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      <![CDATA[I wonder how mister g can survive the shame of not knowing how to ride a bike. Lashing out at people with better motor control than he has can get him by for awhile, but eventually he'll have to break down and end it all with his sawed off shotgun.
        
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      <![CDATA[Actually, they don't all live in the same province.  Disliking Toronto is a national pastime, so much so that so that the late, great Pierre Berton once remarked that Canada was in desperate need of a true national identity, because it couldn't get by forever on a shared hatred of Toronto.  Everybody from Cape Spear to Cape Columbia to the westernmost part of Canada that doesn't have a cool name just ice and mountains has an opinion on Toronto, mostly negative, but it never stopped 'em taking the money.   It's why Toronto (other than its perpetual and near-pathological inferiority complex regarding other major world cities) is in a constant, almost frantic hunt for the Olympics: it's the only way we can get some of the money back for infrastructure.<br />
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Funny, though.  When it came to shutting up the town tighter than a mouse's asshole for the G20, complete with an army of cops and traffic barriers and consequent citizen rage the feds and province seemed to find their wallets.  Weird, that.
        
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      <![CDATA[#185, at least the busybodies you describe live in the same province. For some reason, we get every Clampett in every city no matter how many thousands of miles away telling us what they think about this or that Seattle neighborhood issue. Why would someone in Omaha or Des Moines (Iowa) or Tampa think that we should give a shit about their opinion on whether or not there's too much building in Ballard?<br />
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Not only that, but most of them seem to be bicycle babies. One can only hope they meet an appropriate end wherever they live. I there's a nationwide evil pickup truck fund, I'll happily make a donation.
        
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      <![CDATA[Actually, one of the funny things about the death match between Mr.G and non-Seattle folks about Seattle traffic is that it does rather parallel a problem with Toronto and the province in which it sits, Ontario: there's an awful lot of folks who want a say in how Toronto is governed but they don't pay taxes there.  It's not unlike one of those old established neighbourhoods where everybody thinks that they have a veto over their neighbours' property.  With the difference, though, that in our Toronto instance it's everybody on the street asserting that they get to judge how the biggest property owner manages his home and garden ... after he has paid for the road and sewer connections for everybody else on the street.<br />
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There.  Now THAT killed the thread!
        
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      <![CDATA[#183, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. And, just so you know, we're not real interested in your opinions about Seattle's development issues either.
        
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      <![CDATA[@182 Congratulations, you've killed the thread. I'll let myself out.
        
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      <![CDATA[#181, 3% of Seattle residents commute by bicycle. 84% of Seattle residents live in a car-owning household, and the latter number hasn't changed in 10 years. I have plenty of time left. You don't even live here, so your stupidity is amusing but it doesn't count here.
        
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      <![CDATA[@177, I was talking (about my commute in the suburbs of a major city) to the vehicular cyclists further upthread, not to you. Everybody knows plenty about what overentitled drivers think of cyclists. But since you address me so charmingly, let me offer you my condolences for the fact that your time has passed.
        
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      <![CDATA[#179, if the bicyclists would pay vehicle taxes like owners of cars and motorcycles, I'd be on your side. Until then, you're nothing but guests who've overstayed your welcome.
        
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      <![CDATA[@165, I hardly fit the stereotype of the Seattle cyclist - don't own any spandex, and do in fact use ample lighting and wear bright clothing, but thank you for your concern? I've had drivers roll down their windows and scream at me to ride on the sidewalk (direct quote: "why the fuck don't you ride on the sidewalk!!!!???!!") but have never had a negative encounter with a pedestrian while riding on the sidewalk (maybe because I try not to be an asshole? Then again, I almost always bike in the street unless traffic patterns/road conditions make it very much unsafe).
        
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      <![CDATA[@177 If you are talking to a wall in the middle of a group conversation, that does not mean that the conversation is actually about whatever nonsense you are blathering on about.
        
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      <![CDATA[#176, the discussion is about bike babies in Seattle, not your ride in East Nowhere, Iowa.
        
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      <![CDATA[Fnarf et al, don't be ridiculous. I'm not in Seattle, but on some of the major roads where I ride, the sidewalk is the only place that's remotely safe or even accessible for bikes. That doesn't mean I'm going to mow down a pedestrian. Practically nobody ever even walks on these sidewalks, but when I come across walkers I stop to let them go by, or if I'm going slow enough and there's plenty of room I'll say "hi/excuse me" and maneuver around them just as I would if I were walking a little faster. I'm practically never going fast enough to dart out in front of an unsuspecting driver at an intersection, and if I am, well, I stop and look both ways. <br />
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The idea of vehicular cycling is sweet, but just because I love cycling doesn't mean I'm not about to put my body and bike on the line to educate all the homicidal drivers out there.
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh look, another word you don't understand the meaning of. Go figure.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow, so now the bike babies go from not wanting to pay any vehicle taxes to wanting the legal right to block traffic.
        
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      <![CDATA[Let's be nice people, it's not the law but it might make things, err, nicer.<br />
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Bicyclists in Seattle may legally ride on sidewalks, but also have a duty to yield to pedestrians and give an audible signal before overtaking and passing.  <a href="http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scripts/nph-brs.exe?d=CODE&amp;s1=11.44.120.snum.&amp;Sect5=CODE1&amp;Sect6=HITOFF&amp;l=20&amp;p=1&amp;u=/~public/code1.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G" rel="nofollow">http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scripts/n&hellip;</a><br />
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Many, if not most, pedestrians have earbuds that prevent them from hearing bicyclists legally approaching.  So my fellow bicyclist should SLOWLY pass pedestrians on the sidewalk.  Another lawyer recently walked into my bike as I slowly approached and then stopped on the sidewalk because I could see he wasn't paying attention.  He gave me the stink-eye, but I did yield to him.  It's the law.<br />
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What is not the law but should be is that drivers should have a duty to yield to bicyclists on the street.  More here:  <a href="http://washingtonbikelaw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Strict-Liability-for-Seattle.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://washingtonbikelaw.com/blog/wp-con&hellip;</a><br />
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Bicyclists on the street are yelled at to get off the street.  Does this mean ride on the sidewalk?  But bicyclists on the sidewalk are yelled at to get off the sidewalk.  So now we're back in the street.  <br />
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On the sidewalk, bikes must yield to pedestrians.  In the street, cars should yield to bikes.  Right not that's not the law.  But it would be nice.
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh, have you just been telling people to be careful this whole time? I must have missed it between all the obvious threats and assumptions that they obviously were not being careful because they are Seattle bike riders.
        
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      <![CDATA["Rape as a metaphor for telling a spandex bike rider to be careful if he doesn't want to be run over." You really do have to love "progressive" Seattle. So very smart!
        
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      <![CDATA[@169-  I think that maybe the rape thing is a metaphor for how Mister G likes to threaten to kill people.
        
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      <![CDATA[@166 @167 @168:<br />
You called him a multiple rapist and he's the name-caller? How'd that happen?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Christampa]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Yes, I am not surprised that you have only mindless name calling to resort to when you are demonstrably wrong about every single thing you say.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ah, #166, the stalker bitch. Howdy!
        
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      <![CDATA[Here's Mister G, folks. He doesn't need evidence before accusing someone that they are dressing wrong. And when he hits cyclists who are dressed a certain way with his truck, well it's their fault for dressing that way. Just like those girls he raped.
        
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      <![CDATA[#164, maybe if you had ridden with lights, and worn bright clothing, people would've seen your sorry cyclist ass. Basic black spandex without lights (the uniform of the self-entitled Seattle bicyclist) is hazardous to your health, if you even care. Pass it on.
        
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      <![CDATA[Used to live off of Rainier Ave, which for much of its length has no bike lanes or even shoulders - During heavy traffic or at night, riding in the street is quite terrifying (and depending on your starting point and destination, side streets may not be an option for the whole trip). There are very few cyclists on the street but plenty of pedestrian traffic due to the many bus stops. Bicycling on the sidewalk (with complete deference to pedestrians and extra caution at intersections and driveways) makes a lot of sense - drivers tend to scan the sidewalks at intersections/driveways due to the frequent pedestrian traffic and allow a cyclist to pass. Riding on the street tends to produce a lot of road rage, rearview mirrors clipping your clothing with too-close passes, and dangerous confusion from drivers who see few cyclists on the street and are not used to accomodating them. I bike on the streets in downtown, capitol hill, anywhere else where cyclists are common and drivers are willing to give me some space - but sometimes riding on the sidewalk (again, with complete deference to pedestrians and extra caution at intersections and driveways) seems like the safest option for everyone.
        
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