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Yogurt vs. Mayonnaise
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Greek yogurt is an excellent substitute for sour cream, not mayonnaise.
Not sure I follow the statement about vegetable fat in mayonnaise. Isn't it eggs and oil? Eggs aren't animals yet, but they aren't vegetables.
Not sure I follow the statement about vegetable fat in mayonnaise. Isn't it eggs and oil? Eggs aren't animals yet, but they aren't vegetables.
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How is this even a thing? Bethany, we need to talk about people who eat broken glass instead of saltines.
No, that's not fair. Yogurt is lovely, but it has its place, and that place is not on my sandwich.
As for the animal fat vs. vegetable oil, I saw a recipe for mayonnaise where the guy said you could use pretty much any oil, and I wondered: clarified butter? I'm going to try this someday, in case you were wondering how I'll have died.
No, that's not fair. Yogurt is lovely, but it has its place, and that place is not on my sandwich.
As for the animal fat vs. vegetable oil, I saw a recipe for mayonnaise where the guy said you could use pretty much any oil, and I wondered: clarified butter? I'm going to try this someday, in case you were wondering how I'll have died.
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While I don't know about substituting yogurt for mayonnaise, mayonnaise does have cholesterol saturated animal fats, and monounsaturated fats, all of which are not really good for you. (Monounsaturated fats are linked to insulin resistance, which can cause type II diabetes, and it has been linked to raising bad cholesterol.) Using mayonnaise in moderation isn't so bad. Unfortunately, people tend to use way too much, adding excessive calories to foods.
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lets talk about egg salad the true criminal.
emulsified egg in mayonnaise mixed with cooked egg, that sounds like a medieval punishment.
i also equate those that add mayo to pesto as mass murderers of basil.
emulsified egg in mayonnaise mixed with cooked egg, that sounds like a medieval punishment.
i also equate those that add mayo to pesto as mass murderers of basil.
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#4 Animal fat? Eggs, veggie oil, vinegar, mustard powder, salt. I don't use any animal fat. What recipe are you using when you make your mayo? You BETTER NOT tell me you've NEVER made your own mayo and yet speak with such authority. Now come here and let me hug you deeply into my ample bosom you sexy thyang.
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That saturated fat is bad for you is a lie everyone "knows" to be common-sense. Back in the day, Ancel Keys over-interpreted some data (and left out data from high-saturated-fat-consumers like the Masai, Inuit, and Tokelau, who all have low incidences of heart disease -- convenient!!), and doctors, nutritionists, and the public keep repeating it until it's now as obvious as the "fact" of trickle-down economics. There is, in Keys' famous study, a faint, weak correlation (not necessarily causation) between intake of saturated fat and heart disease, but his methods have been questioned by other scientists and the results have never been reproduced. There is a far greater correlation between sugar intake and heart disease but no one ever wants to hear about that. Go watch Fat Head.
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Dear TVDinner's talking about overall healthfulness of classic mayo having unsaturated fat as its main ingredient, not whether it is more or less virtuous for containing animal product.
It's all about proportion, since mayo is more or less just flavored oil. One cup of oil per egg, type of thing. An egg yolk is about 1/3 animal fat. TVDinner's suggesting it's healthier when mayo's only saturated fat is from the egg. Completely true.
It's all about proportion, since mayo is more or less just flavored oil. One cup of oil per egg, type of thing. An egg yolk is about 1/3 animal fat. TVDinner's suggesting it's healthier when mayo's only saturated fat is from the egg. Completely true.
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@9 And apparently some sugars are worse from you than others. High-fructose corn syrup gets some very bad marks. The story goes that hfcs gets metabolized into fatty acids rather than glucose.
The food industrialization of corn in the 20th century maps pretty neatly to the rise of heart disease. Excessive amounts of omega-6 entered the food supply with corn oil, which also displaced sources of omega-3 and monounsaturateds. Hydrogenation made things much worse, but we're backing away from that now.
Now, corn syrup is definitely getting fingered by large-scale studies as being a major culprit and may well have something to do not only with cardiovascular disease, but with the epidemic of type-II diabetes.
The food industrialization of corn in the 20th century maps pretty neatly to the rise of heart disease. Excessive amounts of omega-6 entered the food supply with corn oil, which also displaced sources of omega-3 and monounsaturateds. Hydrogenation made things much worse, but we're backing away from that now.
Now, corn syrup is definitely getting fingered by large-scale studies as being a major culprit and may well have something to do not only with cardiovascular disease, but with the epidemic of type-II diabetes.
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@14-thank you! Wholeheartedly agree!!! And I make an amazing yogurt coleslaw (with low-fat greek yogurt). When you add a little honey and beer mustard, it's divine, TRUST ME.
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Have you noticed the consistency of Best Foods (Hellmann's) mayonnaise has changed within the last few years?
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Straight substitution while passing it off as the original recipe? Not a good idea.
Adapting an old mayo recipe by using yogurt (and different herbs/seasonings)? Heck yeah!
I don't even use mayo on sandwiches anymore; I'd rather enjoy a more fun source of fat, like a slice of bacon that I can really taste.
I'm curious as to which mayo-replacement people hate more: yogurt or Miracle-Whip.
Adapting an old mayo recipe by using yogurt (and different herbs/seasonings)? Heck yeah!
I don't even use mayo on sandwiches anymore; I'd rather enjoy a more fun source of fat, like a slice of bacon that I can really taste.
I'm curious as to which mayo-replacement people hate more: yogurt or Miracle-Whip.
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Please bear in mind that Slog polls are legally binding and vote responsibly. I want to see a 10k word treatise in an upcoming episode of... The Stranger (yes, I prefer to think of the paper as a serialized drama).
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@9, Yes, the industrialization of corn, but also wheat. Neither are a "vegetable", they are both grains that require a not-insignificant amount of processing just to make them edible, and even then, both are high in calories, and low in actual nutrients (ever wondered why your bread says "fortified with"? it's because on it's own, flour is pure sugar and starch). Both contain compounds we didn't evolve to digest, and it's absolutely ludicrous (and shows just how much say industrial lobbies have over our government) that the FDA's nutritional guidelines push grains so much.
And we as taxpayers subsidize corn and wheat to the tune of billions annually. I'm hopin' and prayin' that the paleo movement gets at least enough mainstream momentum to rid us of those stupid subsidies. If we must subsidize, let's at least do it for foods that are actually good for us.
And we as taxpayers subsidize corn and wheat to the tune of billions annually. I'm hopin' and prayin' that the paleo movement gets at least enough mainstream momentum to rid us of those stupid subsidies. If we must subsidize, let's at least do it for foods that are actually good for us.
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@20: Oh, we dealt (severely) with Miracle Whip not too long ago:
http://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives…
Be sure to click through to the whole comic!
http://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives…
Be sure to click through to the whole comic!
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Don't make it 10K words. Make it 500 words, with a nice side order of creme fraiche verbiage (ooh I love creme fraiche).
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I do like tzatziki sauce, which is made from yogurt. It's primarily used on gyros, but I would probably be good on other things as well. I don't know if it's any lighter than mayo though.
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28,Dairy fat would be considered animal fat as well, as it an animal uses it's body fat to produce the milk's fat content. Cholesterol is found only in fat from animals. If a product has cholesterol, it contains animal fats.
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I cannot vote without an option for the Miracle Whip!
I grew up eating grilled cheese sandwiches with Velveeta and Miracle Whip. It took me years to appreciate the taste and texture of real cheese, but Miracle Whip remains a beloved condiment ... can't stand the taste of mayonnaise.
I grew up eating grilled cheese sandwiches with Velveeta and Miracle Whip. It took me years to appreciate the taste and texture of real cheese, but Miracle Whip remains a beloved condiment ... can't stand the taste of mayonnaise.
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Listen, I'm not slamming Greek yogurt here, I love the stuff, but the best yogurt in existence, as all sentient beings (and beans) are aware, is Tillamook -- as if there's someone unaware of that????
Also, the proper substitute for mayonnaise is Ivar's Tartar Sauce --- everyone knows that!!!!
Also, the proper substitute for mayonnaise is Ivar's Tartar Sauce --- everyone knows that!!!!
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I'm not generally a fan of "healthy" substitutions. What really gets me going is replacing the fat in a recipe with something sweet, like using apple sauce instead of oil in muffins. I put the majority of blame for the obesity "epidemic" on the low-fat/high-carb fad.
That said, yogurt is better for you than mayo. Mayo doesn't have healthy probiotics. And the healthier fat argument is bunk. Generic vegetable oil is worse for you than animal fat.
That said, yogurt is better for you than mayo. Mayo doesn't have healthy probiotics. And the healthier fat argument is bunk. Generic vegetable oil is worse for you than animal fat.
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Nonfat yogurt IS healthier than mayonnaise. And, for people who hate the oiliness of mayo (like myself), a great substitute in regard to all that aoili business. Call me soulless if you want, but I bet you would love my deviled eggs.
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@34: And it tastes awful! Just because they're the same color doesn't mean they're interchangeable, you Philistine!
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@35: It's not the color that makes them interchangeable. It's the consistency. I wouldn't put yogurt on a sandwich, but in an egg or potato salad, with all those spices and other flavors, I bet cash money that most people couldn't tell the difference. Besides, who is just eating plain mayo with a spoon? I fear for that person.
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Straight yogurt for mayo? Not a chance. However take yogurt (thicker styles like greek are better for this) add a little lemon juice, some salt, fresh basil, and roasted garlic and blend together and you have a delicious spread for a sandwich with more flavor and less fat than yogurt. The roasted garlic contains some olive oil so it isn't completely oil free (and hell if you like an oilier spread add a little more olive oil, it's better for you than what's in most commercial mayo). I don't like mayo much even homemade because of the oiliness so my substitute is perfect for me.
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Just to be further nit-picky, yogurt is cultured milk, not cream. I make it in my crock pot at home. Now I want to try making it with cream just to see what would happen.
Oh, and veggie mayos are made with soy lecithin (lecithin is the emulsifier that you get from the egg yolks). Mayo can be a veggie product, but then it seems like it is more processed and gross than just using the animal product.
Oh, and veggie mayos are made with soy lecithin (lecithin is the emulsifier that you get from the egg yolks). Mayo can be a veggie product, but then it seems like it is more processed and gross than just using the animal product.
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@42, yogurt cream is delicious. My local organic farmer co-op makes a delicious no added sugar yogurt with unhomogenized milk and the cream on top is the best part. Then again, Fage Total is pretty much the same thing as yogurt cream...
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@41: Yes yes yes, it has a bit of animal fat in it, but far, far less than so-called "Greek" yogurt. The main ingredient in that shit is cream. Cream! And people like 42 really argue that it's healthier? Pshaw! Read the ingredients.
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@29 Cholesterol is not just in animal products...check your vegetable oil labels. Palm, palm kernel, coconut, cottonseed, soybean, corn, peanut, sunflower, canola, and olive oils all have cholesterol in them.
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