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Chareth Cutestory
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May 2, 2014 Chareth Cutestory commented on 15 Now's Class Warriors Vote in Favor of Phased-In Wage Bump for Small Businesses.

Your customers pay for food and drink, which you then use to pay your employees. The customers tip, which then brings that wage to over $15/hr. All that money is coming from the customer and is supporting a wage of $15+/hr.

You can't say you'll go out of business because customers don't have enough money to pay for your food and drinks.
Apr 30, 2014 Chareth Cutestory commented on 15 Now's Class Warriors Vote in Favor of Phased-In Wage Bump for Small Businesses.

So you refuse to answer the question, then? Doesn't the fact that restaurant and bar employees already make $15+/hr show that customers already spend enough to cover a $15 minimum wage at restaurants and bars?
Apr 30, 2014 Chareth Cutestory commented on 15 Now's Class Warriors Vote in Favor of Phased-In Wage Bump for Small Businesses.

Why not answer the question? Why do you have to deflect?
Apr 29, 2014 Chareth Cutestory commented on 15 Now's Class Warriors Vote in Favor of Phased-In Wage Bump for Small Businesses.

"How do you say the above quote when the truth is that FOH employees at a bar or restaurant make more than $15/hr currently?"

If these employees make more than $15/hr currently, doesn't that show that customers have enough money to pay for the price increases that a $15 minimum would cause? What's wrong with guaranteeing that workers get $15, and seeing a minor reduction in tips, but the same overall earnings?
Apr 29, 2014 Chareth Cutestory commented on The Majority-Backed Minimum Wage Plan Obtained by The Stranger.

"Or to be more accurate communism, since the fists are in the air and taking over private businesses via FORCE is being advocated for."

Please support this with a citation. These people voted in favor of a three year phase in for small business. They are not radicals.

There are multiple pieces of evidence showing that a $15 minimum is reasonable. Conway found $16.82 to be the correct minimum for Seattle, and we've already been over the productivity numbers. It's completely fine to disagree with how 15Now or Sawant run their campaigns, but to oppose the increase because you personally dislike them, and not the evidence, seems petty to me.

I used the example of a PhD to illustrate how far reaching student debt is. I do not know anyone my age who isn't in debt. That isn't an exaggeration. I don't want to get sidetracked, though. The major point is that a living wage in Seattle sits around $15 an hour. Anyone who works full time in the city should be able to live in the city. Productivity numbers and scientific research shows that paying $15/hr is possible without destroying small business. Therefore, I support a $15 minimum wage.


It seems like you take a "fuck 'em" approach. You say, "The liberal arts / soft sciences may well be the single most important aspect of our society," yet you do not care about the quality of life, or earning opportunities for these people. You also seem to think that employment rates will not fluctuate over the half-decade that it takes to earn a degree. What happens if, say, the entire economy crashes half-way through your degree, and suddenly the job you've been training for is as scarce as a rational restaurant owner? Technological advancement and outsourcing does not stop once you pick a degree, either.

I understand that you prefer a sort of Randian society, one where those who choose an education based on improving our quality of life, or furthering our understanding of the world are trampled by those who look out for their own self-interest through cold calculation. I also understand that this kind of thinking builds a cruel and irrational world where people are forced to live below the poverty line while working for a multinational, multibillion dollar corporation.

But, let me see if I understand the general thrust of your argument. If people choose not to go to college, they're relegated to a minimum wage job, and it's their fault for not developing the necessary skills to stay competitive in the job market. If they do go to college, they'll most likely need to take a minimum wage job while searching for another job in their field of study - all while their debt grows - so it's their fault for not asking if a degree is worth it. Is there anything the poor can't be blamed for?

Apr 28, 2014 Chareth Cutestory commented on The Majority-Backed Minimum Wage Plan Obtained by The Stranger.

Based on what you've said, you should be in support of a $21.72 minimum wage. This is what the data shows the minimum wage, based on productivity, should be. Moving to $15 was a preemptive compromise by Sawant. To then call the compromise arbitrary seems disingenuous.…

I did not make you repeat, word for word, a Fox News talking point. You can call it an insult, but it was more of an observation. And the reason I called you a reactionary was because you sounded like one, which, based on your apology, I assume you understand.

I am glad that you aren't suffering because of your student loans, but most of the people I know are. I know people who make $50,000 a year, and they can't make a dent in their loans. I know PhD's who can't pay off their loans. I have friends who are EMS workers, and friends in the military who can't pay off their loans. You, the business owner, are the exception here.

If you need to see more research about raising the minimum wage, I can give you some:

Study - Why Does the Minimum Wage Have No Discernible Effect on Employment?:…

"Economists have conducted hundreds of studies of the employment impact of the minimum wage. Summarizing those studies is a daunting task, but two recent meta-studies analyzing the research conducted since the early 1990s concludes that the minimum wage has little or no discernible effect on the employment prospects of low-wage workers."

Study - Earnings and Employment: The Effects of the Living Wage Ordinance in Santa Fe, New Mexico:…

"The most controversial and hence interesting conclusion suggested by the analysis is that large businesses in the retail and accommodations and food services sectors increased both employee earnings and employment relative to large Albuquerque and small Santa Fe businesses after the LWO. This increase was somewhat lower for female and youth workers, though still an increase relative to large Albuquerque and small Santa Fe businesses. Certainly the data do not suggest that the increase in the minimum wage had any negative effect on these two industries or on earnings and the number of jobs as a whole."

Study - Minimum Wage Shocks, Employment Flows and Labor Market Frictions:…

"Clearly, minimum wage policies substantially reduce turnover and increase job stability, even without aecting overall employment levels for highly aected groups, such as teens. An important proportion of this reduced turnover seems to occur by reducing job-to-job transitions, indicating the presence of frictional wage dispersion. The likely reduction in flows to unemployment suggests the minimum wage also affects firm decisions to lay off workers and search anew, versus retain an existing match."

Study - Minimum Wage Channels of Adjustment:…

"Further, our study does not find evidence of clear-cut employment losses – even over three years and a 41% increase in the MW."

Regional Economist Dick Conway Says $15 Minimum Wage Is 'Not Outrageous’…

"'You end up with a minimum wage of about $16.82,' said Conway."

Apr 28, 2014 Chareth Cutestory commented on The Majority-Backed Minimum Wage Plan Obtained by The Stranger.

Again, I encourage you to post more. The more people see that this is the sort of thinking underpinning the anti-15 movement, the better the pro-15 side looks. Your mixture of mockery, working class contempt, and ignorance isn't going to win anyone over.

Regarding your first point - 68% of Seattle supports a $15 dollar minimum, which by our electoral standards constitutes a landslide victory. A business backed push poll could only water that down to 47%, so it seems apparent that at least a simple majority supports the idea. The intensity of the debate is stoked when business leaders are caught lying, or attempting to force their employees into fake anti-15 letter writing campaigns.

Regarding compromise - please read my previous comments. I acknowledged Sawant was working for a compromise months ago.

Regarding student debt - You must not know many students. Nearly every single student is in serious debt, no matter their degree. I don't think you understand the amount of money necessary for a college education today. The fact that you don't think Liberal Arts degrees are necessary or important for society is a perfect example of anti-intellectualism.

I see that you have a lot of hate in you. As Emperor Palpatine says, "Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you." And, please, keep on posting.

Apr 27, 2014 Chareth Cutestory commented on The Majority-Backed Minimum Wage Plan Obtained by The Stranger.

Oh, please post more. Please. You are winning this for 15Now.

You do know that 15Now filed for a Charter Amendment, right? Of course they want this to go to a vote. Also, remember that Kshama Sawant unseated a 16 year incumbent while running on a $15/hr minimum wage. So, we've already had this vote once, and it certainly was close, but the majority did support $15/hr.

The empty calls to action and hollow rhetoric of your post is exactly what we can expect from the business side. No solutions, no objective analysis of data, just empty cheerleading. I can't use the pretty sentiments of the the business community to pay my rent, or my medical bills, though.

The middle class has already been destroyed, melvidaloca. We need a $15 minimum so the middle class has somewhere to land, so the poor can eat and pay for shelter, and so the younger segment of our society can, at the very least, begin put a dent in their student debt.

We know, through hundreds of studies, that a raise in the minimum wage has minimal negative effects on employment. We know that, if adjusted for inflation, the national minimum wage would be about $10.50/hr. And, if adjusted for productivity, approximately $22.00/hr. There is nothing ridiculous, or even that radical, about a $15 dollar minimum. It's a rational response to the data.
Apr 26, 2014 Chareth Cutestory commented on The Majority-Backed Minimum Wage Plan Obtained by The Stranger.

You sure love calling a necessary wage increase arbitrary. For the thousandth time, that number was chosen because it was roughly halfway between an adjustment for inflation and an adjustment for productivity in the minimum wage. You might be in need of a dictionary.

There's also quite a bit of ridiculousness in your beliefs, too. Pretending to be a sensible moderate who resides above rhetoric is a total show. You've parroted a Fox News talking point by claiming that Sawant believes, "anyone who has worked so hard they earned good money should have it taken from them." She has never said anything like that. Perhaps you choose to see a movement for a strong minimum wage in that light, but that doesn't make it 15Now's cause.

And perhaps your relative success has led you to believe that our current system is fair. But, looking at the data, it's clear that belief is inaccurate. Politically, as a recent study conducted by Princeton found, "the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." Economically, the top 1% of earners have received 95% of the income gains since the recession, while the other 99% of the population has seen a 12% drop in income. A strong minimum will not cure any of this, but it is a necessary first step.

So, please, go on calling a group of people you disagree with a "cult." Go on ignoring the research. Then, see if anyone at all will believe you're a moderate, and not a reactionary trying to manipulate people.
Apr 26, 2014 Chareth Cutestory commented on The Best of Slog: Scenes from a Downright Depressing Week.
How is that sexist? Both genders dressed similarly (it's not like the women wore underwear and the men wore suits). They all toured together, too. The previous bands he played with all had both women and men, aside from the Raconteurs. He's collaborated with more women than men over the years, and, as far as I know, hasn't said anything awful.

I just think attacking Jack White for no reason is a mistake, especially when there are so many other examples of sexism out there.

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