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      <title>Comments On: Brown Star Comment of the Day
    
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      <![CDATA[I don't deliberately keep a mental profile of every SLOG commenter whose handle I (eventually) recognize, but I'm puzzled as to why Dominic called out Cato the Younger Younger. Enlighten me. Did this comment -- <i>Nothing about Obama offering up cuts to Social Security in the name of balancing the budget? </i>-- hit a little too close to home?
        
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      <![CDATA[@75 i admit i kinda miss her/it..
        
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      <![CDATA[@75 i admit , i kinda miss her/it..
        
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      <![CDATA[@73-  The crowd can do it's thing.  I dislike the staff acting like this is middle school and they are running a clique.
        
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      <![CDATA[69: Well he could have worked at Liberty "University" or at any other of those right-wing think-tanks disguised as universities.  It's not like they require accuracy or real credentials.  They're just collections of sociopaths talking about their feelings.
        
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      <![CDATA[In that case, why is it that when crimes happen, I hear with disturbing frequency, "Oh, s/he was such a nice Christian who went to Church!" ?
        
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      <![CDATA[And PJ Harvey caused Tracy Bonham.  And Tori Amos caused Vanessa Carlton. And Lauryn Hill caused Kreyshawn. And Nina Simone caused hipsters in skinny jeans who claim to love music by old black people while smoking French cigarettes. There's always a price, so true, so true...
        
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      <![CDATA[Does anybody miss Loveschild? That was the troll du jour back when I first started slogging around, and I guess you never forget your first.
        
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      <![CDATA[@73 - That seems a little petty and disingenuous when you haven't even taken time to address those who've actually taken some pains to both defend your integrity and challenge your thesis.
        
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      <![CDATA[@66 I'm OK with being mocked. I kind of expect it from this crowd.
        
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      <![CDATA[@71 - Hear hear! Well said.
        
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      <![CDATA[@66 - Thank you.  I've been trying to think of how to put that sentiment succinctly.  Ken's thinking is occasionally-to-frequently facile, but I think there's an honest question in there, and a posit that deserves some consideration.  <br />
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That said, @63, I think that suggesting Civil Rights or the questioning of traditional and/or religious values "made for a less orderly and less safe society" is a fairly shallow reading (which may be why I ask artists, rather than historians, mathematicians, and other bean-counters the important questions).  The nearest equivalent I can think of is those who blame the misbehavior on modern youth on the fact that the belt and the switch have gone out of fashion.  Yes, failing to adequately beat the rebellion out of your children might contribute to behavior problems <i>if you replace corporal punishment with nothing at all</i>; that doesn't mean either that corporal punishment is preferable to its absence OR that the absence of corporal punishment is why we have gang activity and school shootings.  <br />
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Likewise, I think reasonable people can suggest that some or all of our social ills can be attributed to spiritual dysfunction or difficulty in establishing or agreeing upon principles of social cohesion without suggesting that belief in a particular (empirically unverifiable) myth regarding an anthropomorphic deity or adherence to a narrow set of standards regarding the makeup of the family is necessary (or even desirable) to address those ills.  In that sense, I can take your point in part while still rejecting it in bulk, and insist that nothing short of a rebuke of Huckabee's thesis in its entirety is in order.
        
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      <![CDATA[I would like to make one last comment:  Creating communities of inclusion relies in large part on <b>people giving gifts</b> to one another.  Anthropologists know that <b>gifting is the social glue of culture</b>.  Want a better society?  Gift more gifts.
        
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      <![CDATA[63, Your claim of being a history teacher is highly suspect given how often you post innaccurate, apocryphal, and revisionist accounts of history.  Although you put on an act of being a reasonable, thinking man, you're one of the most intellectually dishonest people on slog.  Once again, you present your skewed personal perceptions as fact with absolutely nothing based in reality to back it up.
        
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      <![CDATA[@63 - One other thing:  How does "increased violent crime in the 60s" have <u>anything</u> to do with mentally unstable 20y'olds in <i>2012</i> shooting anyone?
        
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      <![CDATA[@63 - KM: I would <i>strongly</i> encourage you to read "Debt: The First 5,000 Years" ... there is some very, very interesting anthropological detail regarding how money and debt works in society, and in particular how the post-WWII period - in the face of strong labor unions - a "deal"  was struck whereby if labor increased productivity, they would get a cut of the profits.  This allowed Detroit car workers to own their own home and raise a family.<br />
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Unfortunately, everyone wants in on this deal, and capitalism can't provide it.  One can see the civil rights movements of the 60s quite directly as various marginalized groups standing up and saying "hey, that's a good deal, we want it too" ... and really, why shouldn't <i>anyone</i> be able to support their family on an honest days wages?.<br />
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But, since capitalism is really based on exploitation and <i>not</i> freely offered labor, it can't support that deal for everyone, and society had to turn around --notably in the 80s - Reagan and Thatcher-- and ensure that everyone knew the deal was off.  <br />
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And now today we have these nice charts showing that productivity has continued to increase at quite a remarkable rate... yet wages are stagnant and dropping.  <br />
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Maybe that is part of why the 60s saw crime rates go up?  Maybe its also because the mentally damaged soldiers coming back from the European theatre were emotionally abusive to their children, who then grew up pissed off?  Perhaps there are reasons of which neither you nor I are aware.
        
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      <![CDATA[I strongly dislike The Stranger's decision to lead a campaign of mockery against someone who, misguided as they may be, at least engages in honest debate most of the time.
        
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      <![CDATA[@64 Maybe that's why I quit that job.
        
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      <![CDATA[@63 You're a shitty history teacher.
        
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      <![CDATA[@62 I've taught college level American History classes. This discussion reminds me of something then Attorney General Ramsey Clark said in the wake of the 1967 riots in Newark, New Jersey. He said that every civilization since the beginning of time has depended on poor people being willing to accept that it is their lot in life to be poor, and that poor Americans couldn't seem to do that. Can you see how the civil rights movement might have made poor people in general and poor minorities in particular less inclined to accept their place in the social hierarchy? I'm not arguing that the civil rights movement or the women's rights movement or the gay rights movement were bad, mind you. However, I think they made for a less orderly and less safe society.
        
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      <![CDATA[61, Your feelings don't equate to facts and statistics.  The increase in crime at that time has much more to do with the increase of illegal drug use, not an increase in civil rights.  Hate crimes against minorities carried out in a campaign <i>against</i> civil rights increased, but the civil rights in and of themselves had nothing to do with it.  Have you not had any American History in your schooling?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Ken Mehlman]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[@42 Crime in America is down in the last 20 years, thanks to an aging population and an incredibly punitive (and incredibly expensive) criminal justice system. In the 1950s crime was so low that we were closing prisons due to a lack of convicts to keep in them. So why was that? You might point to the economic prosperity of the '50s as the reason why, at that time, we had safe streets w/ out a record setting prison population. However, the late 1960s was also a period of economic prosperity and LBJ'S Great Society programs were providing unprecedented levels of assistance to the poor. If you will refer to the chart @24 linked to you will see that the mid to late 1960s was the time when violent crime in general and murder in particular went up the most. Why do you think that happened?
        
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          Posted by <a href="http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Profile?oid=4838080">Ken Mehlman</a>]]>
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    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:25:47 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[Theodore Gorath]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!
        
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    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 04:58:25 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[floater]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Why are we all taking a whack at Mehlman?  It's like Slog turned into Lord of the Flies.
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:59:35 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[bigyaz]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Not sure how I got lumped in with MisterG and Cato. First of all, I haven't even commented on Newtown. And second, just because I think you write stupid shit, Dom, doesn't automatically make me some right-winger. I'm anything but.<br />
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In fact, I think the gun nuts should have to tell the parents of those 20 kids -- face to face -- that the right to fire off a hundred bullets without reloading trumps the parents' right to see their kids live beyond first grade.<br />
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:10:16 -0800</pubDate>
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