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      <![CDATA[So will all cars be banned from Broadway, then? Boy, I'm glad I don't live on Capitol Hill. Bad enough now, but it's going to be a complete mess in the near future. Where will the junkies throw their needles, by the way?
        
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      <![CDATA[Broadway is one of the most walkable streets in Seattle.    <br />
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why we need a street car that runs between two light rail stops seems crazy to me.  <br />
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but that's SOP for transit in this town...
        
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      <![CDATA[@1: While I understand the appeal of running a streetcar down Aloha, I wouldn't call that the "natural" route. Aloha isn't classified as a transit street by the SDOT, meaning that Metro couldn't even run one bus a day on that street without getting permission.<br />
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Take a look at the map:<br />
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<a href="http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/docs/Transit%20Classifications22006150dpi.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/do&hellip;</a><br />
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You can see that there are a lot of really minor streets which are classified as "transit streets". If a street isn't on the list, that means that it's not a natural route to anywhere.<br />
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In contrast, here's the list of transit priority corridors:<br />
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<a href="http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/docs/transit/Priority_Corridors_from_TMP.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/do&hellip;</a><br />
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If we have any extra money to spend on streetcars, we're going to go along Eastlake to the U-District (like the 70), along Westlake to Ballard (like the 40), and in and around downtown.<br />
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Realistically, once you get north of Roy St, there just isn't enough demand to warrant a high-capacity service like a streetcar. A frequent bus would do just fine.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[Biking on Capitol Hill is fucked up now and will be for several more years thanks to the streetcar. I'm not convinced the cycletrack is going to be so great either, is to contain both directions of bicycle traffic within it?
        
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      <![CDATA[Thank you!!!! - <a href="http://seattlebikeblog.com/tag/cycle-tracks/" rel="nofollow">http://seattlebikeblog.com/tag/cycle-tra&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[@10 the trolley is going to bring a cycletrack to Broadway, which means Cap Hill will be one of the best places to bike in the entire city.
        
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      <![CDATA[Does anyone else hate the trolley because it totally fucks up biking in Cap Hill?
        
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      <![CDATA[#7<br />
<blockquote><br />
Myth:<br />
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Buses can run on steep grades, but light rail cars are limited to grades of 6%.<br />
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Reality:<br />
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Rubber-tired vehicles such as buses have incrementally better traction on dry pavement, but significantly lower traction in wet, icy, or snowy conditions. Furthermore, electric light rail transit (LRT) railcars – including streetcars (trams) – are capable of negotiating much steeper grades than is commonly assumed and included in system designs.<br />
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In general, it advisable to minimize grades on any new transit system as much as possible. However, where necessary (to access critical sections of a city, to contain costs, or for other reasons), LRT can handle grades as steep as 12% (depending on vehicle design, motor power, and other technical capabilities). <br />
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<a href="http://www.lightrailnow.org/myths/m_mythlog001.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.lightrailnow.org/myths/m_myth&hellip;</a><br />
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    <author><![CDATA[gloomy gus]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[(But now that I google various grades I think that bit is probably steeper than 9%. See, there's a reason I'm a reader not a writer...so, Streetcarmageddon after all.)
        
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      <![CDATA[@5, I googled a bit and it turns out Portland specified its cars must be able to climb a steeper than usual grade, 9%, which I believe is steeper than that stretch of Aloha. So much for my joke!
        
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      <![CDATA[<br />
The difference in per mile costs for Streetcar and LINK are fantastic.<br />
<br />
Yet they do the same thing.<br />
<br />
And Sandy is teaching us about the dangers of tunnels!<br />
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      <![CDATA[@2, I see your point there, but not knowing much about trolleys I'm not even sure: is such a feat impossible for a trolley?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Will in Seattle]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I sense a Streetcar Pub Crawl coming.
        
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      <![CDATA[@2, but if you put a loop de loop at the end of it, the damned thing would pay for itself!
        
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    <author><![CDATA[gloomy gus]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[@1, I would pay good money to watch you try driving a streetcar down Aloha between 18th and 19th. That would be epic.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Jude Fawley]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I'm not a huge trolley fan, but since they are building it, it seems natural for it to go down 10th Avenue, right on Aloha all the way to 24th, then left and either end at the arboretum or the UW.<br />
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Or it could just go all the way down Harvard and over the University Bridge.
        
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