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Nov 12, 2012 philgirl commented on SL Letter of the Day: You Guys Are Animals.

@4 - How do you figure the dogs are "cruelly tortured every second of their miserable lives? First of all, who in the world has sex every second?? Do you have the slightest reason to think these animals would be mistreated in between sex events - i.e. almost all of the time? Second, since we have established this is dog-on-man sex, the dog has to be, well, kind of in the mood himself for it to work. Since dogs presumably have no Freudian superego criticizing their choice of sex objects I see no reason at all to assume there is any torture or even displeasure involved.

Oct 31, 2012 philgirl commented on Savage Love.

For those ignoramuses like me who didn't know without googling, CFNM = clothed female naked male.

Jun 20, 2012 philgirl commented on Use "Horrible Sack of Shit" In a Sentence.

@6: I would go with, "OK and now explain to me the ethical or social relevance of that particular similarity, please?"

Or how about "Same-sex couples are the same type as opposite-sex couples: both are (typically) sexual and romantic partnerships. Now why is your 'type' more relevant to ethics or policy than my 'type'?

May 4, 2012 philgirl commented on SL Letter of the Day: STFU, BTFO.

I'm pretty appalled that no one is seriously calling out the completely gratuitous fat hatred spewed out @13.

Apr 29, 2012 philgirl commented on Active-Duty Gay Marine War Vet Proposes to His Boyfriend, Also a Marine War Vet, On the Base Where He's Stationed.

A little googling shows that Cory Huston was discharged from the military for being gay in 2006, and lost his benefits etc. It gives an angry edge to this sweet story.

Mar 22, 2012 philgirl commented on SL Letter of the Day: Coming Out Kinky Worked For Me.

Or perhaps Dead Shit Covered Puppy F*cking community. But that was the general idea.

Mar 22, 2012 philgirl commented on SL Letter of the Day: Coming Out Kinky Worked For Me.

Dead Shit Covered Puppy Fetish community. Sheesh.

Jan 11, 2012 philgirl commented on Savage Love.

EricaP @66.

I agree, it is complicated. And honestly I am not some big crusader for it. But I think the tone on both sides is a moralizing one, not just a matter of getting a headache contemplating the policy complexities. I'm happy for people to decide that multiple marriage is just too complicated to deal with in the short or medium run. I'm not happy for same-sex couples to martial the rhetoric of "we are basically normal, not like those poly freaks, how dare you compare us". Notice @51's immediate rush to talking about creepy LDS misogynist cult stuff when I brought the topic up.

My personal stance on all this is probably closest to that of the great Jimmy McMillan of the Rent is Too Damn High Party: "If you want to marry a shoe, I'll marry you". But I will leave my case for inanimate object unions to another time ;)

Jan 11, 2012 philgirl commented on Savage Love.

@61: Yes obviously. And there are grotesque ethical problems with how one-man one-woman marriage has been implemented, especially in various subcultures. I don't see the difference. Indeed surely it would be easier to prevent such abuses if the 'marriages' weren't subterranean and illegal, where, for instance, women are even more terrified to report abuse than usual because they fear their whole community will be destroyed if they are exposed. Not that I think legalization is ever going to make those subcultures ok - the point is they will make them somewhat better or leave them as they are, not make them worse.

But mostly the implicit form of your argument just seems deeply wrong. there are deeply perverted, abusive relationships and subcultures of all sorts. It is important to know about that and try to help. I see none of that as having any bearing whatsoever on whether there is something intrinsically sketchy about a particular arrangement of partnered-up bodies or whether we should legalize their union. The polygamous partnerships in my social circle have no more relationship to LDC craziness than do any of my other friends' partnerships.

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Jan 11, 2012 philgirl commented on Savage Love.

So, I understand that this isn't a good rhetorical move to use with right-wing hate filled f*ckwads, but why exactly are we supposed to take it as so obvious that legal polygamy is bad that both sides use its badness as the premise of their argument? ("He is so evil he compared gay marriage to polygamy", vs "If you allow gay marriage then what's next, polygamy?")

I honestly don't get it. I have tried, but I literally can't think of a single ethical argument against legal polygamy, though surely there would be pragmatic hurdles, as with anything new.

I do the one at a time thing myself, except for a handful of one-shot threesomes and some standard-fare stints dating more than one person when none were serious. But my neighbors are an all-male very stable threesome and they have one of the healthiest and most supportive relationships in my friend group. My kid hangs out with them a fair amount and came to the conclusion on his own that there is not only nothing ethically wrong with multiple partners, but nothing weird about it in practice either.

Even Savagers who happily participate in threads about polyamory seem to find it obvious that it's insulting to suggest a slippery slope from gay marriage to polygamous marriage. And Dan seems to do the same above, at least by implication. I think I am in favor of such a slippery slope! If someone had argued back in the miscegenation days, "If we allow interracial marriage, what's next, same-sex marriage?" they would have actually turned out to be prophetic, right? What is the difference?

Don't tell the right wing f*ckwads I said so though ;)

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