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      <![CDATA[@33 beat me to it.  The Barnes Dance is an excellent solution for intersections where ped traffic is heavy, but is best also coupled with no turns on red or NO TURNS AT ALL at only the right intersections.  We have one of these fine intersections here in DC, and it's great, because you don't have to wait through the whole cycle...you will get a walk to cross each street when the light is with you (no turns at this particular intersection, not that the prohibition stops everyone), PLUS the Barnes Dance.  We also had one in the college town where I went to school, at the intersection of 2 one-way streets (again, making it easier to control traffic).  I don't think they're a good idea for every intersection, but are very useful when carefully deployed.
        
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      <![CDATA[@42 "I don't know how you could engineer your way out of that mess."<br>
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Usually with pedestrian over-/under-passes.
        
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      <![CDATA[@2: The problem is that's an intersection of 5 highly used arterial streets. I don't know how you could engineer your way out of that mess. And believe me, it's not just the pedestrians who are waiting.
        
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      <![CDATA[First and Pike is one of the most dangerous places to cross, as a pedestrian.   Nobody ever seems to know what the hell to do.
        
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      <![CDATA[@39 sure there is. We call them Republicans.
        
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      <![CDATA[There is no option for "I am a walker and I find the folks who would cross diagonally regardless of the law to be retarded."
        
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      <![CDATA[@36, down here in Portland, there's an intersection by my house, 54th and Sandy. There's a crosswalk there with a pedestrian pushbutton. There's not a lot of pedestrian traffic there, and Sandy is a busy street. It would be ridiculous for traffic to stop every two minutes regardless of whether there's a pedestrian waiting to cross.
        
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      <![CDATA[@29, so true, especially downtown. Pedestrians need to obey the signals.<br />
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@36, that makes no sense. Why have cars sitting there waiting to turn if there are no pedestrians? That is not an efficient way to move traffic through a busy metro area.
        
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      <![CDATA[No more walk buttons.  All the walk signs should turn automatically, regardless of whether or not a button is pushed.  I argued with the head of the DOT for quite a while about this, and while he was genial enough, he failed to come up with a reasonable argument for why I should have to push a button.  It pisses me off to get to a corner in time to see the traffic light turn green but too late to get the goddamn walk sign.
        
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      <![CDATA[It won't impact the cycling community at all because they will blow through all-walk signals just like they do the one-direction signals we have now.
        
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      <![CDATA[what @24, @29 said. Try turning right from Pine to 4th, 1 car per cycle gets through because of the jaywalkers. Walk all ways would fix this.
        
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      <![CDATA[Also, for some reason I feel like the all-ped intersection signal is called a "Barnes Dance." And indeed it is, after the engineer who first employed the scramble.
        
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      <![CDATA[@25 that gibberish you wrote almost sort of makes sense. 'Circuit program'! COSTCO CHICKEN MEME!<br />
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For everyone else, so-called 'pedestrian scramble' phases are horribly inefficient, and are a traffic engineer's last resort for an unusual situation.
        
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      <![CDATA[the problem with all-way walk signals is that most people (peds and cars) don't know how to use them, because they don't expect it. i work at 1st and pike, and regularly see cars and peds (granted, many are tourists) absolutely mystified by the system and doing something dangerous and/or stupid such as running the light, walking into the flow of traffic, etc.<br>
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the wholesale elimination of  right turns on red makes a hella lot of sense though. i've seen it in other countries, and as a ped it actually does make things safer. eliminates the "can't see the pedestrian in the 4:30pm rainy darkness" problem for drivers as well.
        
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      <![CDATA[@Will in Seattle<br />
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A lot of ped-buttons are relics and are not actually connected to the controller box for the intersection.  Many intersections, especially on busy corridors where efforts have been made to synchronize multiple signals in a row, are purely programmed on timing and do not consider whether the ped-button has been activated.  For those intersections, the buttons are left because they do no harm, and people are less likely to get impatient and jaywalk if they feel like they have made their waiting known to the intersection.<br />
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-Someone who used to work for the signals department
        
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      <![CDATA[It would eliminate some of the gridlock downtown.  Echoing @24, the flashing orange hand is ignored by most, making it nearly impossible for drivers to turn right at either the red or the green.
        
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      <![CDATA[@14 for the Insightful Life Saving win of the day.
        
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      <![CDATA[There is already one of these All Way Walk signals on Beacon Hill, and I HATE it. You have to wait sooooo loooong before it turns to "walk" that I generally just try to avoid that intersection.
        
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      <![CDATA[Walking is the new Black.
        
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      <![CDATA[@13 actually, I timed those. Got them to change from a 5 minute force red on a cross light to a 3 minute after showing them video of 2/3 of the pedestrians just walking across a red with no walk signal.<br />
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Different intersections have different programming for wait times. Only one push in most walk circuits counts, but if it's in the red change it does not set the walk white, it is ignored.  The red light green light switch overrides the circuit program and resets the count.<br />
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But you'd know that if you ever thought about what you said.
        
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      <![CDATA[Part of the problem with free rights on reds, is that pedestrians don't obey the signals either. A pedestrian is not to step into the crosswalk once the Don't Walk signal begins to flash. This is the point at which pedestrians in the intersection should clear it, allowing cars trying to turn right on red a chance to complete the turn before the traffic signal changes and pedestrians move into the other crosswalk. <br />
How often do pedestrians approaching an intersection, seeing the light begin to flash, then dart into the crosswalk? How many actually pay attention?<br />
It's not one or the other (cars or pedestrians). We all want "them" to make way for "us."
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't let the government tell me when and where I can cross the fucking street.
        
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      <![CDATA[@19: "What's even more charming is when I'm waiting to turn right and some asshole behind me honks because I'm actually waiting until it's *legal* for me to go, i.e. when there are no pedestrians or other vehicles in or near the intersection."<br />
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That's when I activate my middle finger.
        
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    <pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:21:01 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[@17: Ideally pedestrians would be lit, just like cars and bicycles have to  be.  I carry a flashlight when I know I'll be crossing busy intersections at night.<br />
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The worst is when there's oncoming traffic, because the headlight glare makes it nearly impossible to see pedestrians walking in the road.
        
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      <![CDATA[Pedestrians also get hit by cars during the green phase when there is also a walk signal - the only solution in high pedestrian areas is to protect everyone so that there's never cars and pedestrians crossing an intersection at the same time.<br />
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Having nothing but one-way streets in the downtown core would be awesome too - or at least prohibit left turns off of two-way streets (unless there's a dedicated left-turn lane with left-turn signal). Make 1st Ave northbound only, keep 3rd Ave two-way but only for transit and freight, keep existing one-way NB and SB streets (2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th Avenues) as they are.
        
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