how full they are.
I personally would rather listen to Black Breath on the radio than Dutchess and the Duke or Fleet Foxes, but that's just me.
Just curious: are you one of those people that doesn't like this kind of music because you "can't understand the words?"
I don't think that heavy bands account for 50% of the musicians in Seattle, not by a long shot. But tons of people are showing up for these shows. Approaching 50% of the area's show going audiences? I'm not going to go there, but maybe. There definitely is an audience for this music. I go to quite a few of these shows, and I always notice how full they are.
I personally would rather listen to Black Breath on the radio than Dutchess and the Duke or Fleet Foxes, but that's just me.
Just curious: are you one of those people that doesn't like this kind of music because you "can't understand the words?"
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At the risk of beating this like a dead horse, I checked out the playlist from last week's Audioasis. Out of 44 songs, 5 or 6 fell roughly into the category of heavy music. Unless you count Telekinesis or Elliot Smith as metal. Get off my lawn.
Let's go ahead and round that up to 14%. Not saying, just saying.
Let's go ahead and round that up to 14%. Not saying, just saying.
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Any chance they can have the show and prevent Hannah from talking? Her, I've been blowing coke since I was 4 and blowing 22 year old drummers since I was 5, voice makes me physically ill every time I hear it.
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good thing there's not any other metal shows on the radio on saturday night that actually have metal DJs that play real metal and not polished hipster shit like Book Of Black Chachas or whatever.....
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JB,
That very well may be the case. Like I said, what I was hearing turned me off and I haven't actually listened to the show in last couple of months.
I may also be painting with too broad of a brush when I say "metal." I'm using the term somewhat generically to describe music on the heavier end of the spectrum. For example, the Murder City Devils or The Whore Moans are not really metal, but they fall closer to that type of music than say Fleet Foxes or the Dutchess and the Duke, or The Hands, or Downpilot, or Red Jacket Mine, or Yogaman Burning Band...
And no, I'm not so much turned off by the not understanding the words but that doesn't help. Lyrics are one of the last things I cue into on a song. I'm more interested in the groove, melody, instrumentation, arrangement, dynamic, overall mix, etc.
That very well may be the case. Like I said, what I was hearing turned me off and I haven't actually listened to the show in last couple of months.
I may also be painting with too broad of a brush when I say "metal." I'm using the term somewhat generically to describe music on the heavier end of the spectrum. For example, the Murder City Devils or The Whore Moans are not really metal, but they fall closer to that type of music than say Fleet Foxes or the Dutchess and the Duke, or The Hands, or Downpilot, or Red Jacket Mine, or Yogaman Burning Band...
And no, I'm not so much turned off by the not understanding the words but that doesn't help. Lyrics are one of the last things I cue into on a song. I'm more interested in the groove, melody, instrumentation, arrangement, dynamic, overall mix, etc.
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The show was awesome. it was fucking perfect and everyone who was bitchy about it can suck a cock.
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If the Whore Moans are "too metal" for you, then you've got bigger problems than KEXP's programming.
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Try reading my last post again. Here, I'll make it easy for you:
What I said:
"For example, the Murder City Devils or The Whore Moans are not really metal..."
What you said:
"If the Whore Moans are "too metal" for you, then you've got bigger problems..."
I'd put them more in the raucous, punk rock influenced genre. And in the case that I didn't like them, which I never said, I don't know that that would be a problem per se.
Go figure.
What I said:
"For example, the Murder City Devils or The Whore Moans are not really metal..."
What you said:
"If the Whore Moans are "too metal" for you, then you've got bigger problems..."
I'd put them more in the raucous, punk rock influenced genre. And in the case that I didn't like them, which I never said, I don't know that that would be a problem per se.
Go figure.
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#16, I totally agree with your letter to KEXP. Just wanted to say that. If this metal show brings more diversity to their playlist, I'm for it. But hopefully it will feature local and underground metal, not just acts like Def Leppard and Iron Maiden.
It's strange that a city with a huge music scene like ours doesn't have more college radio options with younger DJs playing whatever they want, including more lo-fi acts. Part of the problem is KEXP tends to play bands with really well-produced albums, and most of the new local bands can't afford to make that kind of thing. I doubt the Dutchess & the Duke would even be played if they weren't signed to Sub Pop.
Those comments that if you don't like it, you should start your own station are just stupid. I have a career. Doesn't mean I can't wish the great bands I see and love got a little airplay.
It's strange that a city with a huge music scene like ours doesn't have more college radio options with younger DJs playing whatever they want, including more lo-fi acts. Part of the problem is KEXP tends to play bands with really well-produced albums, and most of the new local bands can't afford to make that kind of thing. I doubt the Dutchess & the Duke would even be played if they weren't signed to Sub Pop.
Those comments that if you don't like it, you should start your own station are just stupid. I have a career. Doesn't mean I can't wish the great bands I see and love got a little airplay.
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Marlon - 41,
www.rainydawg.org
www.hollowearthradio.com
www.theseattlesinner.com
I don't think I'm stupid for telling you to start your own radio station or publication. KEXP obviously doesn't cut it for you. Neither does the Stranger.
You have a career, which means you understand what it takes to make a living. Do you think the Stranger and KEXP would do well if they covered and played your kind of metal until you were satisfied? No, they would fail. You are going to be perpetually frustrated with the Stranger and KEXP if you like local and underground metal, it's just not their main concentration.
Save yourself the hassle and quit coming here wanting to read and hear something that's just not going to happen. Go where you can have what you want.
www.rainydawg.org
www.hollowearthradio.com
www.theseattlesinner.com
I don't think I'm stupid for telling you to start your own radio station or publication. KEXP obviously doesn't cut it for you. Neither does the Stranger.
You have a career, which means you understand what it takes to make a living. Do you think the Stranger and KEXP would do well if they covered and played your kind of metal until you were satisfied? No, they would fail. You are going to be perpetually frustrated with the Stranger and KEXP if you like local and underground metal, it's just not their main concentration.
Save yourself the hassle and quit coming here wanting to read and hear something that's just not going to happen. Go where you can have what you want.
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Derek:
I know you said they're not a metal band, but they're still too heavy for what you want to hear on Audioasis. I bet Partman Parthorse must sound like Cannibal Corpse to you.
I know you said they're not a metal band, but they're still too heavy for what you want to hear on Audioasis. I bet Partman Parthorse must sound like Cannibal Corpse to you.
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I looked at the playlist for the show, and while it's better than I expected (nice to see Akimbo kicking it off), there's still some really questionable stuff. I mean I like Queens of the Stone Age as much as the next guy, but they don't belong on the metal show. And really, no matter WHAT your taste, NO ONE likes Static-X. NO ONE. At least just play fucking Ministry.
And just to back up J. Burns, I quit listening to any local shows a long time ago because they didn't play any of this music. Between this and Sonic Reducer, these are the only two programs playing any of the good local bands.
And just to back up J. Burns, I quit listening to any local shows a long time ago because they didn't play any of this music. Between this and Sonic Reducer, these are the only two programs playing any of the good local bands.
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JB,
Fair enough, and again my point is not what my musical tastes are, it's that I didn't think Audioasis has been very representative of the local music scene as a whole. It's not so much that I don't like heavy music, I just don't have the same appreciation as I did in my younger (much) metal and skate punk days.
Partman Parthorse? Isn't that an Enumclaw musical? Really though, I'm not sure I did like them when I went to see what all the fuss was about.
Fair enough, and again my point is not what my musical tastes are, it's that I didn't think Audioasis has been very representative of the local music scene as a whole. It's not so much that I don't like heavy music, I just don't have the same appreciation as I did in my younger (much) metal and skate punk days.
Partman Parthorse? Isn't that an Enumclaw musical? Really though, I'm not sure I did like them when I went to see what all the fuss was about.
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Bunnypuncher - 44,
You mean, Sonic Reducer and Seek and Destroy are the only two programs playing any of the good local bands, THAT YOU LIKE.
It's totally subjective. I hear tons of local bands that I like and I'm fine with KEXP's playlists.
If I was a metal fan, I wouldn't listen to KEXP, because that's not what they play.
So KEXP starts a metal show, and what do you know, you aren't satisfied. What would make you satisfied? Since you know so much about what metal is good and bad, why aren't you hosting the show? Or hosting a show somewhere else?
You mean, Sonic Reducer and Seek and Destroy are the only two programs playing any of the good local bands, THAT YOU LIKE.
It's totally subjective. I hear tons of local bands that I like and I'm fine with KEXP's playlists.
If I was a metal fan, I wouldn't listen to KEXP, because that's not what they play.
So KEXP starts a metal show, and what do you know, you aren't satisfied. What would make you satisfied? Since you know so much about what metal is good and bad, why aren't you hosting the show? Or hosting a show somewhere else?
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@46 - Honestly? I'm too busy being in bands and setting up and promoting shows. I don't REALLY care what gets played on the radio, because I never listen to it. But yeah, if there's a show that's maybe going to play something I'm interested in (local heavy music), I'm going to pay attention and offer some constructive criticism.
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