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Sep 19, 2014 True liberal commented on By Passing Initiative 594, We Have a Chance to Stand Up and Say: "Not One More.".
Once again, the knee-jerk street left makes the same mealy mouthed claims about the nature of the relationship between guns and shootings. They have even coined yet another new word: "commonsense". The universal theme is their treatment of individual responsibility, opposing armed and trained sheepdogs, and their need to be coddled, fed, housed, and protected from violence by somebody else.

"Commonsense".... wtf does that mean? My impression is that there is no such thing as "common" sense, but rather, there may be uncommon sense. Maybe. Evidently, sense is very uncommon in Seattle.

Time and again, the impact on levels of violence, of any sort, of gun control in those locales that adopt unconstitutional "laws" is clearly proven to be very negative. The wolves merely become emboldened and more active. The sheep bleat for less self protection. The sheepdogs move to Montana.
Feb 24, 2013 True liberal commented on Let's Put an Assault-Weapons Ban on the Ballot.
@171;
Your methods are classic Saulinsky. Saw a train load full of such types at the U. Arrogant, rude, focused on personalizing the debate in order to detract from addressing concrete issues. If you disagree with or dislike the points presented you attack the person, not the issue. You make sweeping claims, and then announce them as incontrovertable fact, not subject to debate. What a waste. So, calling a fascist pig a fascist pig may be equally rude and arrogant, however, I invite anyone with the time, energy and interest to evaluate Mr. Fascist Pigs remarks throughout this thread with an eye to objectivly demonstrating any errors I might of made with respect to my perspective on Mr. Fascist Pig. BTW, not interested in any reply Mr Fascist Pig may make as the standard of debate he have set is not worthy of further personal attention.
Feb 24, 2013 True liberal commented on Let's Put an Assault-Weapons Ban on the Ballot.
@156,
I am indeed fortunate that I don't give a shit about correct grammer, spelling or your opinion.
Feb 23, 2013 True liberal commented on Let's Put an Assault-Weapons Ban on the Ballot.
Would appreciate a context related explanation of the term, "well regulated, calibrated and functioning".
As for ones reproductive system. All rights have defined limits. There is no place in the Constitution that creates an exception to the right to life, but by due process of law. I do not comprehend the notion that killing 30 plus million babies, the most helpless and innocent of humans, is somehow moral.
Feb 23, 2013 True liberal commented on Let's Put an Assault-Weapons Ban on the Ballot.
@ 146. Nice try. A sperm and an egg are not complete humans in terms of possessing the entire human genome. An agg or a sperm alone have zero potential to become a viable human. One requires the other.
Feb 23, 2013 True liberal commented on Let's Put an Assault-Weapons Ban on the Ballot.
@145;
Your post is a semantic mess. I suspect the use of to many pronouns.
In other words, its content is nil. Perhaps, if you are capable, you might reiterate whatever it is you are trying to convey in functional English.

Calling someone a name that has zero demonstrable basis other than ignorance is yet another stunt out of the Salinsky book, "Rules for Radicals", a seminal primer written in 1971, that provides instruction for socialists, communists and fascists on how to promulgate the big lie. If you can not base your claims in truth, then keep repeating the lie until it becomes the truth in the minds of the sheep. Goebbels perfected the method.
The stark similarity in goals and methods of the fascists of Europe and the contemporary fascists of todays America is appalling. It is jack booted thug promoters of murder and oppression such as yourself that created the mandate that gives the people the right to be armed. If you know the history of the American revolution, which I doubt, then you may recall the event that sparked the actual fighting of the revolution. Nothing has changed with regard to such behavior.
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Feb 23, 2013 True liberal commented on Let's Put an Assault-Weapons Ban on the Ballot.
@139. Three husbands, eh? What pathetic creatures they would be.
Feb 23, 2013 True liberal commented on Let's Put an Assault-Weapons Ban on the Ballot.
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@130, fetuses are not people, and are not alive in any sense that their termination can be fairly called "murder." That's fact, and not debatable.

Further, there isn't a single gun control proposal under discussion in any legislative body in America that includes the confiscation of lawfully owned guns among its provisions. So claiming that liberals support such taking is a lie.

The idea that a population of civilians with guns can take on the government is preposterous anyway. And events during the Arab Spring proved that guns aren't necessary to overthrow tyrants.

The copied and pasted quotes from a bunch of dead men mean little in 2013, especially in light of the facts.

What is your scientific basis for making the rather bald claim fetuses are not people? The one thing that all humans have in common is the human genome. The zygote, from conception, posesses as much of the genome as any other person. Of course it is debatable, any and everything is debatable. Check out the 1st Amendment. Your claims are specious at best. That sort of argument was the rationalized basis for the Nazi extermination of the retarded, feeble and insane. It is arrogant, disgusting and inhumane.

As for there not being a legislation that advocates firearms confiscation. If so, that merely demonstrates the political weakness of such an attempt, now. First there has to be universal registration. Such measures have been proposed many times. Then there has to be enough cops willing to enforce such laws. Failing that, the standing military has to be willing to function as police within the U.S. I sure don't see much liklyhood the likes of you would have the balls to enter peoples homes with the intent of taking their guns.

I take it you are afraid of guns. Good. It best that immoral ignotramous' like you not be armed. Your claim that guns are not necessary to overthrow a government is ridiculous. Go back and check out your "Arab Spring". There were a shitload of guns involved. Recall the Benghazi scandal. The guns from the "Lybian Arab Spring" were being shipped to Syria for that version of the Arab Spring. Note nearly every revolution... the standard usage was and is contemporary military weapons, from slings to IED's.

Those men I quoted, most of them anyway, are dead. I do not see how that invalidates their beliefs. I keep hearing the same worn out statist mantra: "Times are different". Well, yes. Thing is, the people have not changed, merely the tools. I have to agree that the odds of an armed populace overthrowing the governement are low.... if, the military supports the governement in a suppression of the people. I believe that to be unlikely. An interesting aspect of that conundrum is the vetting of general officer candidates with a question to the effect: "Would you fire on American citizens defending their rights under the Constitution, if so ordered"? Attempts to make the same determination in the ranks have yielded a large majority of noes. The signal factor is the US military and state forces oaths of enlistment. Check out what the oaths say, and the order of the elements of the oath. I am quite sure the professional military folks are very aware of the content and meaning of their oaths, having spent much of my life in the company of such people. These people understand the difference between a Constitutionally illegal and a legal order. The relevance of an armed people to the military is the need for the military to know there are enough people who support the Constitution to make a revolution succeed.

De oppresso liber!

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Feb 23, 2013 True liberal commented on Let's Put an Assault-Weapons Ban on the Ballot.
@128;
You are of course, entitled to your opinion that the "2nd is a poorly written piece of shit". Thing is, it is the law, a primary and deeply fundemental law. There is a means to undo it, deliberately made difficult by men who had just escaped a close call with a psychopathic tyrant called George III, and his minions. If you feel that strongly about the issue, then engage in an honest effort to bring about an amendment to the 2nd.

You are correct about the US Code that defines the unorganized militia. I do not believe that invalidates the concept of an armed and well regulated militia. I was intrigued by the phrase "well regulated" and did some research. My conclusion was that in the usage of the late 18th century, well regulated in the context of militia meant well trained and prepared, not administered by the federal governemnt. I do believe that women, and as well, old vets, like me, should be included. I doubt the main stream media or those inside the beltway have any interest in supporting such an alteration to that law, as it would draw attention to that law. Note, I do not support the concept of mandatory participation in militia. Same thing with the draft. Individuals should have the right to do as they see fit so long as they do not violate that same right for others. Things like the right to live.
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Feb 23, 2013 True liberal commented on Let's Put an Assault-Weapons Ban on the Ballot.
@120,
I think I see where you are coming from on this. You have bought into the largely false right vs. left paradigm. One of the main reasons I reject the labels of "right-wing" and conservative is that, in practice, there is little difference between those that knowingly wear those labels and so called "liberals", is that both factions endorce policies that are repressive, facsistic and functionally regressive with respect to human rights. One of the essential rights, well described by the writers of the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist Papers and the Constitution is the right to life. Said right, like all the others, may only be deprived by due process. There is nothing about abortion that subscribes to due process on behalf of those murdered. The claim by the so called "liberals" of today that they support the expansion of human and civil rights is not borne out by the policies they support. Gun control is a core issue as the possession and availability of firearms by the people has the primary purpose of providing, to the people, the means of applying deadly force against those who would subvert the Constitution. Again, what is your substantiation to your claim regarding my "bullshit"? Your use of profanity, and derogatory remarks, lends zero substance to your claims, and merely conveys the impression you are ignorant and lacking the capacity to conduct a civil debate.
Somehow, I suspect you are capable, however you appear to be a student of the Saul Alinsky school of the big lie.

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.”
- Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942
Nazi Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”
- Joseph Stalin
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. By 1987 that figure had risen to 61,911,000.

Benito Mussolini - Promoted Gun Control
“The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. … They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.”
- Benito Mussolini, address to the Italian Senate, 1931

“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”
- Mao Tze Tung, Nov 6 1938
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 10,076,000 political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated in Kuomintang China, and by 1987 another 35,236,000 exterminations were carried out under the Communists.

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
- Patrick Henry

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer’s cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
- George Orwell

“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”
- The Dalai Lama, May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times

“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.”
- Mohandas K. Gandhi

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.”
- James Madison, Federalist Paper #46
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