http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/mass-uprising/Content?oid=12587024 Comments On: Mass Uprising by Dominic Holden en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Sun, 19 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Sun, 19 May 2013 17:45:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
The recent unearthing of DOM documents outlining a program to divide Black people and Gay people over Marriage Equality, specifically states that they are trying to get people to call each other by the name of "bigot". Articles in Seattle Gay News, have specifically asked Gay people in their correspondence on the the subject, NOT to use such terms, such name-calling. If you feel you are a "bigot", that is your own problem. Name-calling is counterproductive. Rather, we should RATIONALLY and compassionately, address people's IGNORANCE. What the Catholic hierarchy has to say on the subject, is definitely not the last word.

That being Gay and having Gay sex and not being Gay-and-celibate, is a "SIN", is NOT a RATIONAL argument; rather, it is an argument of religious superstition as the belief in Sin, Hellfire, Satan, Devils, Purgatory, God's Punishment, etc. etc., can NOT be supported RATIONALLY.

The belief propagated by the Catholic Hierarchy from the very top, Ratzinger, that "the future of the Human Race is at stake", is LAUGHABLY IRRATIONAL. There is NOTHING about being Gay, that makes anyone sterile! Many, many Lesbian women are Mothers; many Gay men are {biological} fathers. Look around you! Straight parents have Gay kids; Gay parents have Straight kids.
Even if every presently-alive Gay man & woman were to undergo forced sterilization, Straight parents would still have Gay kids, who would have kids both Gay and Straight, who would have kids.......
So, "saving the Human Race from extinction" is NOT a RATIONAL argument -- again, just one based on COMPLETELY UN-SCIENTIFIC and purely cultish religious beliefs.

Again, the belief that Gay parents are somehow inferior parents who can't raise kids decently, has been shown by DOCUMENTATION, to be a mere BELIEF, and NOT a fact -- it can NOT be demonstrated RATIONALLY.

To choose to go by RATIONALITY, and not by someone else's Faith-based traditions, is NOT "bigotry". Again, if you feel like that, that is YOUR problem. I choose not to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or the Great Pumpkin, either. I do NOT feel like a "bigot" in any sense of the word. I do NOT believe Humans were conceived and born in "Original Sin". Neither do the VAST MAJORITY of the people of the world. We can't ALL be "bigots" for not holding such an IRRATIONAL belief!

Posted by Barbara Tee]]> Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:22:13 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Sadie01]]> Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:01:05 -0700 The Stranger Posted by little viking]]> Wed, 07 Mar 2012 23:17:46 -0800 The Stranger Posted by crazy mad]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:44:08 -0800 The Stranger
Posted by mary d]]> Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:44:36 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Vertex]]> Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:33:52 -0800 The Stranger
I'm a Catholic priest and I can't begin to explain how important my friendships are with many men who - for whatever reason - happen to be attracted to other men. One of these guys in particular ranks as one of the (dare I say) holiest people I know. Of course, he as well as a few of my other friends who share his orientation support the Catholic Church's official teaching 100%. As a priest I need to support the Catholic teaching on this so that these men feel supported in their struggle for chastity - a struggle that straight men and even celibate man have as well.

I wonder what anyone thinks of the "gay" men and women in the Church who agree with the Catholic Church's teaching. I also wonder if readers of this publication view any and all objections to same sex marriages as being automatic "hate speech?" In other words, is there any argument out there at all in which a person can make against same sex marriage and not automatically be thought of as a bigot? If not, I'd question who the real bigots are on this issue.
Posted by A Priest]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2012 22:45:48 -0800 The Stranger
I was Catholic, (questioned lots of stuff though) but this was the breaking point. I too walked out of mass when the priest talked about this. It is sad, because I thought the catholic church was more progressive when in came to social justice issues. Now it is just like the crazy 4 square churchs. Phoney!

As the article says, "silence means consent." And evil thrives when good people do nothing.
Posted by crazy mad]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:27:00 -0800 The Stranger
I never understood why my religion emphasized the importance of choosing right from wrong yet wanted to eliminate the ability for two people in a loving and committed relationship to formalize that bond. Regardless of whether they viewed LGBT lifestyle as sinful or righteous, eliminating the ability to choose that lifestyle would take away from that agency of right or wrong.I could understand the need to take the ability to choose wrong away if someone was harmed by this act such as stealing, or lying. But for a lifestyle founded upon the principle of LOVE, I could never understand why this was such an issue.

I had the realization that my religion had no right to force their lifestyle or their beliefs on people different. To deny someone the ability to be happy with their partner. To deny someone the convention of marriage (because let's face it no one says when I grow up I want to get a civil union). The principle of separate but equal has been one of the greatest fallacies of our history, and I could just not support it (even if it were true). As a result, I left my church in favor of adopting the principle of love and respect for all people. In no way do I claim to be perfect, but I feel that this principle of love is much closer to what Christ may have been trying to get at than what modern day Christianity promotes.
Posted by MCHommes]]> Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:15:59 -0800 The Stranger http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aei…

The communiqué, signed by Fathers Guido Rodheudt, Hendrick Jolie and Uwe Winkel as well as German, Austrian and Swiss priests, launches a harsh attack on the “Call to Disobedience” which was published last summer by the Priests’ Initiative, a liberal movement with roots in Austria, that is asking for a review of the Church’s stance on homosexuality, celibacy and women’s access to the priesthood.

Cant be Gay! Cant have Sex! Cant be a Woman! must vote Republican! Must vote Republican and keep America strong for (record scratch)Vatican city? yes! Catholics do have a Nation and we don't need to slap it down in the middle of the middle east after kicking the crap out the earth after a world war?

since Gay people are more intelligent then Catholics and don't have any religious objection to serving our Great Nation in times of war we know where this is going.

One big Gay 4th of july! Put your colors on and bring it like Evel Knievel! God Bless Gay America.
Posted by slade]]> Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:31:51 -0800 The Stranger Posted by auntielarrie]]> Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:24:29 -0800 The Stranger Posted by rayray]]> Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:34:13 -0800 The Stranger What interest does the government have in who you live with and love? But there is obvious government interest in supporting the basic family unit which produces and raises the future members of our society.If marital benefits only applied where progeny were present, that argument might have value; so long as the elderly or infertile are allowed to enjoy state recognition, subsidy, and/or various special rights, the argument from procreation no explains the current state of civic marriage.
Posted by thelyamhound]]> Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:26:00 -0800 The Stranger
As to all the comments about Dominic flaming Fr Ryan I didn't get that at all! It was more a critisizm of church staff and the ridiculous response he got from them. In all probability Fr Ryan was never even notified that there was a reporter waiting on him. They kept him out of sight and in the dark for an hour and a half after all.

Yes, absolutely, Fr Ryan has no obligation to justify the church's or his opinions on the matter to the press. One thing is clear though, if church leadership let's radicaly minded parishoners do their speaking for them it'll be hard to percive the message as anything less then bigotry. They could use someone with a cool head to run a little PR every once and awhile.
Posted by Proteus101]]> Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:02:37 -0800 The Stranger Posted by ignatiusecc]]> Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:24:03 -0800 The Stranger ucc.org. They have so moved past all of this conservative, hateful ridiculousness that the Catholics, evangelicals, and Mormons seem to keep stirring up.
Posted by Sassy Dog]]> Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:08:56 -0800 The Stranger Posted by tiredofbs]]> Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:05:13 -0800 The Stranger
52, Fr. Ryan hasn't devoted his life to an institution--he's devoted it to serving the needs (spiritual and otherwise) of his parishioners.
Posted by Irish]]> Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:56:34 -0800 The Stranger
Despite their incompetence and sinfulness, I refuse to let these jokers hijack my religion. I don't worship them, I believe in a god who loves everyone regardless of who they love.. As the good books says, God created it all good.

Even Dominic, the author, saw the good those nuns taught him. There was and still is good there, sadly, many of the same men who covered up abuse are now lecturing us about marriage and contraceptives? WTF?

I won't let them take this faith from me. Gay, straight, bi, vegetarian, you name it- we are one.
Posted by Aint no assisi]]> Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:38:36 -0800 The Stranger
No good he may do can erase the evil he has made himself a part of.
Posted by RealityBites]]> Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:05:15 -0800 The Stranger Posted by annconnolly]]> Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:31:34 -0800 The Stranger "Why does anyone care what these old pedophiles have to say about anything? It is time for the Catholic Church to hold a going out of business sale and shut down the worlds most sophisticated ring of pedophiles."

EXACTLY. Could not have set it better myself.

Posted by gwenlane]]> Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:18:20 -0800 The Stranger
the church raped boys then criminally organized a RICO conspiracy to cover it up. when sued, they lie in court to hide the fact it's all one big corporation directed from the vatican, to let dioceses declare bankruptcy.

they discriminate against women.

they are trying to force hundreds of thousands of nurses and doctors in catholic affiliated hospitals to follow catholic church teaching on birth control -- this is attempted forced conversion.

they can do this because enough people stay in the church. look at connelly, big deal, he moves to another parish. wtf?

father ryan is part of a criminal enterprise that raped young boys and hid it and now works actively to harm gay people by denying them equal rights and to harm women and their families thru forcing them to convert to catholic teaching on birth control; he is an enabler as is jason hoetger and all the other enablers; you're in a pact with the devil. and btw the church history isn't all that great either what with popes living it up, feeding off the poor for centuries, etc.

why isn't the fucking catholic church up in arms about no national health care? about us torturing people? oh wait, they care more to stir up bigotry and hate than actually teaching the real teachings of jesus which were love your neighbor. what's more love your neighbor than gay rights, jason hoetger? why do you support a criminal enterprise that's so corrupt and evil?
Posted by bishops: evil cheating gangsters]]> Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:18:40 -0800 The Stranger
Fr Ryan is a man of integrity who is not afraid to express his opinion, even when it contradicts the received wisdom of the Church hierarchy (as proof, try googling Fr Michael G Ryan). That is far more than I can say for Dominic Holden. This abortion of an article, riddled with falsehoods and lazily-researched half-truths, only perpetuates ignorance. It is primarily ignorance that feeds the anti-gay hysteria in this country, so it is a great pity and sad irony that those who claim to support gay rights feed the flames with ignorant, amateurish works like this.
Posted by Jason Hoetger]]> Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:21:38 -0800 The Stranger
Fr Ryan is a man of integrity who is not afraid to express his opinion, even when it contradicts the received wisdom of the Church hierarchy (as proof, try googling Fr Michael G Ryan). That is far more than I can say for Dominic Holden. This abortion of an article, riddled with falsehoods and lazily-researched half-truths, only perpetuates ignorance. It is primarily ignorance that feeds the anti-gay hysteria in this country, so it is a great pity and sad irony that those who claim to support gay rights feed the flames with ignorant, amateurish works like this.
Posted by Jason Hoetger]]> Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:19:08 -0800 The Stranger