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      <![CDATA[@42: I don't buy it. You're basically saying that since some people who claim to be spiritual are dicks everyone who claims to be spiritual must be criticized because of their not-so-much shared beliefs. <br />
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Look, I believe that everything and everyone should have to put up with being question and/or criticized, because that's the only way to find truth, any truth, be it personal, universal, scientific, spiritual, emotional or any other kind. <br />
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I also believe that your argument to criticize someone because a completely different someone is being a dick is stupid. <br />
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(for the record I am not atheist, not affiliated with any particular religion)
        
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      <![CDATA[I swear to God I will never do this again.<br />
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Doh!!!
        
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      <![CDATA[I've known (and known of) ministers and other very religious Christians who will "affirm" oaths rather than swear by God and/or the Bible, exactly because of this verse.<br />
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I affirm, mainly because I agree with Rex Stout's character Nero Wolfe: "If my personal word is no good, my sworn oath will be no better."<br />
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      <![CDATA[Oaths in our legal system are only peculiar if you buy the notion that it's based on Christianity. <br />
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Common law comes originally from Germanic traditions, the same ones that used ordeals to try guilt. Legal disputes were often settled not through evidence and fact finding, but by asking participants to take an oath swearing that their story was true. They'd produce a prescribed number of "oath-helpers", who weren't witnesses to events in dispute, but rather asserted the trustworthiness of the person taking the oath. <br />
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That's not to say that Christianity didn't influence further developments, but fundamentally, the Common Law has pagan roots.
        
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      <![CDATA[@46  Well, if you needed a Biblical verse to explain it to people, and I'm pretty sure you did back then, that would certainly be the best example.
        
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      <![CDATA[Well said, @29. I had no idea what a real oath was until I stood up in front everyone I cared about and said my wedding vows to my wife. I'm still kind of blown away by how profound and powerful that really was (seven years later.)<br />
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Everything to which I had supposedly pledged, sworn to, or promised before (the flag, the Scout oath, jury duty, and pretty much everything I'd ever mumbled in church) suddenly seemed really, really insignificant.
        
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      <![CDATA[@45: I thought I had seen an {English Civil War}-era Quaker's invocation of the '"yea" or 'nay'"' verse as a justification against his swearing---perhaps faulty memory on my part, or an idiosyncratic interpretation on his.
        
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      <![CDATA[@44 Just to clarify a bit, it comes down to Quakers believing there is but one standard of truth.  If you need to "swear" you're telling the truth, that implies that the rest of the time you're not.  So, if you devoutly believe that one must always speak truth, the idea of swearing that you're doing it is either superfluous, offensive, or both.
        
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      <![CDATA[The Quakers' taking this verse to heart (and having the ear of the Constitutional Convention) is why in the Constitution one need not swear an oath of office, but may rather 'affirm' it.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[I can make my hair blonde or plumb, does that count?
        
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      <![CDATA[41, Those bigots you mention claim that their bigotry is rooted in their religion, that their spiritual beliefs are the very reason why they are bigoted. They do this because we give a free pass to religious and spiritual belief in this country, exempting behavior we would otherwise be appalled by. Under what context is the idea of carving a young girl's genitals considered acceptable? Religion. In what respect is interfering in the right of two consenting adults to marry said to be justified? Spirituality. Under what circumstances may rape be called God's will? I think by now you get my point.<br />
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And it is this very justification, this attempt to impose your private beliefs upon the rest of us who do not share them, that makes you and your fellow believers subject to critique. Those who cannot tolerate dissent should not expect to be treated with kid gloves. Your religion, your spirituality, your belief system, all of these are just as worthy of examination as any other aspect of life. Particularly if you are to use them as justification for influencing the laws that govern all of us, including those of us who disagree with your interpretation of the world.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[@37: Spirituality has nothing to do with judging others, even though there are bigots who claim they are spiritual.
        
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      <![CDATA[@33: I'm a Jew. We only really do weird rituals on Sukkot. (Lulav and etrog, anyone?)
        
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      <![CDATA[10 bucks or so at any drugstore and I can make the hair on my head any color I damn well choose.
        
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      <![CDATA[Re: profanity. There's plenty of original-text profanity in the Bible. It simply was relentlessly translated out or misunderstood when rendered into the English language (to say nothing of the words that had to be borrowed wholesale for English to express the more "lofty" sentiments).
        
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      <![CDATA[36,  Spirituality is not exempt from criticism.<br />
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Spiritual people have lately been at the forefront of not only criticizing the fulfillment of others, but also have attempted to restrict that fulfillment through the force of law. In so doing, they have opened themselves up for critique, under the principle that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.<br />
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In fact, given that the major assault on individual fulfillment by the religious has been leveled at people whose fulfillment is programmed into their DNA, such as GLBT people, and since religion is a choice rather than an inherent characteristic, spiritual fulfillment is even more worthy or criticism than the people they have so viciously attacked. <br />
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Once having judged, one is subject to judgement. Arguments to the contrary will fall on the deaf ears of those you have harmed in the past.  Be grateful that we whom you have attacked previously have not resorted to the same abuse of our legal system as you have, and have not attempted to render you illegal as you have attempted to render us.
        
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      <![CDATA[@33: It's not weird, it's spiritual. And if other people derive fulfillment from it, why do you care?
        
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      <![CDATA[Why do you assume I'm not atheist? Plenty of weird ass shit to go around.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[Fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck. YAY, I'M 10!
        
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      <![CDATA[32, Weird-ass shit? You mean the bit about Lot offering his daughters up to be gang raped and then running off with them to fuck in a cave after his wife got salty isn't fucking weird?<br />
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Yes, Mormons are strange motherfuckers. But I don't want to hear christians who sit in pews and symbolically eat a dead guy's flesh and drink his blood (ritual cannibalism?) talk to me about other people's weirdness. I'll listen to that from an atheist, but not from somebody who hangs a gigantic representation of an Ancient Roman version of the electric chair on a wall only to tell me he follows a religion of life.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[rainbird]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[While I won't miss WMR one fucking bit, I'm going to miss Slog Mormon Study. There's some weird-ass shit in those books.
        
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    <pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:24:12 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[Goldy]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[@2 The Bible means whatever you think it means (or want it to mean). That's pretty much the point of these posts.
        
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    <pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:19:14 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[Fifty-Two-Eighty]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[GO BRONCOS!
        
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    <pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:07:17 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[Tacoma Traveler]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Oaths in general should never be compulsory. An oath means nothing unless made of one's own free will. Common oaths we require of other people (the Pledge of Allegiance, the Oath of Office) are completely devoid of meaning. They are made not as spontaneous declarations of loyalty, rather as rituals. They cannot be what they are intended to be, which is a declaration of loyalty and/or love. This is why national anthems and flags are also empty symbols. You cannot force another person to declare their love for something and think that that expression is somehow genuine. Real love is never forced.<br />
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An injunction against oath taking has its merits, in that societies create these paradoxes.
        
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      <![CDATA[Bollocks!
        
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    <pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:57:40 -0800</pubDate>
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