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    <author><![CDATA[You're Analogizing The Wrong Parts Of A Household Budget]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[@3 "First of all, that money has to come from somewhere, and that would be the income taxes of an already strapped middle class"<br>
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You didn't pay a lot of attention when the Republicans forced the debt crisis, that got the nation's credit rating downgraded, did you?<br>
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This money is created by the Federal Government offering it. That's exactly what the full faith and credit is all about.<br>
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Now, the US Federal Government has never used the age-old accounting trick that other governments have used to balance the books, namely, deciding later that they simply did not need to honor some or all past promises, usually on the context that the revolution, the succession, or simply the inability of whomever to force the issue, absolved them of the obligation.<br>
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That said, there are many other techniques that can be utilized in balancing the books that are not income taxes on the currently imperiled middle class, including a mix of such disparate things as the fact that investors currently want to make what are functionally interest free loans, decreasing military or other spending, realizing future savings from a more functional health care system, tax code adjustments that actually favor the middle class, forced inflation, etc.<br>
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In short, the Federal Government is not under your supposed financial constraints.<br>
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Further, not only would we all benefit from increased spending in the US economy, and the medical field is part of that, but investors are virtually giving us money. As this stimulates the economy, that actually increases tax generation, putting additional funds into the pot to pay for themselves. It's almost like giving the Federal Government a license to print money. Which, by the way, they also have.
        
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      <![CDATA[Face it, in the race to the bottom, electing McKinley would be the steep incline to the deepest pit.
        
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      <![CDATA[@3 and @7 (ScROTUm): The extra "free" federal money comes from federal taxes that are less regressive than Washington State's, the most regressive in the country. It comes from people who are better off -- excepting the financial élite, obviously -- to help people at the bottom of the heap. And every State in the Union except Vermont has a regressive tax system; Vermont's is more or less flat. But not to worry. Last I heard, Washington State was considering using it to buy for-profit insurance for poor people on the Exchange, so even you and Rob McKenna will have something to be happy about.
        
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      <![CDATA[@5<br />
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No, Goldy.  What is funny is that when you have the Megaphone of a SLOG post you are all lofty...but when someone calls you out in comments with a rational argument you show that you are just as much a goon as the other customers here.<br />
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You see, real gold glitters both on a pedestal, and in the mud.  <br>
        
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      <![CDATA[@Goldy, among the <a href="http://www.advisory.com/~/media/Advisory-com/Daily-Briefing/2012/07/DB_medicaid_map_lg_7_12.jpg" rel="nofollow">previously waffling</a> states, <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/15/1013071/medicaid-expansion-could-save-michigan-almost-1-billion/" rel="nofollow">Michigan</a> has come to the same conclusion, and perhaps even <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/2012/10/14/4911019/state-spending-195k-to-study-medicaid.html" rel="nofollow">Idaho</a> can scrape together the intelligence to make a sensible choice.
        
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      <![CDATA[@3 You're funny. Great troll parody.
        
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      <![CDATA[Gee - I wonder which counties rely the most on Medicaid?  Could it be the red ones? Yet who will be voting to shoot themselves in the foot by voting for McKenna....   <br />
GOP hypocrisy.  <br />
        
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      <![CDATA[<br />
In general I am glad that someone is standing up and (maybe) saying that getting "free money" from the Feds really isn't the way we should be going.   First of all, that money has to come from somewhere, and that would be the income taxes of an already strapped middle class.  And since the paper trail gets longer when it goes to Washington (DC) and comes back to Washington (state) people have less control and say over spending.<br />
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It's easy to say "oh, but we'll get this money from Washington", but whose money is it, and what else is it taking money from?   <br />
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And if it's all about an endless cycle of free money, when will health care costs ever be curtailed?  (Romney's point).<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[Some nameless, faceless liberal PAC needs to start carpet-bombing the state with ads targeting old people labeling McKenna as "Anti-Medicaid".
        
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      <![CDATA[I haven't been following the gubernatorial race as much as the presidential, but as little as I'm expecting from Inslee, this alone would be enough to make me want to vote against McKenna.
        
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