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      <![CDATA[@14:<br />
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The percentage of doctors accepting new Medicare patients <em>has</em> declined.  But not by as much as the percentage accepting new <strong>privately-insured non-Medicare patients</strong>.<br />
<br />
From <a href="http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=487085" rel="nofollow">Declines in Physician Acceptance of Medi&hellip;</a>, <em>Archives of Internal Medicine</em> 2011;171:1117-1119.<br />
<blockquote>The percentage of physicians accepting new patients did not vary significantly between 2005 and 2008, ranging from 94.2% to 95.3%. Physician acceptance of new Medicare patients dropped from 95.5% in 2005 to 92.9% in 2008 (P= .01) (Figure). Physicians in private practice were largely responsible for the declining acceptance of Medicare patients as determined in stratified analyses (95.5% in 2005 vs 93.0% in 2008;P= .01) (eTable; <a href="http://www.archinternmed.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.archinternmed.com</a>).<br />
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There was a more pronounced decline in physician acceptance of patients with private noncapitated insurance (93.3% in 2005 vs 87.8% in 2008;P.001). A smaller percentage of adult primary care physicians accepted private noncapitated patients over the study period (97.3% in 2005 vs 89.9% in 2008;P.001).<br />
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Rates of acceptance of new Medicaid and private capitated patients were lower than Medicare and private non-capitated insurance, but also showed a decline over the study period. Acceptance of self-paying patients was more than 96% in all years and did not change significantly<br />
over the study period.</blockquote><br />
But why let facts interfere with the lying preconceptions you've been fed?
        
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      <![CDATA[@33 (5280, and also at Gay Dude for Rmoney): We actually care what both of you dipsticks think.  You, 5280, and also you, Gay Dude.  We are interested in hearing your opinions.  <br />
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Because they're just so, um, fucked up.  Both you guys are fuckin' nutters, you know.  And very entertaining because of that.  You're both windows into the weird twisted soul of the conservative side.  We care what you think.  And we point out how nutty your thinking is, over and over.  Very entertaining. <br />
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5280, thanks for flip-flopping, glad it finally took something as easy as picking Ryan for veep.  But now do try not to make your new besties look bad, okay.  Please behave somewhat civil.  <br />
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P.s. I know I am a poor example of 'being civil'.  Stick it.
        
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      <![CDATA[@37<br />
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What I know is Romney cannot win without Ohio.  They're working on that.<br />
<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/?p=670441" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/?p=670441</a><br />
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I know Florida is very important to Romney's electoral strategy.  They're working on that.<br />
<a href="http://goo.gl/uIkPu" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/uIkPu</a><br />
<br />
I know Pennsylvania state house majority leader Tom Turzai thinks the new state voter ID law should place PA in Romney's hands.<br />
<a href="http://goo.gl/RPBFH" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/RPBFH</a><br />
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What I don't know is if the voters inside the liberal foam within many "big, populous swing states" will give into eye-rolling complacency over the Ryan choice, sit on their hands come November, and turn Obama's current electoral-college advantage over to Romney--along with Congress AND the next few SCOTUS justices.<br />
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After five years living and working in the South, I do know I don't want some Biloxi chapter of Sons of The Confederacy becoming a National model.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[@32, 37<br />
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Bingo.
        
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      <![CDATA[@35 Go concern troll somewhere else, Phoebe. <br />
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Laurence, you do know that Obama does not have to win every state to be re-elected, don't you? Rmoney's troubles in big, populous swing states are waaaay more pressing than whether or not Obama plays well to the Biloxi chapter of Sons of the Confederacy.
        
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      <![CDATA[@34, The Republicans aren't stupid. They will "phase in" the consequences of their policy so that no one who is currently on Medicare will be part of their reform. Elderly voters will be allowed to keep their Medicare exactly as it is. They won't hesitate to vote to ruin it for future elderly.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ryan sure isn't a Sarah Palin. <br />
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5280: GDfR asked you why you changed your mind. I don't understand the hostility.
        
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      <![CDATA[The irony of it is, the majority of elderly voters are Conservative. If Paul Ryan gets his way and Medicare gets gutted, these older voters will presumably die at much higher rates for lack of access to healthcare. <br />
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Which would in turn mean that the electorate would become less conservative over time, since the conservatives who vote for people like Ryan will die much earlier than they do now.<br />
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Short term? An austerity budget that will cripple the US economy and destroy countless lives. Long term? An electorate that won't vote Republican again for a generation.
        
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      <![CDATA[@30: I'm quite positive most Sloggers don't give a flying fuck about what you think.
        
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      <![CDATA[@21<br />
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<blockquote>You are partly right, in that many low information voters do vote according to their emotions and their gut impressions of candidates.<br />
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And Obama wins that crowd by a landslide. Because most of those people personally like Obama while they can't stand Romney...</blockquote><br />
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In Savannah--much of the South--they may dislike/distrust Romney, but they despise Obama.  <em>Despise him.</em><br />
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In Georgia, the GOP/TeaParty controls all three branches of state government.  GA has one of the most restrictive voter eligibility laws in the nation.  (Out-of-State college students who voted with ease in '08 are in for a very rude surprise come Nov.  Also, early voting after Sunday church services is a big deal in GA--they've shortened the voting window.  And don't get me started on the numbers of elderly in the state who have legally voted in numerous election cycles sans photo-ID who, unaware of the new law, stand to be disenfranchised in Nov.)<br />
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Progressives down here are arranging carpools to identify and get these folks--many of whom haven't driven in years--to a local DMV to get the ID.  It's a race to the finish.<br />
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But back to your and Goldy's points:  Ryan is catnip tea to the baggers.  And even assuming Romney's choice of Rep. Ryan is "a Really Stupid" one, it will drive Rightists to the polls like a Junebug to a porchlight.<br />
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Frankly, I am less concerned that Obama will lose in November than I am the GOP--through turnout and suppression--will cement their control of Congress.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@ 29<br />
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And we can't have any kind of cost controls in this country because our "free market" healthcare is such a raging success that it's left us with the worst outcomes of any developed nation.
        
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      <![CDATA[@27: I'm quite positive that most Sloggers are relieved when I bother to respond to your requests for answers. <br />
:-)
        
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      <![CDATA[@22 & 26 National health services, like those in Canada and the UK, as well as most private health insurance plans, have much stricter cost control mechanisms than the Medicare system. You can read more about that here:<br />
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<a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/07/opinion/oe-klein7" rel="nofollow">http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/07/&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[@24: You make good points.
        
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      <![CDATA[@ 25, I suggest you answer @ 16 and @ 17.
        
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      <![CDATA[By the way, I don't think Medicare for All would bankrupt the nation. Let's remember that the risk pool in Medicare right now is everyone over 65 plus a few people with specific diseases. Open the risk pool to some younger, healthier people and you might see its costs come down a bit.<br />
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Private insurance companies aren't going bankrupt providing these folks with insurance, so I don't see why the government would.
        
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      <![CDATA[@23: Uuuuoooo. I suggest you go back to bed.
        
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      <![CDATA[For me, the Ryan plan is exactly the point where theory bumps against reality. In theory, Libertarians and conservative Republicans would say that providing medical insurance is not a proper role for government. They are willing, however, to acknowledge that the government does have a duty to provide a safety net. So the theoretical solution would be for the government to provide a voucher to pay for some (or all, if it is cheap enough) of the medical insurance costs for a person who could not generally acquire medical insurance on their own. Doing so would be perfectly consistent with their principles. If you want medical insurance, then buy it. If you really can't afford it, then the government will help you buy it, but the government shouldn't be providing it.<br />
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I totally get that and I totally agree with the idea. But we don't live in an ideal world. We live in a real world full of squishy, fleshy, emotional human beings who don't necessarily make rational choices and who suffer from various weaknesses.<br />
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The reality of the medical insurance marketplace presents, on one hand, the greed, rapacity and collusion of medical insurance companies, and, on the other hand, the dire consequences of going un-insured. It is not a fair market with a willing buyer and a willing seller. Think of this: suppose that you had a disease and you would die if you didn't get a big, orange pill. Now, how much will you pay for that big, orange pill? You would pay all that you have and all that you could borrow, wouldn't you? Does it matter how much it cost to produce that pill? No. Not at all. What matters is that you cannot produce that pill. That's not a fair market.<br />
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That's why every industrialized nation (except this one) has created a government medical insurance plan. Even here, in the land of "I got mine, Fuck you.", we provide it for folks over 65 - who would be the most expensive to insure and who want the insurance most desperately.<br />
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So all that the Obama campaign will need to say is this: "Mr. Ryan wants to take away your Medicare and replace it with a voucher that you can use to go out and try to buy medical insurance. The voucher will pay for only a shrinking fraction of the cost of insurance. People who cannot pay, will die." And then run the scene from the Republican debate when the crowd cheers the death of the hypothetical person who didn't have health insurance. "That's the way that Mr. Ryan designed it."
        
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      <![CDATA[@14: Shut the fuck up, asshole.
        
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Cheaper than what we have now, which is also bankrupting the country as well as lowering quality of life and life expectancy.
        
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You are partly right, in that many low information voters do vote according to their emotions and their gut impressions of candidates.<br />
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And Obama wins that crowd by a landslide. Because most of those people personally like Obama while they can't stand Romney, a draft dodging Mormon who makes $60,000 A DAY while "unemployed" and who owns a mansion with a car elevator in it and who likes to fire people.<br />
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Nothing is going to change most people's impression of who Romney is as a person.<br />
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And certainly not a VP pick which usually means very little as far as votes are concerned.<br />
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No one cares if the VP is a Bush, Quayle, Gore, Kemp or Biden. No one.<br />
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The only time a VP pick matters is when it blows up in the candidate's face if their pick hasn't been properly vetted. (see Sarah Palin and Thomas Eagleton) And even Palin energized ultra conservatives who weren't excited by McCain.<br />
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Otherwise, few people really give a shit.<br />
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This pick energizes the right for Romney and it energizes the left for Obama (minus a few evangelicals who will not, under any circumstance vote for a Mormon/ Catholic ticket).<br />
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I say this is a draw.<br />
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And by a draw, I mean a plus for the incumbent who is already winning.
        
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