Comments On: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote by Dominic Holden http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/02/03/democrat-paull-shin-defends-his-vote-against-marriage-equality Comments On: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote by Dominic Holden en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Sat, 25 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Sat, 25 May 2013 05:30:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by jvtech]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:19:28 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]>
And if the religious folk want to keep marriage a "heterosexual's only" club, no problem. But via our Constitution's first and fourteenth amendments, heterosexual married couples may no longer receive any marriage-based federal rights or privileges of any kind. I'll list three federal examples, though there are many others..

1) Joint filing of federal income tax
2) Not being required to testify against your heterosexual spouse in federal court
3) Medical benefits provided to the heterosexual spouse of a war veteran

Homosexuals only want "the same" rights as any other US citizen where federal marriage benefits are concerned. Since the *only* argument left that can be used against homosexuals deserving these same federally protected rights is one based entirely in religion, then via the first and fourteenth amendments to the federal Constitution these rights can not and should not be denied to any US citizen regardless of sexual orientation.
Posted by CommentsClown]]> Mon, 06 Feb 2012 11:49:15 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Seattleblues. And you have never once explained what rights same-sex couples would receive if they were allowed to participate in civil marriage contracts that traditional couples do not currently enjoy, or would not continue to enjoy if those rights were extended to others. Until and unless you do, you have one of two choices--cease using that terminology, or be prepared to have it pointed out that you've never offered an iota of factual support for your argument, and that it is rhetorically tantamount to theology, as satisfactory a position of debate as "God did it!"
And don't plan any big gay weddings too quickly.
Interestingly enough, in my experience, "big gay weddings" haven't exactly been waiting on the state. I've been an invited member of many a "wedding" party to couples whose relations were indistinguishable, in terms of social, economic, emotional, or spiritual function, from the one my wife and I share. The only difference is that the state recognizes ours, but not theirs.

Big gay weddings will likely go on regardless of what the legislature decides.
Posted by thelyamhound]]> Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:31:16 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:39:25 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]>
Of course, I don't owe it all to you or anything. I'd probably do that anyway. But your smug callousness and petty threats are a useful reminder that we need to stay focused on this goal.
Posted by Kitts]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 08:26:11 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by sisyphusgal]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:05:35 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by Gretli]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:06:21 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]>
*head asplode*
Posted by balderdash]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:21:48 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by philosophy school dropout]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:18:08 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]>
My old Grandad had hisself a sayin'.

Don't count yer chickens afore they hatch.

What people say to the nice person talking on the phone and how they vote in the privacy of their home or a booth can differ radically.

As for what hate has to do with it, I'd guess you understand the convulutions of your own twisted logic better than I do here.

Maybe you should have finished school, buddy.
Posted by Seattleblues]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:15:04 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by philosophy school dropout]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:10:23 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]>
I'm not the smartest man, Jenny, but even I know that a party that allows Fred Phelps to run on their ticket ain't all that friendly to the queers.
Posted by Zepol]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:51:29 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Don't worry folks. Next election Shinn and others who took the right side of this debate will be rewarded by those of us who value marriage and family. Your apologists for gays as citizens with more rights than others? Yeah, they'll get their reward too in being able to return to private life when they lose elective office.

I mean, as a means of energizing the majority of Americans, you really couldn't have planned any better. Plenty of money and political organization will be activated inside and outside of Washington state to educate you in your place as citizens equal to others, not exalted above them.

And don't plan any big gay weddings too quickly. The referendum will teach those legislators who put the good of a self selecting 1% or 2% of the population ahead of the remainder a solid lesson in representative democracy.

Enjoy your temporary victory while you can. It won't last.
Posted by Seattleblues]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:49:40 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by philosophy school dropout]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:14:41 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by undead ayn rand]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:25:35 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by RDM]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:47:58 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by T Pitchford]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:42:23 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by Geni]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:19:07 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by PCM]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:07:28 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by Mahtli69]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:01:11 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]>
I'd rather have people who cant vote for something because of their beliefs recuse themselves and abstain from voting.

But of course, Govt by religious beliefs is wrong if it is Sharia Law and Muslim but not if it is Christian. That's different.
Posted by Womyn2me]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:33:16 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by seattlejenny]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:23:09 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]>
And why do these people give a shit what he says?
Posted by billrm]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:20:03 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by Kitts]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:15:12 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Democrat Paull Shin Defends Anti-Gay Vote]]> Posted by zephsright]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:14:43 -0800 The Stranger