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- What song do you never want to hear again?: Don't know. I blocked it from my mind
- What song or movie makes you cry?: Second Hand Lions
- Dicks or Vaginas
- What book have you read the most?: Bible
- Vampire or Zombie
Frankzzzz Getting a drink and going to bed.
May 3, 2012
Frankzzzz commented on Testaments Old & New.
Where does the scriptures say your sins are weighted against your merits?
May 3, 2012
Frankzzzz commented on Testaments Old & New.
Ean
You are partially right. The Bible suggests a checklist (you word not mine), the Law, which No person COULD adhere to. That was the whole purpose of the Old Covenant - to show us that we cannot have salvation through our own actions. The New Covenant shows us we can have salvation through the grace of Christ Jesus.
You are partially right. The Bible suggests a checklist (you word not mine), the Law, which No person COULD adhere to. That was the whole purpose of the Old Covenant - to show us that we cannot have salvation through our own actions. The New Covenant shows us we can have salvation through the grace of Christ Jesus.
May 3, 2012
Frankzzzz commented on Testaments Old & New.
Futunate:
You didn't say exactly what I predicted, but not too far off. Kinda ironic - maybe I have more sense than you give me credit for.
You are doing exactly what you claim I am doing - negating my personal experiences I have had through Christianity. You can't just let me believe what I have chosen to believe, because my choice offends you.
Even if I don't directly insult you or attack you in any way. How is that different from gay bashers who want to force you to abide by their beliefs?
I have already seen it posted here many times, that Christians shouldn't be allowed to believe what they chose (I'm paraphrasing). Christianity should come to an end, etc. That is called hypocrisy, no matter how you word it. You believe that you have the right to your own set of morals, but are intolerant of mine,
You claim that gays know best about gays. But that gays also know best about Christians. If you can't see the attitude of superiority, prejudice and intolerance in that, then I don't know what to say, I truly believe that intolerance only leads tp more intolerance. There are certainly intolerant (so-called) Christians that bring out anger in others. I believe that intolerance towards Christians also brings out anger in response. If you expect Christians to just say, "yes you are so much more
superior than me" and to abandon their faith, then your expectations are unrealistic. What happens in five years when Christians don't change their beliefs to suit you. More insults? More attacks? What do you think the results will be? When will it stop? Is this what everyone wants?
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You didn't say exactly what I predicted, but not too far off. Kinda ironic - maybe I have more sense than you give me credit for.
You are doing exactly what you claim I am doing - negating my personal experiences I have had through Christianity. You can't just let me believe what I have chosen to believe, because my choice offends you.
Even if I don't directly insult you or attack you in any way. How is that different from gay bashers who want to force you to abide by their beliefs?
I have already seen it posted here many times, that Christians shouldn't be allowed to believe what they chose (I'm paraphrasing). Christianity should come to an end, etc. That is called hypocrisy, no matter how you word it. You believe that you have the right to your own set of morals, but are intolerant of mine,
You claim that gays know best about gays. But that gays also know best about Christians. If you can't see the attitude of superiority, prejudice and intolerance in that, then I don't know what to say, I truly believe that intolerance only leads tp more intolerance. There are certainly intolerant (so-called) Christians that bring out anger in others. I believe that intolerance towards Christians also brings out anger in response. If you expect Christians to just say, "yes you are so much more
superior than me" and to abandon their faith, then your expectations are unrealistic. What happens in five years when Christians don't change their beliefs to suit you. More insults? More attacks? What do you think the results will be? When will it stop? Is this what everyone wants?
May 3, 2012
Frankzzzz Getting a drink and going to bed.
May 3, 2012
Frankzzzz Getting a drink and going to bed.
May 3, 2012
Frankzzzz commented on Testaments Old & New.
As far as what Megaera said about hate being too strong a word for reefing to actions:
I guess I can see that when people deal with real haters a lot. While I'm not claiming to have gone through what people here have experienced, I can tell you that I do have to worry about what I say. Even though I work at a university in the South, it really is a very liberal place and I do worry about how some of my coworkers view me and get offendEd just by me being a Christian. I honestly don't shove it in anyone's face, but that doesn't really matter to some people. I am inherently evil because I am a Christian. It's not a big deal what they think about meas a person, but I worry more what they think of Christians.
Even though there are different aspects about the intensity of the word hate, I really do "hate" some of the actions of my oldest son and in this case, it is a pretty strong hate. I hate (with a passion) that he is wasting his abilities and hate even more that my wife and I are largely responsible. Too much to explain well, but it's not one of those cases where I'm an unreasonable dad who wants my 21 year old son to be perfect. He is extremely smart, but extremely lazy, and always has an excuse. It's usually the professors fault. Those damn professors always give him bad instructions, badly word exams and quizzes, expect too much, or have an accent that he can't understand. I don't care if he is a mechanic, a farmer, an artist, or a doctor. But I really hate to see him waste opportunities to succeed at whatever he wants, and I worry that unless and until he stops blaimng everyone else, he will succeed at nothing. He has a lot of wonderful traits, but his tendency to blame everyone else dominates his life. My health is not good and I worry what will happen to him if I die soon.
I also have an 18 year old son who had/has learning disabilities (tourette's and dislexia) hates school and has a 3.7 GPA in high school. By the way, he is also very doubtful about Christianity, "hates" the concept of hell, but has the best work ethic of anyone I know. He is iin excellent phisical condition because of his self-discipline. Him, I'm not too worried about, because I believe that anyone who honestly searches for truth will find it. Just told you about this one to show you I'm not an unreasonable republican (not any kind of republican) who expects my oldest son to do things just to suit me. I also have a 16 year old son and a 9 year old daughter. Just told you that because it's part of who I am - and I'm very proud of all my kids, even the slack one.
Maybe this is TMI. I don't know if this illustrates what I mean when I use the word "hate" in refering to actions, but still loving the person.
I do enjoy discussing things with you all. I think if people thoughtfully discuss issues, it helps them to reexamine and refine their beliefs.
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I guess I can see that when people deal with real haters a lot. While I'm not claiming to have gone through what people here have experienced, I can tell you that I do have to worry about what I say. Even though I work at a university in the South, it really is a very liberal place and I do worry about how some of my coworkers view me and get offendEd just by me being a Christian. I honestly don't shove it in anyone's face, but that doesn't really matter to some people. I am inherently evil because I am a Christian. It's not a big deal what they think about meas a person, but I worry more what they think of Christians.
Even though there are different aspects about the intensity of the word hate, I really do "hate" some of the actions of my oldest son and in this case, it is a pretty strong hate. I hate (with a passion) that he is wasting his abilities and hate even more that my wife and I are largely responsible. Too much to explain well, but it's not one of those cases where I'm an unreasonable dad who wants my 21 year old son to be perfect. He is extremely smart, but extremely lazy, and always has an excuse. It's usually the professors fault. Those damn professors always give him bad instructions, badly word exams and quizzes, expect too much, or have an accent that he can't understand. I don't care if he is a mechanic, a farmer, an artist, or a doctor. But I really hate to see him waste opportunities to succeed at whatever he wants, and I worry that unless and until he stops blaimng everyone else, he will succeed at nothing. He has a lot of wonderful traits, but his tendency to blame everyone else dominates his life. My health is not good and I worry what will happen to him if I die soon.
I also have an 18 year old son who had/has learning disabilities (tourette's and dislexia) hates school and has a 3.7 GPA in high school. By the way, he is also very doubtful about Christianity, "hates" the concept of hell, but has the best work ethic of anyone I know. He is iin excellent phisical condition because of his self-discipline. Him, I'm not too worried about, because I believe that anyone who honestly searches for truth will find it. Just told you about this one to show you I'm not an unreasonable republican (not any kind of republican) who expects my oldest son to do things just to suit me. I also have a 16 year old son and a 9 year old daughter. Just told you that because it's part of who I am - and I'm very proud of all my kids, even the slack one.
Maybe this is TMI. I don't know if this illustrates what I mean when I use the word "hate" in refering to actions, but still loving the person.
I do enjoy discussing things with you all. I think if people thoughtfully discuss issues, it helps them to reexamine and refine their beliefs.
May 3, 2012
Frankzzzz commented on Testaments Old & New.
Kim
Sorry about your eyes. My eyesight sucks pretty bad but isn't as bad as yours. After years of doctors telling me that it was just allergies, they finally discovered that I have an irregular astigmatism that can't be corrected by glasses because of something to do with the distance between the lens and my eyes. Contacts fix me right up, but I have a lot of irritation with my eyes, which are allergies and I can't stand to wear contacts sometimes. I do a lot of typos and people usually make fun of me. Then I reply and ask them how is that English degree working out - which usually results in more insults - from English teachers.
Anyway, thanks for your comments.
You guys are helping me look at thongs differently. No not thongs - things. Damn eyes!
I would like to respond to your comments about choices, but if I tried right now, I would not be able to explain myself well - because that is a completely different discussion that would take me a whike t get into.
The biggest issue that I have about any of what you guys have said is that if I say "I don't believe being gay is a choice", no matter what my actions actually are, I beleive the response would be that I am a closed minded Christian and a horrible person because of my beliefs. In that respect, I think my right to my own beliefs is being disregarded. I think that is very much like me saying gays have no right to believe certain things. I may disagree, but I would never claim gays had no right to believe what they want to, I think this may be what Tim is trying to say, but I'm not sure. I am going on about 1/3 of the sleep I need for the last 3 days and your West Coast time doesn't help. The first time I posted a comment here - a few days ago - I thought it was about 2:00 am because of the timestamp on the comment, then I looked at the time and couldn't figure out how I lost 3 hours. It took me two days to figure it out, Duh!
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Sorry about your eyes. My eyesight sucks pretty bad but isn't as bad as yours. After years of doctors telling me that it was just allergies, they finally discovered that I have an irregular astigmatism that can't be corrected by glasses because of something to do with the distance between the lens and my eyes. Contacts fix me right up, but I have a lot of irritation with my eyes, which are allergies and I can't stand to wear contacts sometimes. I do a lot of typos and people usually make fun of me. Then I reply and ask them how is that English degree working out - which usually results in more insults - from English teachers.
Anyway, thanks for your comments.
You guys are helping me look at thongs differently. No not thongs - things. Damn eyes!
I would like to respond to your comments about choices, but if I tried right now, I would not be able to explain myself well - because that is a completely different discussion that would take me a whike t get into.
The biggest issue that I have about any of what you guys have said is that if I say "I don't believe being gay is a choice", no matter what my actions actually are, I beleive the response would be that I am a closed minded Christian and a horrible person because of my beliefs. In that respect, I think my right to my own beliefs is being disregarded. I think that is very much like me saying gays have no right to believe certain things. I may disagree, but I would never claim gays had no right to believe what they want to, I think this may be what Tim is trying to say, but I'm not sure. I am going on about 1/3 of the sleep I need for the last 3 days and your West Coast time doesn't help. The first time I posted a comment here - a few days ago - I thought it was about 2:00 am because of the timestamp on the comment, then I looked at the time and couldn't figure out how I lost 3 hours. It took me two days to figure it out, Duh!
May 3, 2012
Frankzzzz commented on Testaments Old & New.
Fortunate
My appologies. No, I'm afraid I didn't notice that you qualified you statement son Chrisitans seval times. This wasn't intentional or careless. I currently use my iPad when I am at home, and I have to scroll back and forth when looking at comments and posting my own. Also your original response to me did say "If Christians don't want non-Christians to...they should.." and other statements that weren't qualified. I wasn't trying to be selective in what I was responding to - those comments probably drew my attention more quickly.
One thing that this makes me realize though, is how utterly difficult it is to discuss some things - especially on line. I try to be very careful when I make statements so I don't inadvertently attribute actions to all of some group. You likewise, shouldn't have to walk on eggshells to have a conversation. Unfortunately, our society has got to the point where it is easy for people to really misunderstand someone's intention - and this is probably due to the actions of haters that are constantly on the loose.
It's also due to this technology which is both a blessing and a curse. I pretty much hate computers even though I am an academic advisor in a computer science department and teach computer science course. I'm just a peon - not a faculty member.
Anyway I do appreciate you effort to explain things to me. And I do understand what you mean when you say that being gay is who you are. (not sure if that was your exact words). I don't know if I can clarify my thoughts, but I'll try. As far as hating the sin and loving the sinner : People who say they hate your actions, but not you are not looking at you actions as being part of you, even if you define yourself in this manner. That being the case, can you then understand that they can in fact hate your actions and still love you, because they are making a distinction that you aren't? If they agreed that your actions were an intricate part of you, then they wouldn't be able to say that.
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My appologies. No, I'm afraid I didn't notice that you qualified you statement son Chrisitans seval times. This wasn't intentional or careless. I currently use my iPad when I am at home, and I have to scroll back and forth when looking at comments and posting my own. Also your original response to me did say "If Christians don't want non-Christians to...they should.." and other statements that weren't qualified. I wasn't trying to be selective in what I was responding to - those comments probably drew my attention more quickly.
One thing that this makes me realize though, is how utterly difficult it is to discuss some things - especially on line. I try to be very careful when I make statements so I don't inadvertently attribute actions to all of some group. You likewise, shouldn't have to walk on eggshells to have a conversation. Unfortunately, our society has got to the point where it is easy for people to really misunderstand someone's intention - and this is probably due to the actions of haters that are constantly on the loose.
It's also due to this technology which is both a blessing and a curse. I pretty much hate computers even though I am an academic advisor in a computer science department and teach computer science course. I'm just a peon - not a faculty member.
Anyway I do appreciate you effort to explain things to me. And I do understand what you mean when you say that being gay is who you are. (not sure if that was your exact words). I don't know if I can clarify my thoughts, but I'll try. As far as hating the sin and loving the sinner : People who say they hate your actions, but not you are not looking at you actions as being part of you, even if you define yourself in this manner. That being the case, can you then understand that they can in fact hate your actions and still love you, because they are making a distinction that you aren't? If they agreed that your actions were an intricate part of you, then they wouldn't be able to say that.
May 2, 2012
Frankzzzz commented on Testaments Old & New.
Fortunate
I do understand what you are saying - but I simply disagree. You just blew off my comment about my children but this is very relevant to what you are claiming. Are you telling me you have no one close to you that you love, who does things that you hate? If you make that claim then you are not really close to someone.
The same way I can hate something one of my kids does without hating them, I can also hate the actions of others without hating them. If you think that being gay is the only thing that defines you, then I think you are selling yourself short and ignoring a lot of yourself. We are all complicated beings and although I take pride in being a father, I am also a lot more than that. I do realize that we decide how we "want" to be define, but we are still much more than that.
And it's not semantics when you say e word "Christians" and attack the whole group of Christians. I've never even posted what I actually think of gays, but I am a Christian and when you insult all Christians, you insult me.
I do think you could say you hated the actions of Christians but don't hate the people, but that has not actually been stated that way here. Instead it is Chriistians this and Christians that. You don't even bother to say "some Christians". I have known several gays that were criminals. If I simply said that gays were criminals, are you telling me I wouldn't catch a bunch of crap?
You want all the benefit of the doubt while you give none. And if you simp,y address the first point I said about my children then you will have your answer about me. Instead you bailed with a lame comment that you have " no idea of what I think of my kids." You want an honest discussion of do you want to play games?
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I do understand what you are saying - but I simply disagree. You just blew off my comment about my children but this is very relevant to what you are claiming. Are you telling me you have no one close to you that you love, who does things that you hate? If you make that claim then you are not really close to someone.
The same way I can hate something one of my kids does without hating them, I can also hate the actions of others without hating them. If you think that being gay is the only thing that defines you, then I think you are selling yourself short and ignoring a lot of yourself. We are all complicated beings and although I take pride in being a father, I am also a lot more than that. I do realize that we decide how we "want" to be define, but we are still much more than that.
And it's not semantics when you say e word "Christians" and attack the whole group of Christians. I've never even posted what I actually think of gays, but I am a Christian and when you insult all Christians, you insult me.
I do think you could say you hated the actions of Christians but don't hate the people, but that has not actually been stated that way here. Instead it is Chriistians this and Christians that. You don't even bother to say "some Christians". I have known several gays that were criminals. If I simply said that gays were criminals, are you telling me I wouldn't catch a bunch of crap?
You want all the benefit of the doubt while you give none. And if you simp,y address the first point I said about my children then you will have your answer about me. Instead you bailed with a lame comment that you have " no idea of what I think of my kids." You want an honest discussion of do you want to play games?
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If someone believes that they only need to do more good stuff than bad stuff:
1) how could anyone have any idea what their standing is?
2) this could lead to careless transgressions based on the belief you can later make amends by working the soup kitchen an extra day.
I am not mocking your belief. The new testament also speak against "continuing in sin" or sinning with the belief that it's no big deal because you will be forgiven.
Hebrews 10:26-27
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice of sins is left But only a fearful expectation of judgement And of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.