http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/11/08/he-dont-wanna-wear-a-condom Comments On: He Don't Wanna Wear a Condom by Dominic Holden en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Tue, 21 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Tue, 21 May 2013 11:15:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
What's more, the regulations governing any of these professions shouldn't be decided by a general public that no clue about the industry in question.

Posted by seandr]]> Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:58:47 -0800 The Stranger
The LA County Board of Health got fed up with the Adult Film Industry for refusing to share their health records, either being in denial or actually covering up STDs outbreaks or minimizing HIV cases. The safeguards were a joke. The condom rule helps protect the workers in the workplace..
Posted by ferret]]> Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:07:03 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Matt from Denver]]> Fri, 09 Nov 2012 06:15:59 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Pridge Wessea]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:27:01 -0800 The Stranger banning porn from not using condoms

I'm going to sleep now.
Posted by Urgutha Forka]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:04:20 -0800 The Stranger seandr on these comments.

Banning condoms from porn is a feel-good measure for people who have too much power and too much time on their hands.

It won't do shit to prevent teen pregnancies or stop disease. It'll force porn companies to either: 1) move, 2) lose business, 3) go OUT of business, or 4) become criminals.

It's a stupid fucking pointless pollyanna waste of time.


Posted by Urgutha Forka]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:02:12 -0800 The Stranger Not sure exactly. With a condom, it's not raunchy, not risky, not "real." It feels forced and staged. With no condom it's like the woman doesn't care about the consequences because she's SO into the fucking. Something like that?

Having sex with a condom and watching sex when the participants are using condoms is a turn off. Nobody wants to think about the consequences of sex.

I understand the necessity of condoms, and don't complain when I had to use them. But I'm not going to lie and say they're fun or a turn on. They suck. They're both a necessary and shitty thing.
Posted by Urgutha Forka]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:58:22 -0800 The Stranger Posted by alguna_rubia]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:28:09 -0800 The Stranger Posted by fallen angel]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:46:34 -0800 The Stranger better sources of sex education

Yes.
Posted by seandr]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:44:41 -0800 The Stranger Posted by fallen angel]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:42:05 -0800 The Stranger
You're comparing art, literature, smoking cigarettes and skipping school to the choreographed act of busting a nut on a person you've just met while delivering a pizza? I don't think you're talking a slippery slope there, I think it's apples & oranges (and for the record, I always enjoy the crap out of your comments and am not in disagreement with you. Just think that @11 was probably correct when he said a pretty compelling case could be made for both sides.)

But then for all the porn I watch, and I'm straight, I'm just generally not into looking at dick, regardless of whether or not it's protected. So maybe I lack, um, perspective.
Posted by mikethehammer]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:40:42 -0800 The Stranger
@19: Your framing suggested you were making assumptions about my beliefs. ("So, you think it's reasonable to outlaw art, literature, and other forms of expression if it is deemed to be a bad role model? ") It suggests that I've in already endorsed some form of censorship, when in fact I haven't.

But I will respond to what you've written, since I now think I have a better understanding of your meaning. My feeling is that pointing out that something may have harmful effects does not necessarily imply an argument for censorship. I can understand why you made that leap - it's one often made in arguments about media content - but it need not necessarily follow that media content should be censored if it leads (or can lead) to harmful effects. You're still reading what I wrote as endorsing some form of censorship - even if only of non-condomed sex in porn - but I'm not. I didn't, as you say, lay out an argument for censorship. There's no slippery slope to go down because I'm nowhere near the slope.

The outcome of the argument about imitation I *do* endorse is not censorship, but better sources of sex education - starting with comprehensive sex education in schools. Media effects are most powerful when the portrayals go unchallenged, and without ready sources of information to challenge the portrayals in porn, the likelihood that they will have harmful effects is maximized.


Posted by fallen angel]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:36:41 -0800 The Stranger Posted by seandr]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:23:18 -0800 The Stranger
Apparently, some folks on SLOG don't have any problem legally banning certain forms of consensual sexual expression in order to promote their sexual values. Ironic, to say the least.
Posted by seandr]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:22:12 -0800 The Stranger
I guess if there was some way to force everyone to use condoms, I wouldn't have a choice. But I expect that'll happen around the time spam is eliminated.

But then again, I don't pay anything for porn, so I don't count.
Posted by Urgutha Forka]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:01:43 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Lew Siffer]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:00:30 -0800 The Stranger Posted by also]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:47:45 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Matt from Denver]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:47:37 -0800 The Stranger Posted by fallen angel]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:36:19 -0800 The Stranger people often imitate what they see in the media

So, you think it's reasonable to outlaw art, literature, and other forms of expression if it is deemed to be a bad role model?

Does that include films featuring cigarette smokers, people taking drugs or drinking too much, or kids skipping school?

I don't recall Billy Bob Thornton putting a condom on before he banged Halle Berry in Monster's Ball. Should that scene should be illegal?
Posted by seandr]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:20:52 -0800 The Stranger
I was gonna say something similar to what @11 there did. Just point out that a lot of (highly impressionable) youths early introductions to sex involves same manner of porn watching. I'd think if more or most states adopted this as a requirement (thus limiting the likelihood of shifting the operation elsewhere) it'd probably be worth the time & effort.
Posted by mikethehammer]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:09:00 -0800 The Stranger
On the other hand...people often imitate what they see in the media. Does seeing porn actors regularly not use condoms mean that people who watch will necessarily not use condoms? Of course not. But it might increase those odds for some people: people with limited sexual experience, especially those cut off from good sources of sex ed - like, oh, people who have abstinence only education.
Posted by fallen angel]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:56:41 -0800 The Stranger If anything, they make it more realistic.

Since when is fantasy about being realistic? Unless you're some kind of condom fetishist, I doubt you fantasize about condoms any more than you fantasize about other realistic aspects of sex like queefs, stopping to use the bathroom, or picking up a whiff of BO.

I'm not sure I see the difference between this law and a law that requires everyone to wear condoms. That decision should be left up to the people doing the fucking.

Posted by seandr]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:46:23 -0800 The Stranger
And I don't get Dominic's point: if the law is only targeted at low end, semi-underground porn shoots... will they follow it? And if everyone's agreed that the law isn't necessary for "legit" porn... why not tailor the law to that reality?

I don't much care one way or the other -- if porn with condoms sells as well, nothing changes. If it sells less well, the studios move. And the "semi-underground" stuff will ignore the law anyway, just like they probably aren't big on workers' comp insurance and OSHA laws.
Posted by also]]> Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:03:31 -0800 The Stranger