Nov 20
in-frequent commented on "Let his days be few... Let his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.".
Nov 18
in-frequent commented on "Let his days be few... Let his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.".
When a lefty says "kill Bush" it seems like venting and nothing more; when a righty invokes the Bible and prays for the death of Obama, it's much more sinister to me.
see, i would agree mostly, but at the same time hardly. when i hear it from either side i usually think it is venting and nothing more. usually you know the people who say it who are on your side, which makes a world of difference. because of my CC past, i still know a ton of CCs, and am still in contact with many of them. as a whole all of them that i know (who are almost all against gay-right, obama, etc...) make absolutely no death threats against obama, and when they make jokes about him they mean them as nothing more. strangely similar to those on the left i know who were very dissatisfied with W.
i just showed the bumper sticker to a CC friend of mine who gave his initial impressions. he thought it was a stupid joke typical of christians and their inability to be timely and funny. he didn't see the death threat angle at all, and was a little disappointed that some christians were once again putting forward a negative image instead of promoting a positive one.
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see, i would agree mostly, but at the same time hardly. when i hear it from either side i usually think it is venting and nothing more. usually you know the people who say it who are on your side, which makes a world of difference. because of my CC past, i still know a ton of CCs, and am still in contact with many of them. as a whole all of them that i know (who are almost all against gay-right, obama, etc...) make absolutely no death threats against obama, and when they make jokes about him they mean them as nothing more. strangely similar to those on the left i know who were very dissatisfied with W.
i just showed the bumper sticker to a CC friend of mine who gave his initial impressions. he thought it was a stupid joke typical of christians and their inability to be timely and funny. he didn't see the death threat angle at all, and was a little disappointed that some christians were once again putting forward a negative image instead of promoting a positive one.
Nov 18
in-frequent commented on "Let his days be few... Let his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.".
@44 hmmm.... let me take a stab at dissecting this a little. i agree with most of what you say in your post, but disagree with it almost as much.
first you say that you don't think "that stuff" is in the same league as t-shirts for sale, etc... i agree, they are not in the same league in two ways:
1) the t-shirts are being widely disseminated in a way that differs significantly from a few signs.
2) the t-shirts are not meant a veiled threats AT ALL.
note: i only posted that link because you commented in 39, "no insult hurled at W could be interpreted as a death threat."
later, you write, "They are batshit crazy." i disagree. while i do not agree with their side of the story, they are not batshit crazy. most of them do not want to assassinate the president (batshit crazy) or want him to be assassinated (shit crazy) or would be happy if he was assassinated (crazy) or would even think it was a good thing were he to be.
i know people who think this sort of thing is funny. they are not crazy. they are conservative republicans who are making a joke. these are not veiled threats.
your last sentence has me agreeing and disagreeing as well when you say "about Obama than those who felt that way about W." yeah, more people probably really want to assassinate obama than people who wanted to assassinate W. but were are still talking small numbers across the nation. these bumper stickers are not the sign of those who want to assassinate. those crazies are either insane, in a radical supremacist group, or are subversive enough to hide their agenda.
i agree that this anti-obama stuff does get some serious attention, but certainly not more than the pro-obama merchandising we've seen.
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first you say that you don't think "that stuff" is in the same league as t-shirts for sale, etc... i agree, they are not in the same league in two ways:
1) the t-shirts are being widely disseminated in a way that differs significantly from a few signs.
2) the t-shirts are not meant a veiled threats AT ALL.
note: i only posted that link because you commented in 39, "no insult hurled at W could be interpreted as a death threat."
later, you write, "They are batshit crazy." i disagree. while i do not agree with their side of the story, they are not batshit crazy. most of them do not want to assassinate the president (batshit crazy) or want him to be assassinated (shit crazy) or would be happy if he was assassinated (crazy) or would even think it was a good thing were he to be.
i know people who think this sort of thing is funny. they are not crazy. they are conservative republicans who are making a joke. these are not veiled threats.
your last sentence has me agreeing and disagreeing as well when you say "about Obama than those who felt that way about W." yeah, more people probably really want to assassinate obama than people who wanted to assassinate W. but were are still talking small numbers across the nation. these bumper stickers are not the sign of those who want to assassinate. those crazies are either insane, in a radical supremacist group, or are subversive enough to hide their agenda.
i agree that this anti-obama stuff does get some serious attention, but certainly not more than the pro-obama merchandising we've seen.
Nov 18
in-frequent commented on "Let his days be few... Let his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.".
@39: http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621
i really don't think the people behind this intend it as a death threat. and as a joke, it can really only loosely incite someone. specifically, by that i mean the person would have to be so crazy already that this could not have any noticeable affect.
i really don't think the people behind this intend it as a death threat. and as a joke, it can really only loosely incite someone. specifically, by that i mean the person would have to be so crazy already that this could not have any noticeable affect.
Nov 18
in-frequent commented on Feeling Sorry for Carrie Prejean.
@59/Judah's comment: this is a tough one to say. NOM does not really hold favor with the CCs either... they are just on the same team. NOM is distancing themselves from CP because they realize how it plays in the media but CCs don't play well in the media anyway. (hence teabaggers!)
CP's favor with the CCs depends on two things: 1) is the sin struggle CP faces a "normal" and "good" struggle, and 2) is she being completely honest now. the struggle is a normal and good one, by their def. it is not killing your kids, for instance. even being gay is considered a fairly "good" sin these days, as long as you want to repent. but on issue 2, is she being honest now? the new tapes could play either way. but since CP was not forthcoming about ALL her numerous past mistakes out there, it will likely not play well for her.
the way she needed to play this was by saying she used to be a sinner, and was caught up in the ways of the world. it wasn't, however, until the pageant that she was forced to decide for herself which way she would lead her life: continuing with her own hidden sins, or embrace the ways of the world entirely. but she chose to be a spokesperson without being entirely honest, which is something that doesn't play well with the CCs. note: she can still come to the alter, repent, and win some favor back, though.
i don't feel sorry for her. she does come across as both mean-spirited and as not fully understanding the issues she is attempting to address.
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CP's favor with the CCs depends on two things: 1) is the sin struggle CP faces a "normal" and "good" struggle, and 2) is she being completely honest now. the struggle is a normal and good one, by their def. it is not killing your kids, for instance. even being gay is considered a fairly "good" sin these days, as long as you want to repent. but on issue 2, is she being honest now? the new tapes could play either way. but since CP was not forthcoming about ALL her numerous past mistakes out there, it will likely not play well for her.
the way she needed to play this was by saying she used to be a sinner, and was caught up in the ways of the world. it wasn't, however, until the pageant that she was forced to decide for herself which way she would lead her life: continuing with her own hidden sins, or embrace the ways of the world entirely. but she chose to be a spokesperson without being entirely honest, which is something that doesn't play well with the CCs. note: she can still come to the alter, repent, and win some favor back, though.
i don't feel sorry for her. she does come across as both mean-spirited and as not fully understanding the issues she is attempting to address.
Nov 18
in-frequent commented on "Let his days be few... Let his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.".
when he asks, where are those denouncing terrorism? i can't help but wonder, are words the same as terrorism? sometimes yes, sometimes no. but i think these psalm 109:8 are meant as a joke. days are numbered is slang and can easily refer to his days in office, and that sort of obvious-single-verse-out-of-context humor is popular within conservative christian circles.
i agree with, chris hansen, a staff attorney with the ACLU, when he says, "The use of Psalm 109:8 is ambiguous as to whether its users are calling for the President to serve “only one term, or less than one term." deborah lauter, director of civil rights at the Anti-Defamation League agrees that the bumper sticker falls within acceptable political discourse." For it to be considered hate speech, it “would advocate actual violence or cite scripture that was more clear in its message.” (http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2…)
it's like the right criticizing che t-shirts, and saying the left will justify killing as a means to an end. you really have to believe there are mass amounts of seriously crazy, gun-toting, christians out there to believe this will be harmful. instead, i think it was just a joke that, because of the actual context, may be considered inappropriate by some.
but what's with that audio clip at the end?
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i agree with, chris hansen, a staff attorney with the ACLU, when he says, "The use of Psalm 109:8 is ambiguous as to whether its users are calling for the President to serve “only one term, or less than one term." deborah lauter, director of civil rights at the Anti-Defamation League agrees that the bumper sticker falls within acceptable political discourse." For it to be considered hate speech, it “would advocate actual violence or cite scripture that was more clear in its message.” (http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2…)
it's like the right criticizing che t-shirts, and saying the left will justify killing as a means to an end. you really have to believe there are mass amounts of seriously crazy, gun-toting, christians out there to believe this will be harmful. instead, i think it was just a joke that, because of the actual context, may be considered inappropriate by some.
but what's with that audio clip at the end?
Nov 13
in-frequent commented on The Morning News: Arrest in the Greenwood Arson Case, Switzerland Goes After Google, 9/11 Suspects Will Be Tried in NYC.
cops do not get to claim reward money when performing a service they would normally perform as a part of their job.
Nov 12
in-frequent commented on Carrie Prejean Knows From Inappropriate.
i agree mostly with jason josephes.
that aside, this doesn't prove her a fraud. it's doesn't make her as good a spokesperson, and the older christians might have a problem with her now. i don't think even most young conservative christians think masturbating is wrong. and most young conservative christians probably also agree with the idea that people make mistakes when they are young. it's difficult to me to see how this really discredits her from those younger bigots who support her. but, sure, glass houses and all that.
to actually be a hypocrite she has to be found in a gay marriage, or something like that. otherwise, she was just "unpure" by one of the standards she proposes that is a completely separate from another standard she proposes.
that aside, this doesn't prove her a fraud. it's doesn't make her as good a spokesperson, and the older christians might have a problem with her now. i don't think even most young conservative christians think masturbating is wrong. and most young conservative christians probably also agree with the idea that people make mistakes when they are young. it's difficult to me to see how this really discredits her from those younger bigots who support her. but, sure, glass houses and all that.
to actually be a hypocrite she has to be found in a gay marriage, or something like that. otherwise, she was just "unpure" by one of the standards she proposes that is a completely separate from another standard she proposes.
Nov 11
in-frequent commented on How to Bring Bell Street Back From the Dead.
i think we needs streets that are drivable, sidewalks that are walkable, shops that are accessible, and places to eat and sit as a part of it all. i'm not sure this accomplishes all that in the best way possible.
Nov 11
in-frequent commented on "...a well armed and well regulated militia...".
i think we needs streets that are drivable, sidewalks that are walkable, shops that are accessible, and places to eat and sit as a part of it all. i'm not sure this accomplishes all that in the best way possible.
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it's a very interesting article, however, and one can clearly see there are problems with the evangelical nature of aspects/parts/groups of the military.