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Dec 20, 2013 troubletown71 commented on Gay Marriage Is Happening in Utah Right Now.
REPOSTING this from the other thread, because, seriously, this is the best thing I've read all year...

The fact that the judge cited Scalia's tantrum in the Windsor dissent as part of this justification for overturning the Utah ban is just delicious, delicious, delicious...

"The Constitution’s protection of the individual rights of gay and lesbian citizens is equally dispositive whether this protection requires a court to respect a state law, as in
Windsor, or strike down a state law, as the Plaintiffs ask the court to do here. In his dissenting opinion, the Honorable Antonin Scalia recognized that this result was the logical outcome of the Court’s ruling in Windsor

SCALIA 'In my opinion, however, the view that this
Court will take of state prohibition of same-sex marriage is indicated beyond mistaking by today’s opinion. As I havesaid, the real rationale of today’s opinion . . . is that DOMA is motivated by “bare. . . desire to harm” couples in same-sex marriages. How easy it is, indeed how inevitable, to reach the same conclusion with regard to state laws denying same-sex couples marital status.133 S. Ct. at 2709 (citations and internal quotation marks omitted)'

THE COURT AGREES WITH JUSTICE SCALIA'S INTERPRETATION OF WINDSOR and finds that the important federalism concerns at issue hereare nevertheless insufficient to save a state-law prohibition that denies the Plaintiffs their rights to due process and equal protection under the law"
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Dec 20, 2013 troubletown71 commented on Federal Judge Strikes Down Utah's Gay Marriage Ban.
The fact that the judge cited Scalia's tantrum in the Windsor dissent as part of this justification for overturning the Utah ban is just delicious, delicious, delicious...

"The Constitution’s protection of the individual rights of gay and lesbian citizens is equally dispositive whether this protection requires a court to respect a state law, as in
Windsor, or strike down a state law, as the Plaintiffs ask the court to do here. In his dissenting opinion, the Honorable Antonin Scalia recognized that this result was the logical outcome of the Court’s ruling in Windsor

SCALIA 'In my opinion, however, the view that this
Court will take of state prohibition of same-sex marriage is indicated beyond mistaking by today’s opinion. As I havesaid, the real rationale of today’s opinion . . . is that DOMA is motivated by “bare. . . desire to harm” couples in same-sex marriages. How easy it is, indeed how inevitable, to reach the same conclusion with regard to state laws denying same-sex couples marital status.133 S. Ct. at 2709 (citations and internal quotation marks omitted)'

THE COURSE AGREES WITH JUSTICE SCALIA'S INTERPRETATION OF WINDSOR and finds that the important federalism concerns at issue hereare nevertheless insufficient to save a state-law prohibition that denies the Plaintiffs their rights to due process and equal protection under the law"
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Sep 11, 2012 troubletown71 commented on SurveyUSA: Leads Widen for Gay Marriage, Pot, Democratic Governor.
REFERENDUM 71
- September 2009 poll by the Approve 71 campaign and conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner (GQR): 51% approve and 44% reject [+7]
- October 2009 GQR poll (N = 500 likely voters): 53% approve and 36% reject [+17]
- October 2009 poll by Survey USA: 50% approve and 43% reject [+7]

Final results: 53.15% approve and 46.85% reject [+6.3]

REFERENDUM 74
- Jan 2012 poll by Survey USA: 47% approve and 46% reject [+1]
- May 2012 poll by Strategies 360: 54% approve and 33% reject [+12]
- June 2012 poll by PPP: 51% approve and 42% reject [+9]
- Sept 2012 poll by Survey USA: 56% approve and 38% reject [+18]

One could speculate, based on the Ref 71 data, that the “approve” numbers in these polls tend to accurate assess the level of support. By contrast, the “reject” figures are likely underestimated as people don’t want to appear bigoted and instead respond “unsure/dpn’t know” when they fully intend to reject the referendum.

Combined with the fact that this is a major election year and that we will hopefully have better turn-out when compared with 2009, I interpret this as meaning that we really have a decent shot at marriage equality in Washington State in less than 2 months. Just have muster everything we have for that last stretch and respond vigorously to the inevitable “they are coming for your children” ad campaign.
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Sep 11, 2012 troubletown71 commented on SurveyUSA: Leads Widen for Gay Marriage, Pot, Democratic Governor.
@10

Makes sense. According to your figures, this is consistent with the notion that older folk vote more than the young folk, so I now feel better about this.

I wonder what the national polling surveys or Nate SIlver use for their age-group proportions for their likely voter groups.

Sep 11, 2012 troubletown71 commented on SurveyUSA: Leads Widen for Gay Marriage, Pot, Democratic Governor.
Fantastic news - all around!

But I have a question for you more poll-savy types. The age composition of the people polled for "likely voters" is as follows:

18-34 = 24%
35-49 = 27%
50-64 = 31%
65+ = 18%

Now I keep reading how the greyhairs have nothing to do but sit on their porch, yell at the whippersnappers, and vote. While the hipster kids are too busy trying to put on they skinny jeans to vote.

But, this likely voter composition seems to go the opposite way. Can anyone comment?
Aug 7, 2012 troubletown71 commented on The Stranger's "Who Cares About This Crappy Primary? WE Care About This Crappy Primary!" ELECTION-NIGHT COVERAGE!!.
Is it my imagination or are these results kinda amazing for Inslee?

My pal Google says the 2008 primary tally with Gregoire Vs. Rossi was 48.2% vs 46.3% and the election results ended up 53% vs. 47%.

And Inslee is leading 47 to 43 for McKenna?

Is my nightmare scenario of McKenna being Gov not going to come true? Oh happy day, I feel hope dawning within my wee chest.

Someone with more political savvy, please chime in...
Jan 29, 2012 troubletown71 commented on Let's File an Initiative to Vote on Rob McKenna's Marriage.
Count me in for some $ to support this.

For realz.
Jan 23, 2012 troubletown71 commented on Gay Marriage Secures Final Vote Needed to Pass Legislature.
A referendum push is coming. Someone needs to publish the R71 names (like, right now!)

nothing but silence from whosigned.org
Jan 18, 2012 troubletown71 commented on National Conservative Group Threatens Republican State Senators: Vote Against Marriage Equality or We'll Drop $250,000 on Your Next Primary Challenger.
Hey Eli - how about using your journalistic wile to check into the status of the creation of a searchable database of R71 signees.

Whosigned.org was supposed to do it, but the signatures are nowhere in sight.

It would be really nice to be able to have some rational, non-threatening conversations with the people who signed the R71 referendum petitions to get them to see why signing an expected referendum petition against marriage equality is a simple matter of justice, no? (yes)