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Of the zero sources you cited, I find all of them credible.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ah yes, so it was. But you see my point. <br />
        
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      <![CDATA[@52 - That was Martin Sheen.  :)
        
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      <![CDATA[He says God showed himself in the teachers who put themselves in between the kids and the gunman. I don't know what to call that kind of behaviour when it comes from a supposedly all powerful, all seeing entity. "Cowardice" seems way too mild a word. Reminds me of the scene in Dead Zone where Michael Douglas holds up an infant to shield himself from a bullet.
        
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      <![CDATA[@42 Thank you...
        
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      <![CDATA[@42. Love your post! Thank you.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm talking about huckabee of course.<br />
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@42, two thumbs up from me. I've used that same argument about you know who else watches/reads/plays the same "violent" video games/movies/books/etc except I referred to Scandinavians not Canadians.
        
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      <![CDATA[He's so full of noise that I don't listen to him.
        
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      <![CDATA[@10: Yes, because once Canada, the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Australia passed civil rights into law, the bloodshed began!<br />
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Oh wait, I forgot. America is the only place that any of that ever happened.
        
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      <![CDATA[It could be hate-mongering; it could be a right-wing dog whistle; but the simplest explanation is that Huckabee and his ilk are possessed of the Just World Fallacy (google it). In their world, good is rewarded, and evil is punished, and if something really bad happens, then the victims must have done something really bad to deserve it.<br />
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The alternative is that these things are arbitrary, and it could have been them, and tomorrow it could be them. They don't have the cojones to live knowing that we all walk on the edge of the abyss, all the time.<br />
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Rather than getting angry, we should call them out for the moral cowards that they are.
        
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      <![CDATA["The Republicans and their NRA ilk are directly responsible for blocking policies that would have given those Sandy Hook children a fighting chance to escape." Yes! This. This is what all the people running around saying What difference would an assault weapons ban have made He would have shot up the place anyway refuse to acknowledge. Odds are, he would have shot up the place anyway, but he would have been less of a walking Angel of Death. Only 2 of the people whom he shot survived. Because he was such a good shot? No - because he mowed them down, up to 11 bullets in some bodies. Imagine 11 bullets in the body of a six year old child. With lower-capacity weapons, some of those children, and their teachers, would have had a fighting chance. And to tell me that chance at life doesn't stack up against your right to own a blah blah blah insane weapon of your choice? That's just obscene.
        
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      <![CDATA[Again, where's the fucking thumbs up for #42... another fantastic comment.
        
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      <![CDATA[<a href="http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-nation-reports,30743/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-ev&hellip;</a><br />
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and this, for any US citizens who want to add their names:<br />
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<a href="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legally-recognize-westboro-baptist-church-hate-group/DYf3pH2d?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl" rel="nofollow">https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio&hellip;</a><br />
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or this one, about tax exempt status:<br />
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<a href="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-irs-tax-exempt-status-westboro-baptist-church/YrKbHYtV" rel="nofollow">https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[@10 -  You are full of shit.<br />
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You know who goes to church way fucking less than Americans?  Canadians.  You know who pops contraceptives at higher rates?  Canucks.  You know who has more affirmed athiests?  Yep, the 51st State of Hockey.  You know who also consumes the same fucking violent video games, movies and entertainment, but DOESN'T routinely shoot up the building?  Canadians.  <br />
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Another thing.  It is SUPREMELY FUCKING INSULTING to suggest that someone's child died because someone didn't pray enough.  <br />
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One more thing Ken.  I used to be with you, a moderate Republican/Conservative Democrat.  No more.  I am fucking done.  That was a massive stupid fucking "look how cool I am to be on the fence" moment of my youth, i.e. last month.  The Republicans and their NRA ilk are directly responsible for blocking policies that would have given those Sandy Hook children a fighting chance to escape.  They have pediatric blood on their hands.  Nothing else matter.  Not tax policy, not off shore drilling, not Social Security.  <br />
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Watching Obama speak at Newton made me thank fucking god he won.<br />
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I hereby serve notice to all politicians who oppose sensible gun control: you have an enemy in me, and I will do everything in my financial and political power to crush you.<br />
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Fuck I am pissed.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[@32,<br />
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The guy who examined that data originally did so to "prove" that abortion rates among <b>black people</b> was responsible for the decreased crime rate.  He cleaned that theory up for widespread publication in <i>Freakanomics</i>.  Also, real researchers who aren't pushing pseudo-research to make a buck dispute his findings.<br />
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One far more probable reason for the decreasing crime rate:  Baby Boomers getting too old or imprisoned or dead to continue committing crimes.  The worst period of crime and violence in recent U.S. history also happened to be the same period when Boomers were teens and young adults.
        
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      <![CDATA[One nice thing about this asshole's comments and his complete abandonment of "compassionate" Christianity is that it's obvious that Fuckabee has given up any pretense of becoming President.  He knows where the money is, and it's in spewing this shit, not in unsuccessfully running for president.
        
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      <![CDATA[@16,<br />
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No.  The shooter was raised by both parents until he was 16 years old, i.e. nearly an adult.
        
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      <![CDATA[@4,<br />
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But Clemmons said he loved Jesus.  Who would think twice about releasing him?
        
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      <![CDATA[Can you believe this Doofus Mulroney? He makes the rounds on TV shows such as <i>The Daily Show</i> and sounds reasonable (if wrong). Then, he makes these wack statements on his own TV show that one would think would disqualify him FOREVER from a presidential candidacy (but it doesn't). It's like me being on <i>Today</i> to give an well-balanced argument about the Palestinian issue, then going home and eating a plate of my own shit and posting it on You Tube.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@32, 34: It's written up nicely in "Freakonomics".
        
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      <![CDATA[@1 I'm not sure "stop giving him attention" is the best route.  I think "mock the fuck out of him and turn him into an enormous joke" is far, far more effective.
        
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      <![CDATA[@ 32 - I remember reading about that - they found that crime stats, especially of stuff like vandalism, car theft, B&Es, started to decline about sixteen years after Roe v Wade.  The theory is that a lot of unwanted kids who would have gone on to lives of crime just hadn't been born.    Don't know how we would go about actually proving that, though - correlation does not imply causation even when it's our side doing the arguing.
        
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      <![CDATA[@29 - The opposite conclusion actually follows: violence that affects small numbers of people is falling steadily, while we are seeing a rise in things like mass shootings.  Therefore the types of guns that get used in mass shootings, which are growing in abundance, are prime targets.  <br />
The evidence suggests that you can keep your hunting rifle, but we'd all be better off if you forked over the AR-15.<br />
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I get the impression that some people would get more upset over the loss of their semi automatic weapons than they would over the deaths of, say,  20 children and 7 adults.  Newsflash - you aren't going to defend the country against Tyranny.  Assault rifles get used for two things - having fun by blowing the holy be-gezus out of a target and killing dozens of innocent people at a time.  It's like an X-box that can also kill people.
        
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      <![CDATA[@22 2 points:<br />
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1) If you don't know the answer to a question, you can't just make up one that fits your ideology.  <br />
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2) Overall crime rates are actually going down.  Why do school shootings in particular seem to be on the rise - no one knows.  That includes you. <br />
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Fun fact - someone did an actual study using actual data and found that increased access to birth control and abortion was strongly correlated with decreases in violence by the generation of children effected.  Using your logic, you must also believe that allowing parents to plan families by not having kids they don't want leads to a safer, more wholesome society.  Do you believe that?  I'm going to guess no, because that particular correlation gives you the sads.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[What came to my mind when I heard about this, yesterday, was the Children's Crusade.  God permeated every facet of life at that time in Europe, but somehow this did not save those children - children who were, in fact, aiming to do God's work.  <br />
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This kind of argument is rejected even by theologians - those who make the study of God their life's work.  Simply put, that's not the way this shit works.
        
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