Comments On: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot by Dominic Holden http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/06/04/anti-gay-campaign-will-submit-petitions-on-wednesday Comments On: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot by Dominic Holden en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Tue, 21 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Tue, 21 May 2013 17:30:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by exdel81]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:25:54 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by PCM]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:55:36 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Somehow celebrating in a DC courthouse isn't very alluring.
Posted by caseyjay]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:25:12 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by Gordon Werner]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:25:23 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> "Washington voters approve of the law by a 54-33% margin. In addition to extraordinary support by Democrats (87%), the poll also found significant support among Independents, nearly mirroring the full poll, at 52-36%."

Hardly an attitude problem of "mainstream democrats."

The problem exists because the filthy fucking social conservatives put the issue on the ballot in the first place.

King County couldn't have pushed the domestic partnership vote over the finish line without the votes from the numerous inland counties who supported it even though those counties voted against it overall.

Why do conservatives, republicans, and christianists constantly project? They're already pathological liars. I suppose it's a logical progression.
Posted by Mark in Colorado]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:47:28 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]>
This is why I'm a strong supporter of Gay rights. I mean, besides the fact that it's the moral & decent thing to do. But this is not a side issue, or a distraction. The religious right has dominated American politics for over thirty years, and this is the one issue they can't retreat from, spin, re-frame, quibble or hide. It's at the center of their being & they're wrong. Constantly forcing this issue has brought them out into the light, for everyone to see how morally bankrupt they are. They can only lose. Their god has lost, he just doesn't know it yet.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:13:33 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by pox]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:20:28 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> I don't see how these measures can be so 50/50 borderline support when Washington State is so overwhelmingly Democrat and Liberal. I mean even when Inland Washington comes out in strong support say for a Dino Rossi, it still takes a good measure of Seattle and its exurbs to push such as person over the top.

That indicates to me that if there is a problem, it is more in the attitudes of the mainstream Democrats rather than the "Social Conservatives" whose vote shouldn't really register if the Democrats were unified.

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:13:44 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by very bad homo]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:13:39 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> "no state has ever voted to support gay marriage" meme, that's a lie to an extent. First off, they were bans in all but two cases, and in all of these cases -- every single one -- there was a distinct voter inclination against marriage equality.

In short, it was very calculated. They only picked states that had every demographic advantage possible and they have polls in the field all year to pick them out. For North Carolina, it would have happened years ago if it weren't for the Dems being in control all this time up until a couple of years ago.

In California, it was the court case. It's harder -- a lot harder -- to support an act of court on the matter than a legislative act. All those polls asked pointedly if people supported gay marriage, but not if they supported ratifying a court decision outside the public's hands. In the few cases they did those Field Poll results were closer and within the ultimate margin of error, even when the famous "57%" poll came out. In Maine, again, demographics suggested it would potentially fail to be legalized and that happened.

For Washington State and Maryland, the polling already has the solid margin of strong support there. The support for gay marriage, often lower than support for the legalization thereof, is a good base to begin with. We also shouldn't discount the fact that opposition to marriage equality is so low.

Ignore the polls. Assume we have the advantage and that we're just not motivated enough. Counter lies with actual gay couples, show the love and not the hate, fight to make our presence known and always -- always -- remember that Washington State is built on love and joy and not the will of less than 200,000 voters. Then get out the vote!
Posted by Baconcat]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:46:08 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]>
The number of people signing is not an indication of support, it's only an indication of how eager people are to put pen to paper on an issue. If signatures mattered we'd decide the issue on the basis of just collecting them, we don't.

The fact that the APPROVE R-74 campaign is way ahead of the curve is more an indication of actual support than this petition. And they even knew it was coming to the ballot before the law went before the legislature and prepared to get the word out to APPROVE R-74 accordingly.

So, yeah... yawn. Bring it on :)
Posted by Baconcat]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:36:28 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by mykelbarber]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:35:30 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by JensR]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:34:06 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]>
tax-exempt churches?
Posted by Max Solomon]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:25:28 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by Hernandez]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:22:52 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> PMW is anti-gay marriage not necessarily anti-gay

Let's see...

Such-and-such is anti-blacks marrying whites not necessarily anti-black

Posted by Joe Szilagyi]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:17:36 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by olive oyl]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:16:42 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by biffp]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:07:12 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by Bauhaus I]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:03:29 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by DavidC]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:02:04 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by tabski]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:02:00 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by Theodore Gorath]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:58:33 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]>
Remember, 'No state has ever upheld marriage equality at the ballot' yet. There's a first time for everything, and our fair state has a good chance of being it.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:55:11 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by Hernandez]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:48:12 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Anti-Gay Campaign Apparently Has Enough Signatures to Put Marriage on the Ballot]]> Posted by hermann]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:46:08 -0700 The Stranger