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      <![CDATA[*blink blink*  Words of sense from Justin Beiber.  Clearly, it's time to start drinking already.   He's got a very good point.  And when even a fluff headed teen idol can see it clearly, it reeeeaaalllyy does make you wonder about Washington. *blink*
        
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      <![CDATA[@43 even if he does not directly employ the bodyguard, he could demand/reequire his subcontractors to offer the benefits and wages he deems right and just.  especially now that he is at the top of his game.  but, i'm betting he doesn't.  i do cut him some slack (he's only 16) but let's not quote him on national health policy either.  even if on this one issue he's right.  even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.
        
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      <![CDATA[HuffPo: "It's a surprisingly astute observation for a 16-year old superstar singer."<br />
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No, it only seems surprising or astute to those for whom universal health insurance is not the norm. Bieber has a perfectly typical political belief which practically every 16-year-old Canadian shares (and most other age groups too). As @13 said, pride in our health care system is a fundamental part of our national cultural identity.
        
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      <![CDATA[Danny, you are so right.<br>
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But please help us understand how to pay for insurance for everyone....
        
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      <![CDATA[Bieber is probably not the employer of his bodyguard. I'm sure he employs a firm who have the expertise to train bodyguards, which Beiber himself does not.
        
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      <![CDATA[Umm, isn't Bieber the employer of his bodyguard? Doesn't he have the option to offer the poor guy medical insurance out of his bamillions of dollars?<br>
The evil American is YOU, Beebs!!
        
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      <![CDATA[@37: What I understand about health insurance down there, is that what looks good on paper when you buy it doesn't always turn out so great when it comes to cash it in.<br />
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If you want to know what's wrong with America, it's a long history of that sort of thing. And I'm not talking about health insurance, either.
        
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      <![CDATA[@32: yeah. So let's put that another way.<br />
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Just any dipshit Canadian can tell you what's wrong with the system. Even Justin Bieber.<br />
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      <![CDATA[I don't know that this comment will be read as it now comes so far down on the thread.  I just thought it would be interesting to point out how the US Health Care system also sucks money from rich foreigners as well.<br />
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As a Canadian living in Norway (also with universal health care), I ran across a news article a few months ago about a Norwegian student who was studying in the US.  He was bit by a rattle snake, was in the hospital overnight and released the next morning, and the Norwegian Government received a bill for over 300 000 USD.  <br />
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      <![CDATA[NRA should pay all medical bills for anyone injured by a gun, any time, any where, any reason (in the US of course). They want no controls? fine. They need to pay for the consequences/
        
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      <![CDATA[our system needs fixing for sure....but....why doesnt Justin B offer his employees excellent insurance, like any good employer should ??  He's totally free to do that...does he choose not to?   Does he pay his employees a living wage, or even better, how about a great salary for protecting the Beib?<br />
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or his he a limosuine liberal talking out his arse?
        
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      <![CDATA[Not much I can add here that hasn't been said. I think the major problem is that the insurance and big pharma lobbies have insanely deep pockets. Add that kind of money to the fact that it's already far easier to convince gullible voters that, "Hey, you don't want the government taking your hard-earned money to give health care to these irresponsible uninsured poor people," than it is to explain all the hidden ways (such as #18 and #30 outlined) in which you're already being taken for a ride by the current system. For the life of me, I cannot understand why nobody in a position of power has had the sense to sell universal health care as "Medicare for all." Medicare may have its shortcomings, but if Grandma can have her medical bills paid by the government, why shouldn't the rest of us?
        
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      <![CDATA[I've never really had a problem with the Biebs. I'm not a pre-teen, and not his target audience. My generation can't exactly stand in judgement. I remember most of my 6th grade class dying over New Kids on the Block. But now I might have to admit to actually LIKING him a little bit.
        
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      <![CDATA[It's such a lottery.  I mean, it's great that those 3 hospitals are waiving their fees, but I bet the people who ended up in the other 2 hospitals are cursing their luck and the police or medics who chose to take them to these hospitals, rather than those.  The US health system is absolutely unbelievable for a developed country.  <br />
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And no, I don't believe that you necessarily get better care when you pay for it privately: an investigation some years ago in the UK demonstrated that much better care was delivered in National Health Service teaching hospitals than in private hospitals.  The reason seemed to be that the surgeons and doctors were simultaneously doing their medical work and also demonstrating to groups of student doctors and nurses, so their practices had to be absolutely by the book.  This was not the case in private hospitals, where the same surgeons often took risky short-cuts.
        
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      <![CDATA[A good friend of mine is being treated for serious illness.  S/he has really good private insurance.  <br />
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S/he's selling furniture and borrowing money just to cover for the co-payments and uninsured parts.  <br>
        
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      <![CDATA[In the same interview he condemns abortion so fuck him. Maybe 20 year old rich kids aren't as wise as you think
        
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      <![CDATA[I couldn't agree more. I have a chronic digestive problem. For the first three years, I was still employed and had insurance, but I was still paying a tremendous amount of money in co-pays and deductibles, so much that for the first time in my life I was able to use itemized deductions rather than the standard deduction on my taxes. All because of the cost of my health care.<br />
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Then I got too sick to work and had to leave my job. I did get COBRA for 18 months and thanks to Obama, the cost of that was partially subsidized so I only had to pay $175 a month, rather than over $300. <br />
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But now that I'm uninsured and still unable to work, I look at that time as the "good ol' days". In just 18 months of being uninsured, I've incurred well over $20,000 in medical costs, and that wasn't with a lot of medical care. I did have two procedures and two diagnostic tests, but no surgery or hospital stays. That was all from doctor and lab bills, and the costs of using the hospital for the procedures. <br />
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I've tried to get on SS Disability, but have been denied twice. I am appealing again, of course, but in the current political climate, unless you are literally dying in front of the judge, they consider you healthy enough to work. Never mind that about half the time I am dealing with symptoms that are mix of food poisoning and pancreatitis symptoms. I dare that judge to work while so nauseous he feels like he's swimming in it, or while in the amount of pain I consider to be "normal".<br />
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I am eligible for my state's high-risk pool, which is stopgap until AHA fully kicks in in 2014 and insurance companies can no longer deny for pre-existing conditions, but the premiums are insanely expensive ($1,100 a month for the same coverage I was getting through my COBRA at only $300 per month) and without a job, I just cannot afford them.<br />
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But here in America, profit is king, regardless of how you have to get it or who it hurts in the process. It makes me ever sicker than I already am.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yeah, health care is right up there with education (crazy unequal primary), taxation (crazy unequal), and guns (just crazy) with things that are fucked up with our country (fellow american, yo!).  the for-profit insurance industry that consumes TONS of money; malpractice lawsuits/lawyers that drive costs way the fuck up (yes, of course some lawsuits are with merit, but as the #1 country of frivolous lawsuits, it drives all costs up- and dad's a lawyer); the pharma-complex that pays reps shitloads and wines and dines doctors spending sick sick money on them (brother's a neurologist)--  wow-  if only you could take away all the lobbyists and PACs it really wouldn't be so challenging to get done what needs to get done- baseline health coverage for all;  the wealthy or those who choose, can spend extra $$$ to get extra special medical care.   ughhhhhhhhh!!!!
        
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      <![CDATA[I would agree...I am alive today partiality due to the fact I had very expensive free medical insurance (because of where I worked)...at each of the instances when I needed it. If I had not had this coverage I seriously doubt I would have been given a quarter of a million dollar heart surgery...I would be fertilizer as we speak....K<br>
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My father was Canadian...I am U.S. Citizen, I am pursuing my dual citizenship for just this reason...and also I love Canadians...I am blood....with them.
        
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      <![CDATA[@Jason Peterson. In light and in the context of what has happened NOW. Yes I believe it can have an effect.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:25:19 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Insurance companies, not health care companies.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:22:39 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Deebs, that is an interesting article, and one that every die-hard conservative should read.  Not that any of them would be reading the comments on Dan Savage's blog, but here it is for the folks who have the unregistered commenters blocked:  <a href="http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/07/12/how-i-lost-my-fear-universal-health-care" rel="nofollow">http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/20&hellip;</a>.  <br />
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It is the profit motivation that makes health care in the U.S. such a sick system.  Profit and greed go hand in hand.  I don't know where I heard this, but health care companies seem to have a motto of "delay, deny and hope they die".
        
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      <![CDATA[Yes.<br />
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Healthcare is not just another product in the marketplace.  The problem with the Republican vision of healthcare reform, such as it is, is that their 'plans' all treat healthcare like just another product, and that the invisible hand of the marketplace will solve all.  <br />
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Tell a seriously injured gunshot victim to clip coupons and do comparison shopping when deciding which ER or trauma center to "patronize".<br />
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Healthcare is a right in a civilized society.  Conservatives despise this notion, but it is already partially handled that way, in that an ER cannot legally deny care to someone who is dying.  <br />
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It is well past the time when more cost-effective preventative care, care for chronic conditions, and other care that is not immediately a matter of life-and-death should be also be universally available--and at something less than a financially ruinous cost.
        
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      <![CDATA[This article has an interesting point of view from an American woman who moved to Canada: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/20&hellip;<br>
        
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