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New Sports Arena by Goldy en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Sat, 18 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Sat, 18 May 2013 17:45:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by Kitts]]> Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:15:39 -0800 The Stranger Posted by reality fan]]> Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:16:02 -0800 The Stranger
If they want money to fund a private enterprise then send them to a bank or let the fans buy their PSLs to pay for them. Don't take it out of the pockets of people who don't care about the teams.

I can watch teams from all over the country on TV, I don't need to have a local team, they aren't adding anything to my bank account. As soon as more people figure that out and stay away, the more likely the inflated ticket prices come down.
Posted by Cujo]]> Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:44:12 -0800 The Stranger
Posted by whatsbeckgottadowithit]]> Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:07:56 -0800 The Stranger
Given how the sports teams have yanked around Seattle, remember that Olympia and CG finally said enough was enough to the Sonics, I seriously doubt all the nifty promises will ever come to fruition. Don't forget they don't have tenants yet. So to get them *after* investing all that money will require some steep concessions. These agreements are always amended later, and never in the favor of the taxpayers.

Believe me, nobody is going to let a chance to let the public pay go by. All the promises and numbers are pure BS until they get it to the point where nobody backs out.

I find it hard to trust anyone with their one hand in my pocket and the other with the palm up. There will be more people along just like that. There always are.
Posted by Cujo]]> Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:55:35 -0800 The Stranger
#1 is completely right. There is no possible math in the known universe that supports another professional sports franchise is a city this size with the tax base and demographics we have.

Why is Seattle falling for this horse shit again?
Posted by tkc]]> Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:25:12 -0800 The Stranger
My point isn't about overpriced beer, it's that we'll get stuck with the leftover debt after the team leaves. The bankruptcy protections in the contract mean basically nothing; all they have to do is pull all the assets out of whatever shell corporation they set up, then let it go under when they break the contract. There won't be anything left to seize and we'll be stuck paying off the bonds with our tax money. Again.
Posted by Orv]]> Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:13:14 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Sportsvideo]]> Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:38:42 -0800 The Stranger
again after NBA strikes and NFL strikes we realize there is a cash flow problem and America can not entertain rich drunk slobs like Microsoft who will over develop over research over market over advertise and then totally crash and burn the entire dynasty as it cant maneuver around a 4 dollar made in Guatemala plug-in.

The only place for a new stadium is in the UW as it provides for more than just some rich freaks who are looking to sell beer t-shirts ball caps and $10 hot dogs that are 50% corn?

Integrating Pro sports and education is no stretch for my imagination but then again I am not a Republican and demand more than lies and bull shit.
Posted by slade]]> Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:13:26 -0800 The Stranger
http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archi…

From the article: "If Hansen can actually make the numbers pencil out, this could provide a model of how to build a sports facility without tapping the public purse — much, anyway. But there are still many chickens to hatch before they can be counted."
Posted by Spicy McHaggis]]> Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:17:16 -0800 The Stranger http://www.fieldofschemes.com/
Posted by Cujo]]> Sun, 26 Feb 2012 06:49:24 -0800 The Stranger
1. A new stadium boosts the worth of a franchise. The taxpayers who are essentially investing money into this aren't getting any of that!
2. A public stadium is desired as the various taxes, notably property taxes a sports team pays is greatly reduced.
3. You're building a stadium to (hopefully) attract a team? That's worked out well elsewhere. (Ask Kansas City!)
4. Just because it's a better deal than others have gotten in the past is no reason to say it's a good deal.
5. The teams are proposing a partnership where the taxpayers get all the obligations but none of the benefits.
6. I haven't quite seen where the owners have trotted out the projections of economic benefit yet but their numbers will be grossly inflated. They will also not take into account a number of things such as the income spent on the teams by patrons that would have been spent elsewhere and for a better economic return. Don't forget the income to the NBA and salaries paid to players will likely go out of the area too.
7. When the Dallas Cowboys wanted a new stadium they weren't encouraged by the mayor of Irving, Texas to stay as the amount of subsidies they desired did not balance the benefits. The Irving mayor was quoted as saying they were less than 1% of the Irving economy. After 30 years, the area around the stadium had no appreciable business growth. Dallas has the same problems with the NBA/NHL arena, it was always a bad deal and continues to be.
8. It's a private monopoly, dammit. Let them pay their own way. This really doesn't benefit anyone who doesn't care about sports. This is a large chunk of money to lay out for a minority of people.
Posted by Cujo]]> Sun, 26 Feb 2012 06:44:49 -0800 The Stranger Posted by cb]]> Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:37:55 -0800 The Stranger Taxpayer money for privately owned sports franchises and overpriced tickets/concessions.

Socialize the loss, privatize the profit.
And the guy/gal spouting off about how much the ghetto needs NBA millionaires to help the youth, if that is all that is holding your society together, you should swallow a shotgun shell because you are fucked.
Posted by heavyhebrew]]> Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:45:58 -0800 The Stranger
Well Goldy, I wonder if you felt your toes touch the top of that shark fin as you typed this article; and if you waved to the soon-to-be-stunned readers of the Stranger.
Posted by Texas10R]]> Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:17:57 -0800 The Stranger
What better way to keep people content than to constantly provide them with "bread and circuses." But, the reality is that all the government sponsored hockey, soccer, basketball, baseball and football will not solve the crisis we are in.

And, where did you get the notion that Washington's liberals were against the Seattle baseball and football stadiums? The people opposed to the stadia were those who thought government should not become partners with private enterprise (its a corporatism issue).
Posted by SteveEugster]]> Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:35:59 -0800 The Stranger
What better way to keep people content than to constantly provide them with "bread and circuses." But, the reality is that all the government sponsored hockey, soccer, basketball, baseball and football will not solve the crisis we are in.

And, where did you get the notion that Washington's liberals were against the Seattle baseball and football stadiums? The people opposed to the stadia were those who thought government should not become partners with private enterprise (its a corporatism issue).
Posted by SteveEugster]]> Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:32:47 -0800 The Stranger
You're wrong - the $300 million public contribution cited by the poster you questioned was indeed made by the taxpaying public as their share of this deal.

The funds you cite were Allen's contribution to this public/private "partnership."

Oh, and the actual public still owes money on the Kingdome.
Posted by Mr. X]]> Sat, 25 Feb 2012 02:25:24 -0800 The Stranger
Of the $300 million you mention, Paul Allen put up $150 million and bought the team . King county brought $75 million in Kingdome debt and bonded another $75 which has since been paid back. Not exactly "taxpayers picked up the bulk of the cost" but hey why let facts like that or that the public voted and approved this deal enter into your spin.
Posted by Rollinfree]]> Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:06:08 -0800 The Stranger http://www.edgeofsports.com/index.html) about stadiums deals in general, and what we know of the Seattle proposal.
Posted by MissEli]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2012 22:37:39 -0800 The Stranger
Well, it's also easy to find numerous scholarly research papers that have reached the exact opposite conclusion of the one you reached on the back of that napkin.

Posted by Mr. X]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:03:28 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Lesbians playing with balls... A real treat]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:00:56 -0800 The Stranger Posted by coropuna]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:29:24 -0800 The Stranger Posted by yellowdevil]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:01:27 -0800 The Stranger
@58 - Excellent point. To walk into a new NBA (and NHL) arena in Seattle and see muthafuckin STARBUXX for sale would be, to put it mildy, revolting.
Posted by merry]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:22:22 -0800 The Stranger