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      <![CDATA[so what do you do when a bus almost takes you over and then when you confront them they yelled at you and tell you to "shut up!, did I hit you? are you in the ground?, no? then Shut up!" Then you call Metro to complaint and then 2 months later you have not heard a word from them about what actions they took against the bus driver?
        
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      <![CDATA[@70, "Seattle drivers are statistically some of the worst in the nation" According to what statistic?  The 2012 Allstate list doesn't have Seattle in the top 25 (<a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2012/08/28/cities-with-the-worst-drivers-2012/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany&hellip;</a>)
        
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      <![CDATA[@73 I hate crossing guards and school zones.  Guess what?
        
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      <![CDATA[#69, just so you know, we HATE those blinking lights.
        
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      <![CDATA[#68, yeah I am a windbag, an idiot, and a coward. I am the spawn of Satan, and (worse yet) a Republican. I drive an S.U.V., and I smoke cigars and use a cellphone while I am driving. Did I mention the quarter-pounder with cheese? I listen to classic rock. I speed, I roll through stop signs. I live in a single-family house with a lawn. I refuse to pay $5 for a cupcake.<br />
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But guess what? I've got 3,000 pounds on you. So watch out.
        
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      <![CDATA[My mom gave me a piece of advice, which she got from being a motorcycle driver…  Ride as if you are completely invisible. Pretend none of the cars or other bikes can see you, because they probably don't. Don't assume people are looking out for you, giving you the right of way, respecting the bike lane. Ride "invisible" and defensive and you'll be safer. And ya, it makes me slower, but I've never been in an incident with a car yet.
        
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      <![CDATA[What 4 and Fnarf said. Asking The Stupid to change their habits is insane. Seattle drivers are statistically some of the worst in the nation, and that won't ever improve.<br />
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We're still in the behavior modification phase of this project, which means cyclists have to remove their head from their ass and do their best to stay alive FIRST, then do what they can to help educate The Stupid.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm a daily bike commuter, and personally I route myself to avoid riding next to parked cars, which adds a mile or so to my commute, and isn't practical for most people.<br />
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When I do ride down something like, 24th Avenue into Ballard, I brake the whole way (without braking, you'll get up to 25-30mph depending on your pedaling and the wind conditions) to keep my speed at no more than 20mph.  That's the limit at which I feel comfortable that I can reliably scan the densely parked cars back windows to determine if there's anyone in the driver's seat who might be about to open their door.  Tinting works against you (there's a lot of this), the B and C pillars work against you as you approach at an oblique angle, and Seattle's dim light during commuting hours in the grey months also works against you.  <br />
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Even with all that, and your lights blinking to alert drivers (who are required by law to verify that it's safe for them to open their door), it's a bit tricky.  People open doors quickly, and on a downhill, frequently damp street, stopping power is curtailed.  Plus you have to worry about another cyclist bombing past you, completely unannounced, on the your left if you need to get a little more distance from the parked cars.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@59-  You're an idiot and a coward.  You may have noticed (as I do) that there's a large chunk of automobile drivers who ignore the rules whenever they can get away with it, speeding, rolling stop signs, making illegal turns, merging stupidly...  But you don't have any animus towards them because you are one of them.  You think of life as a team sport and you're team has cars.  So fuck you, you (probably) fat, (certainly) stupid windbag.
        
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      <![CDATA[@58<br />
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Well you really showed me didn't you? Now get out there and ride in the door zone as fast as you can! Because you're right! Being right is what it's all about.<br />
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(Buy some health insurance, OK?)
        
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      <![CDATA[40. As a pedestrian who's looked through a lot of car windows, I can attest that while some are tinted most aren't. Even with tinted windows you can see through many... if it's deeply tinted enough to not see, just presume there's someone possibly in the driver's side seat and tread accordingly.<br />
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Basically, take it slow and with caution when passing parked cars. Cycling on urban streets is a dangerous practice that requires a great deal of caution in any case.
        
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      <![CDATA[The people who door cyclists are oblivious to their surroundings at best. There might be a select few sociopaths who do it maliciously, but I'd imagine most who do it just aren't paying attention to anyone but themselves. It's a sad reality.<br />
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Back when I rode regularly my strategy was always to try and look through the windows ahead to see if motorists were sitting in the left side... an indication that someone may be about to throw their door open.
        
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      <![CDATA[@ 55, I said widen the streets for the parking lane. Is that really obscured by the way I closed @7?<br />
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Anyway, urban policy in places like Seattle HAS been to make it harder to drive, at least via inaction on growing congestion. Has that done anything to encourage biking? Or are people (even the enlightened denizens of Capitol Hill) still buying SUV's and making trips of less than a mile in them?
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh and also, if you bicyclist could rally for a bike bridge from West Seattle to Downtown and win; I'd so be on your side.
        
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      <![CDATA[I do sympathize with bike riders, but you need to understand that a car (much less as bus) cannot maneuver as well as a bicycle. You also need to understand that there are visibility disadvantages in a vehicle. You need to ride in a way that allows you to be seen. Not in a this is my lane too way crossing in front of vehicles. I have seen great bike riders and also ones that are really taking chances out there. Guess it is up to you.
        
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      <![CDATA[#27, you should wish that Seattle's bicyclists pay their fair share.
        
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      <![CDATA[p.s. #22, if you "take the lane," you'd better be damn sure that there are people around to see what happens next.
        
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      <![CDATA[#22, I live north of downtown, and trust me, I don't give a flying fuck whether you or any other bicyclist lives or dies. I'm sick and tired of your arrogance, your constant breaking of the law, and of your habit of making demands without wanting to pay a single goddamned cent of vehicle taxes on your precious bike. So fuck you, fuck your bike, and fuck that mayor who you love and who we are going to toss out on his fat ass next year.
        
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      <![CDATA[49- Durrrr.  Motorcycles go in roads with other vehicles in separated lanes going the same speed as them.  That's exactly what bicyclists want.  Ride your motorcycle in bike lanes touching car doors or roads filled with Hummers going 3x as fast as you, and then you can whine about personal responsibility.
        
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      <![CDATA[@13-  I'm looking at that picture, and it's not in an urban core at all.  Do a google image search for segregated bike lanes and you'll find some on vibrant streets, or as vibrant as a street can be that is three car lanes wide.
        
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      <![CDATA[@18-  When a car gets doored, the door loses badly.  Trust me, I doored a car once.  <br />
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A scooter or motorcycle isn't segregated into the section of road which gets almost entirely taken up by an opening car door.<br />
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    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:42:22 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[@53 and 54: in @7 you said: "Widen the streets", which Fnarf rightly called out as dumb idea. <br />
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The first part of your @7 had to do w/the lanes, which I'm agnostic on. But widening the streets is wrong. I'm not anti-car per se, but I do think making it harder to drive (and drive fast in particular) is just common sense in urban areas. Especially if you want lively, dense, and pedestrian/bike friendly urban areas.
        
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      <![CDATA[Edit: TELL me who's picking a fight. (Hell, tell me Fnarf wasn't being obtuse when he responded to that suggestion in the manner that he did.)
        
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      <![CDATA[@ 51, I made a simple suggestion about widening the parking lane while leaving the bike and traffic lanes at their current width. Go back and read the comments, and rell me who's picking a fight here.
        
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      <![CDATA[I love the bike lanes in my neighborhood in Nishinomiya, Japan.  There are four lanes of traffic bordered on each side by a small metal fence and a little hedge, then the bike lane, then the sidewalk.  Everyone's got their own spot.  I guess it's the lack of on-street parking that makes this possible - if you want to park, you have to find a parking lot, where you're not likely to door anyone.
        
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