http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/12/03/fox-sports-speaks-the-truth-on-handguns Comments On: Fox Sports Speaks the Truth on Handguns by Goldy en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Thu, 23 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Thu, 23 May 2013 19:30:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by i'm pro-science and i vote]]> Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:13:01 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Christampa]]> Wed, 05 Dec 2012 21:36:57 -0800 The Stranger Funny because France, Japan, Sweden all have higher suicide rates than the US with Canada following closely behind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou…

As for kids dying by gun in big cities sounds like a gang problem rather than a gun problem. I went to high school where they still had trucks with rifle racks, no one ever got shot, though more than a few died in auto accidents, and one had a tree fall on him.

Also Paris and other big European cities are hardly "safe" when you step outside the tourist track. Funny that you mention The Bronx, NYC has some of the strictest gun control int he nation, which tends to make sure that only the criminals are armed.

I have a feeling you have never been there as you describe the sewer system as "working" Paris and other big European cities with old systems smell like septic tanks in the summer months.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon]]> Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:18:35 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Mister G]]> Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:51:36 -0800 The Stranger
these nations are france, germany, sweden, england, japa, canada, etc. etc. etc.

it's just like trains: they work. national health insurance or regulations close enough to it: this works. sewers: they work. providing mass education to boost your economy: it works.

gun controls: they work. because having EZ access to guns isn't making us safer. You don't find tourists from paris coming here walking all over the south bronx at night saying omg it's soooo safe here, we can walk around! but you will find tourists from the south bronx who go to paris and say omg it's so safe here, they don't have all these guns all over!

thus, the reason we have all these deaths (the effective cause, not the moral one) is all the gun totin' gun lovin' gun ownin' GUN NUTS who block gun control. They're the people who are blocking the legislative and policy changes, and the cultural changes, that would be needd to lower our rates of death by gunfire.
Posted by blame gun owners]]> Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:51:31 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Dan @ CC.C]]> Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:16:54 -0800 The Stranger wouldn't recommend it.
Posted by Mister G]]> Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:48:13 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Mister G]]> Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:47:14 -0800 The Stranger
WA State law is quite firmly on the side of a homeowner in the event of invasion. I haven't had to use a gun to protect myself, thank God, but if I ever do, the first round will be rock salt and the second round will be buckshot. I'll take my chances in court.
Posted by Mister G]]> Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:45:24 -0800 The Stranger I stand corrected. Unfortunately SBS's and SBR's are illegal in WA State despite having the federal tax stamp. Though you can go the route of the Serbu Super Shorty due to it's classification as an AOW. Though a 4lb pistol grip 12ga makes me want to say "Ouch."

Though I am going to disagree on the rock salt thing, sounds like a great way to be sued, a firearm is deadly force regardless of loading. I use to think the same thing and used #6 shot for the first round in the tube. These days the shotgun never leaves the safe and the AR does HD duty due to greater maneuverability, ease of operation under stress, ammunition capacity and it 55gn loads have less barrier penetration than 00 buck or 9mm making it less likely to send a stray round into a neighbors house.

Posted by Cascadian Bacon]]> Tue, 04 Dec 2012 19:21:45 -0800 The Stranger
For more info.:

http://archives.gunsandammo.com/content/…
Posted by Mister G]]> Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:00:41 -0800 The Stranger Check my avatar, though I recently upgraded the rifle to BCM midlenght gas system with a light weight barrel profile. Handles SOOO much better than the M4, and easier to carry in the woods.

The irony about this case is maybe the girl would have been able protect herself from the rampaging steroid infused professional gladiator who murdered her.

@73
Being afraid of guns is a reasonable fear, they are fucking dangerous and need to be treated with utmost respect and safety considerations. Just like any power tool

@70
IIRC 18.25 inches in the legal minimum, 18 is federal prison time.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon]]> Tue, 04 Dec 2012 15:42:06 -0800 The Stranger
@72 - Guns absolutely do make a difference in DV cases - the presence of guns in the household increases the likelihood of being murdered by your partner by more than 5x. http://www.futureswithoutviolence.org/us…
Posted by Soupytwist]]> Tue, 04 Dec 2012 13:48:01 -0800 The Stranger Posted by kersy]]> Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:30:17 -0800 The Stranger
My fear would not be ameliorated by more people having them. Nor would I be less fearful if I had them.

I'm also afraid of bears. I try not to go where the bears are (and I do the same thing with guns.)
Posted by pg13]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:51:11 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Mister G]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:48:36 -0800 The Stranger "Gun nuts love killings like this."

If you're going to try to troll then you have to do a bit better than that.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:31:40 -0800 The Stranger In order to defend yourself with deadly force such as a shotgun blast (even with a rock salt load), you need to have a credible risk to your well-being. If you use a half-measure such as rock salt, your actions show that deadly force was not necessary, but you used it anyway. Similarly, firing warning shots is also a bad idea in a self-defense situation.
Posted by doceb]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:24:06 -0800 The Stranger
Of course, "gun nut" is a highly subjective term, I think. Reasonable people who enjoy hunting or target shooting are often lumped together with the "Obama is going to TAKE OUR GUNS," doomsday prepper crowd.
Posted by doceb]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:16:10 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Mister G]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:10:12 -0800 The Stranger
Unfortunately, that paranoia can turn a fairly ordinary person into some one who ends up shooting some teenagers in a 7-11 parking lot because their music is too loud.
Posted by cracked]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 11:47:04 -0800 The Stranger Posted by cracked]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 11:37:11 -0800 The Stranger "We can all puff up our chests and harrumph harrumph, Goldy will get page hits and his ego boosted, and at the end of the day nothing will change."

Exactly.
And Goldy still does not know the definition of "suicide".
I'm still waiting for someone to post what SPECIFIC legal changes would have to be made to prevent this SPECIFIC instance from happening.

Instead, all we get is Goldy replying to some comment that some guy made in the past.
That is all we ever get.
That behavior is also the reason why the gun control people keep losing these debates.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:59:06 -0800 The Stranger Posted by hmmmmmmm]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:17:59 -0800 The Stranger
Absolutely incorrect. Firearms covered under the National Firearms Act (automatic weapons, short-barreled weapons, and silencers/silenced weapons, among others) still require a federal tax stamp, which requires paperwork with a six to eight month wait.
Posted by doceb]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:15:14 -0800 The Stranger