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Feb 17 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn commented on Oklahoma Republicans Move to Ban AP History from Public Schools.
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It's quaint to tell yourself that there's a job that demands an accurate knowledge of history. Would some insurance company or hospital chain give a shit if you knew any history? Would Apple or Facebook? Fuck no. Who then?
Maybe it would matter if the job is history teacher -- but if it's history teacher anywhere in the former Confederacy, you're all set! So the sad ending to this sad episode is that this is harmless. Oh, but they'll vote for assholes if they don't get taught proper history, won't they? Well every generation of students up to now has had proper history, supposedly. And look who Oklahoma votes for.
Feb 17 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn commented on Have You Seen Fifty Shades of Grey Yet?.
They should put "easily passes the Bechdel Test" on the movie posters. Along with "no blackface!" and "No animals were harmed in the making of this film. Not even one!"
Feb 16 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn commented on The Morning News: Seattle’s New Plan to End Traffic Deaths; Anti-Vaxxers Could Be Hurting Local Economy.
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Along with removing the religious exemption, you also suggested a half dozen hysterical, draconian overreactions, including felony (!) charges! And then turn around and try to hide behind the AAP.

You know, you guys have been posting flames against anti-vaxxers for a decade at least. How's that worked out? The problem has only gotten worse since you guys started to harness the awesome power of shame to mold society. If you'd have read the history you'd have known what was going to happen.

Anti-vaxxers kill kids. You kill kids. You're not better than them. Sorry the truth hurts.
Feb 14 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn commented on The Morning News: Seattle’s New Plan to End Traffic Deaths; Anti-Vaxxers Could Be Hurting Local Economy.
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The New Helicopter Parents will be clinging to their kids every hour of the day, checking the immunization status of every kid who comes within five feet at playgrounds, stores, restaurants, walking down the street... Good luck with that.

"When you make it difficult/painful to get an exemption the vaccination rates will increase back to a safe level." Really? Does that work? Have you checked? Is that just a wild guess? A gut feeling? Have you checked whether making it a felony to be unvaccinated in public is effective? Do you really think you are the first one to think of all this shit?

Spoiler: You're not. It's been tried. All that stupid shit you want to do? It has been tried and it doesn't work. Scientists don't reject those means because they'd rather sing kumbaya. They reject them because they've been given a chance and they failed. That route leads to more dead kids. You're patting yourself on the back for being so on top of this shit but you are just as much a part of the problem as the anti-vaxxers. "Freedom isn't free"? You know what? "Wishing doesn't make it so".

Go read. If you can't even educate yourself where do you get off saying the anti-vaxxers are ignorant?
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Feb 13 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn commented on The Morning News: Seattle’s New Plan to End Traffic Deaths; Anti-Vaxxers Could Be Hurting Local Economy.
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Drive them into the sea? Really? Is that like shunning them? Shaming them away? Like if you give them the stinkeye you'll be safe from measles? You know that contagious disease doesn't work that way, right? You don't get to just vote them off the island. You maybe can keep their kids out of school, but that doesn't accomplish a hell of a lot. Disneyland isn't a school.

You're right that there are many kinds of vaccine refusers. They're everywhere. They're us. They make the mistake of thinking they are making an individual choice. In fact they are making a choice that affects the collective. But you make the same mistake when you imagine you can somehow shun or shame or drive them away.

The good news is we don't have to persuade all of them. Just enough to put us back with high enough rates to control disease. The hard core will never change their minds, but the ones on the fence can come around. But when you call them "idiots" over and over and over, you turn them into the hard core. Then you're fucked.

This has happened before in dozens of countries, all levels of economic development, all levels of education. It's nothing new. In the past, they've tried being arrogant dicks about it and it didn't work. Read the research. You have to swallow your pride and be nice to people you don't think much of. Then you win.
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Feb 13 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn commented on The Morning News: Seattle’s New Plan to End Traffic Deaths; Anti-Vaxxers Could Be Hurting Local Economy.
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The same guy who goes into maximum loony denial mode when scientists tell him that there is a causal relationship between gun ownership and suicide is here to get all superior talking down to people who think vaccines are a corporate/government conspiracy? Your NRA has even passed laws to prevent any kind of research on guns as a public health threat. You're exactly like vaccine refusers.

I'd love to hear you explain why people who refused to use condoms at the height of the HIV epidemic -- or any other time for that matter -- are in any way different than vaccine refusers. I assure you, calling barebackers (or HIV/AIDS deniers) names, demonizing them, did nothing to increase condom usage among gays or any other group. Earning trust and respect increased condom usage. Or clean needle usage. Or fucking handwashing for that matter.

I think The Strangers anit-vaxx ambassador should be Ansel Herz. He's convinced bike helmet research is a fraud, perpetrated by some kind of governemnt/corporate/CIA conspiracy to somehow make people safe. Because profit? Anti-vaxxers, gun loons, anti-helmet loons, climate change deniers: are you really so different? You all pick and choose which research you use to beat other over the head, while arrogantly ignoring science that you don't personally want to believe. And why? Because it threatens your identity. When behavior gets coupled with identity, no amount of persuasion or facts will get through, because your identity is more important to you than reality.

You know how easily you ignore gun research? That same reality denial is what goes on in the brain of an anti-vaxxer when presented with scientific findings. Their identity is threatened. The more you marginalize them, the more tightly their sense of self is connected with their vaccine refusal, or their gun, or their big pickup truck or whatever it is that you're trying to take away.

On the other hand, if you de-politicize it, and decouple vaccines from their identity, the easier it is to get them to change their minds.

And spite? How many of your gun buddies have run out to stock up guns at the hint of any gun regulation? What of your open carry friends? What is that if not spite? You have everything in common with anti-vaxxers. Particularly the inability to make an honest self-assessment.
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Feb 13 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn commented on The Morning News: Seattle’s New Plan to End Traffic Deaths; Anti-Vaxxers Could Be Hurting Local Economy.
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ISIS? Really? Why not the Third Reich then? Lovely sense of perspective. I know! Compare them with Voldemort! That's just the think to get kids vaccinated.

Did shunning and shaming increase rates of condom use during the AIDS crisis? Do you get IV drug users to use clean needles by being a huge fucking dick? Does the World Health Organization shame people into getting vaccinated? Public Health is an actual science. Vaccination campaigns do not consist of a mob of Internet tough guys lobbing bombs and foaming at the mouth. All you have to show for that kind of bullshit is LESS vaccination.

See, you think you're so smart because you believe in science, and the anti-vaxxes don't. Well if you really believe in science, then stop doing the exact thing that public health science has proven DECREASES vaccination rates. You're feeding the paranoia that drives vaccine refusers.

Paul Constant made it explicitly clear that he thinks this is just another politically useful wedge issue. Get GOP candidates to go on record defending anti-science views, then clobber them with it in the general election. Great for winning votes. Harmful if you're trying to change minds and have fewer measles deaths. I'm not talking about hypothetical harm. Actual, known harm. At least as well known as the connection between low herd immunity and dead kids.

There's mountains of public health research on this. Don't believe me: go read for yourself. What you're doing is just as harmful as the anti-vaxxers.
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Feb 13 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn commented on The Morning News: Seattle’s New Plan to End Traffic Deaths; Anti-Vaxxers Could Be Hurting Local Economy.
If you're working to whip up hate against anti-vaxxers, you're part of the problem too. They're contributing to the deaths of innocent kids. You're contributing to the deaths of innocent kids. You have everything in common with them.
Feb 10 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn commented on SL Letter of the Day: Be PrEPared.
Huh, why didn't Savage come down hard on this guy for violating safe sex protocol? I too remember the 80s when everybody seemed to have all agreed that the way to stop HIV was to stigmatize and even criminalize those who didn't get on the safe sex bandwagon. After all it worked so well with sex workers and IV drug users.

But then after years of failure the obvious lesson finally sunk in: That shit doesn't work. Shaming, name calling, scolding, civil suits, even criminal charges don't change behavior. What works is respect, understanding where somebody is coming from, and meeting them halfway. Marginal improvements in behavior, whether it's from the hard core taking the most risks, or the most timid who only rarely cut corners, save lives.

That's the enlightened, progressive approach that is now standard and mainstream.

Except the same enlightened, progressive thinkers who understand that you can't get people to listen if you go around attacking them are busy using the same stupid Nancy Reagan "just say no" approach to parents today who don't vaccinate. Instead of meeting them halfway and trying to get marginal improvements from the most open-minded sub-group, otherwise smart people are shaming and mocking the very people they want to educate. Threatening them with lawsuits and even jail.

Doctors and schools are being lauded for turning away unvaccinated families. Can you imagine the reaction if a doctor, or a school, announced they would turn away people who didn't practice safe sex? Or turned away HIV+ patients as a threat to everybody else?

When we harassed gay men or IV drug users or sex workers or undocumented immigrants, they went underground, where public health workers couldn't reach them. They didn't trust any busybodies who came around telling them what they were doing wrong. But by scaring or shaming or insulting parents who are already terrified of vaccines you're going to get a different result?

I find the pigheaded arrogance and hypocrisy kind of amazing.
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Feb 10 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn commented on Is There a Better Word for Yuppie?.
Yuppie is not a dated term. It's perfectly adequate and still relevant.

What's dated is "lumbersexual". That went stale about two months ago. One is a useful term that refers to a real thing that exists. The other is stupid and will be soon forgotten.

And "health goth"? You made that up.
 

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