Goatwhiner
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Nov 7, 2012 Goatwhiner commented on HOLY SHIT!!! Washington State Legalizes Marijuana!.
happy 502!
Jan 21, 2012 Goatwhiner commented on Vacating Occupy Seattle.
What until the spring..
Jan 14, 2012 Goatwhiner commented on Vacating Occupy Seattle.
I think a major of us would probably ask for a piss test from Luke Skywalker before the Death Star was attacked.
Jan 12, 2012 Goatwhiner commented on Vacating Occupy Seattle.
I think all this discussion is redonkulous. Are non-violent protests or violent action effective "game changers" right now? Answers to both- probably not. Not even if they were working together (lol).
Maybe violent action would be effective if 1,000+ banks were burned to the ground (instead of 1/4 of one). If you grab CEO's children and press pistols to their temples demanding "change". Through that violence a very real conversation could happen with a good chance for positive change, at least from our current situation, but those willing or even capable of carrying out "acts" is startling limited. The crop of "violent" folks around are the paint bomb, noise-ordinance violating offenders than professional guerillas engaged in combat- I wouldn't worry churches or Chinese invaders.

Non-violent protest can be effective if actual protests happened and involved actual numbers- instead of a few hundred community activists in the rain at Westlake, envaporating with a firm municipal shove. Non-violent protest especially depends on media converge, violent action couldn't possibly be ignored.

Imagine if the OWS protest numbers from early fall held and those involved just..stayed (no matter what). Occupied, took the police brutality, came back no matter what--sacrificed. They would still be a force, a wonderful non-violent success, but they.. quit. And quiters (no matter the reasons, excuses) just don't win.

Nothing at the moment is auspicious, glorious or simply on-going.
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Jan 12, 2012 Goatwhiner commented on Vacating Occupy Seattle.
I think all this discussion is redonkulous. Are non-violent protests or violent action effective "game changers". Answers to both- probably not.
Violent action would be effective if 1,000+ banks were burned to the ground. That violence would force a very real conversation with a good chance for positive change, at least from the current quo.
Non-violent tactics can and would be effective if actual protests happened and involved actual numbers- instead of a few hundred "invisible" communtiy activits in the rain at westlake. Non-violent protest especially depends on media converge, violent action couldn't possibley be ignored.

But what is happening on any front is neither ospicious, glorious or on-going (GA's and promises don't count). What ever happens in the spring or summer please drop the "Occupy" moniker- it's time for re-invention (OWS has plenty of baggage at this point), there's no need for nostagia - it's time to drop it. Me personally? I will be forming a band of merry-men called "Pissed off Personages" a food fighting unit (throwing rooten food at legit targets). I will leave all the discussion to the slog on whether or not it was police-informants who gave us the idea in the first place.
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