Jan 8, 2012
seawonpr commented on Initiative Would Expand Medical Pot Law.
Wow, NurseMimi! I LOVE YOU and your inititiative! A big heartfelt thanks to you.
Jan 5, 2012
seawonpr commented on The Campaign to Lock Up 13,000 Pot Smokers a Year.
@18 "--It is not reasonable to expect marijuana legalization without some accounting for DUI."
That is an opinion, but it is being stated as fact by I-502 sponsors and supporters. I have a different opinion, that we will have a legalization initiative pass without even mentioning DUIC. It will be in Colorado, sadly not here in WA.
Colorado has just gotten enough signatures to put a legalization bill on the ballot without a DUIC provision in it, and with several other improvements over I-502, like small home grows allowed, similar to small home brews, along with taxing and regulating cannabis. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/03…
@46 "And @44 anyone who thinks that 13% is small number in elections (especially elections separated by 8 points) simply isn't a credible analyst."
Hmmmm, Gnosis, looks like you are the one distorting numbers here. Looking at the report available at NAW's website, there were 54% of people voting no on CA's prop 19, and of those 54%, 13% said DUIC was a concern. So, when you really look at the facts, 13% of the group that opposed prop 19, is really much fewer than you would think. For example: out of 100 people who voted no on prop 19, 13 of them said that DUIC was a concern for them.
NotSpicoli @52 your characterisation of the patients against I-502 is inaccurate. We are concerned about the rights of all unimpaired drivers, whether they be patients, recreational users or minors. To create a law that will make unimpaired drivers guilty of DUIC as I-502 has done, goes against the grain of many people that do not believe in prohibition of cannabis, including national reformers. I am heartened by your claims to have learned so much from such notables as Jeffrey Steinborn, as well as Troy Barber. Both of them have earned such respect, and they have genuine concerns about I-502.
Although I really like all of Troy Barber's exceptionally accurate and informational posts, I most agree with @3 "Bottom line - this initiative won't pass without near-unanimous support from the pro-pot crowd, which means it won't pass. Any pot smokers who are locked up for possession can thank Dom Holden and Alison Holcombe for two huge fuck ups: 1) not getting behind Sensible Washington's initiative a couple of years ago, and 2) wasting time and money on this piece of shit."
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That is an opinion, but it is being stated as fact by I-502 sponsors and supporters. I have a different opinion, that we will have a legalization initiative pass without even mentioning DUIC. It will be in Colorado, sadly not here in WA.
Colorado has just gotten enough signatures to put a legalization bill on the ballot without a DUIC provision in it, and with several other improvements over I-502, like small home grows allowed, similar to small home brews, along with taxing and regulating cannabis. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/03…
@46 "And @44 anyone who thinks that 13% is small number in elections (especially elections separated by 8 points) simply isn't a credible analyst."
Hmmmm, Gnosis, looks like you are the one distorting numbers here. Looking at the report available at NAW's website, there were 54% of people voting no on CA's prop 19, and of those 54%, 13% said DUIC was a concern. So, when you really look at the facts, 13% of the group that opposed prop 19, is really much fewer than you would think. For example: out of 100 people who voted no on prop 19, 13 of them said that DUIC was a concern for them.
NotSpicoli @52 your characterisation of the patients against I-502 is inaccurate. We are concerned about the rights of all unimpaired drivers, whether they be patients, recreational users or minors. To create a law that will make unimpaired drivers guilty of DUIC as I-502 has done, goes against the grain of many people that do not believe in prohibition of cannabis, including national reformers. I am heartened by your claims to have learned so much from such notables as Jeffrey Steinborn, as well as Troy Barber. Both of them have earned such respect, and they have genuine concerns about I-502.
Although I really like all of Troy Barber's exceptionally accurate and informational posts, I most agree with @3 "Bottom line - this initiative won't pass without near-unanimous support from the pro-pot crowd, which means it won't pass. Any pot smokers who are locked up for possession can thank Dom Holden and Alison Holcombe for two huge fuck ups: 1) not getting behind Sensible Washington's initiative a couple of years ago, and 2) wasting time and money on this piece of shit."
Dec 2, 2011
seawonpr commented on Physician Perspective: I-502 Betrays Medical Marijuana.
Ever heard of the "pot fairy?" Where does your cannabis come from? Currently, recreational users in our state aquire it from the "pot fairy." You could call them "Ma and Pa." , or it could be weed that was smuggled in from other countries, or grown by gangs right here. The point is, that it has an origin, and most recreational users do not care about that source, rarely think about it. This post is for the ":Ma and Pa" fairy's, and the few of you recreational users that may know them personally, and the people that have a small personal grow. Read the sections of I-502 concerning unauthorized growing and the forfeiture laws. In the forfeiture section, viable cannabis, as well as property, can be sold, and the seizing agency will get to keep 90% of the proceeds. Small personal grows, as well as Ma and Pa's that don't register with the state could then become the target of local law enforcement to seize and then "sell that which is not required to be destroyed by law and which is not harmful to the public". If I-502 passes, it is most likely that it will be federally pre-empted and the distribution centers are unlikely to materialize. What recreational users will be left with is the ability to legally possess one and a half ounces of cannabis, our local law enforcement will have been granted new tools to search and sieze personal grows and Ma and Pa grows, and you will be left with the pot fairy. Also, if you get pulled over for a tail light out after you've visited the pot fairy and you car smells like pot, that is reasonable grounds for assuming impairment, and you will most likely not be under 5 nanograms when they draw your blood and anaylize it. Have you ever had yours tested, and are you ready to gamble that this does not affect you recreational users? That will leave you with an expernsive mess that will take years to recover from, even if you were not impaired when you drove. No on I-502
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Oct 31, 2011
seawonpr commented on High-pocrisy.
Thank you, Troy, for your constant efforts, and for making so much sense in your comments and providing links, and staying positive.
Oct 21, 2011
seawonpr commented on Effort to Oppose the I-502 Legalization Campaign Led By... Medical-Marijuana Patients?.
@26 you say "Without that DUI provision it might not had a chance at passing...."
That is an opinion that is being forwarded by the promoters of this initiative. In reality, that DUI provision will be the fatal flaw, and this "legalization initiative" will not pass because of it.
That is an opinion that is being forwarded by the promoters of this initiative. In reality, that DUI provision will be the fatal flaw, and this "legalization initiative" will not pass because of it.
Oct 20, 2011
seawonpr commented on Effort to Oppose the I-502 Legalization Campaign Led By... Medical-Marijuana Patients?.
Current state law for possession is a misdemeanor for up to 40 grams. Under this bill, anything over 28 grams is a FELONY!
Why was this necessary?
What possible reason could you have for making penalties harsher than current state law?
Can you see where some may question the ethical standards of I-502's author(s) and supporters?
Why was this necessary?
What possible reason could you have for making penalties harsher than current state law?
Can you see where some may question the ethical standards of I-502's author(s) and supporters?
Oct 20, 2011
seawonpr joined My Stranger Face
Oct 20, 2011
seawonpr commented on Effort to Oppose the I-502 Legalization Campaign Led By... Medical-Marijuana Patients?.
The feds will not go for this and will come in to stop the legal cannabis stores where people are supposed to go buy their ounces. If that happened, all we would be left with is 28 grams decriminalized, but no legal way to produce it or purchase it, and the DUI nanogram limit that is "0" for anyone under the age of 21, and "5" for anyone over the age of 21.
I have been keeping up with the Patients against New Approach Washington through their facebook paqe for several months now, and I really have not seen any patients comment that they are concerned, as this article points out, that this law only allows adults to buy and possess one ounce of pot. I haven't noticed any comments about the fact that I-502 doesn't allow people to grow pot at home, either, like this article claims. Patients know they would be unaffected by these issues, so it seems disingenuous that these items are included in the list of the patients concerns.
You are correct that Patients Against New Approach Washington are very concerned about the DUI part, and we thank you very much for the plug for our website! We are very disappointed that the writers and funders of this law have decided that patients in our state have to lose more of their rights in trade for a law that will not accurately test for impairment. What is frustrating as a patient, is being told to accept this loss of my rights when the reason I have to lose this right is a fraud, and the writers and the funders know this. There is no basis in science that can show a patient is impaired at 5 nanograms, but it was added to the law to ease voters fears, so the law can pass. Promoters of I-502 claim that law enforcement need probable cause to pull someone over, but a tail light out can get you pulled over, and patients frequently smell of cannabis, having recently picked up their medication, so the smell alone is enough to give police reason to believe the patient may be intoxicated, prompting a blood test. As the article points out, the way most of this will be handled is the same as it is now, that is not what would be changed. What would change is that the patient who would most likely test higher than 5 nanograms will no longer have a defense from being guilty of a DUI as they do currently, because currently there is no amount specified for a limit.
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I have been keeping up with the Patients against New Approach Washington through their facebook paqe for several months now, and I really have not seen any patients comment that they are concerned, as this article points out, that this law only allows adults to buy and possess one ounce of pot. I haven't noticed any comments about the fact that I-502 doesn't allow people to grow pot at home, either, like this article claims. Patients know they would be unaffected by these issues, so it seems disingenuous that these items are included in the list of the patients concerns.
You are correct that Patients Against New Approach Washington are very concerned about the DUI part, and we thank you very much for the plug for our website! We are very disappointed that the writers and funders of this law have decided that patients in our state have to lose more of their rights in trade for a law that will not accurately test for impairment. What is frustrating as a patient, is being told to accept this loss of my rights when the reason I have to lose this right is a fraud, and the writers and the funders know this. There is no basis in science that can show a patient is impaired at 5 nanograms, but it was added to the law to ease voters fears, so the law can pass. Promoters of I-502 claim that law enforcement need probable cause to pull someone over, but a tail light out can get you pulled over, and patients frequently smell of cannabis, having recently picked up their medication, so the smell alone is enough to give police reason to believe the patient may be intoxicated, prompting a blood test. As the article points out, the way most of this will be handled is the same as it is now, that is not what would be changed. What would change is that the patient who would most likely test higher than 5 nanograms will no longer have a defense from being guilty of a DUI as they do currently, because currently there is no amount specified for a limit.
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