Comments On: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws by Goldy http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/12/20/new-poll-americans-overwhelmingly-support-stricter-gun-laws Comments On: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws by Goldy en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Wed, 22 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Wed, 22 May 2013 18:00:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
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Posted by angellikee]]> Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:25:33 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
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Posted by angellike]]> Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:24:22 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Posted by Don Al]]> Sun, 06 Jan 2013 07:16:02 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
also, if your gun is in the safe, how is you gonna stop the thief with a gun, don't you need it cocked and loaded under your pillow?

think of any country with outright ban...well there are few, but let's take japan and england....1. crime is far less. 2. massacres are far less. 3. they're not exactly not free either, so your whole position is flawed isn't it? oh wait, hyou fear the gummint, I guess you also want a tank, bazooka, tactical nukes and mustard gas in your home, too, to stop the tyrannical government if it decides to you know, collect taxes from you force you to use the city sewer system or get a permit or you know, ask you to license your guns.

btw in the red dawn scenario, won't the commies just go get the nra database and use that to find out who to take guns away from? you think it's not vulnerable to hacking ? silly.

btw lanza used guns criminally, do you want harsher laws against him, maybe put his dead boy in a cage or string it up outside town walls to you know, shame him more?
Posted by gun owners: our problem]]> Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:21:30 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Posted by freedomfighter]]> Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:18:16 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
Three days ago you were in full Fnarf Internet-Know-it-all mode proclaiming there was no point, that the guns nuts had won - all was lost, and there would never be any gun control legislation passed. This is what you said.

Anybody who disagreed with you was a murderer, you siad. Even those who didn't own guns.

RAAAAGE was our only righteous weapon, you screamed.

A statement so tone-deaf in the wake of slaughter as to astound a thinking person.

Because that same sentiment appears in every lunatic murder manifesto, and no doubt some justification like it will be uncovered from the computers of this latest lunatic.

I guess rage... and a coordinated political effort of public pressure, compromise and reason are our only weapons. And this lamp. This lamp... rage, and a coordinated political effort of public pressure, compromise and reason are our only weapons. Oh. And this ashtray! This ashtray, this lamp, rage, and...
Posted by tkc]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:42:39 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:05:32 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Posted by Fnarf]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:02:28 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:55:13 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
Yes, it's true, if I was King of the World, I'd take all your guns and melt them down, and if you so much as thought about acquiring a new one I'd have you ground up into pellets for the stove to heat the Capitol with, just like people who don't use their turn signals. But I am not King of the World.

I recognize that you bastards have won. You've got your amendment, and you've got your DC v. Heller. You've got everything you've ever dreamed of. It's settled law. You've got the right to keep and bear arms. Bully for you, big tough man.

But it's not enough for you. You want more, and you use this technique of pretending that stasis is progress, that the moderate, reasonable position is "gun laws already cover that, we've already given up the middle ground". Which allows the gun lobby room to stretch for more if they can get it, and if they can't, well, you've got almost everything already.

This is why your "moderate" position is a complete lie. You are not moderate at all. You are an extremist.

Look who your fucking friends are. You're with Pam Roach. The gun lobby in the State of Washington is packed with the most despicable pieces of shit in the entire state, people who wave guns around on the floor of the Senate, people who think carrying concealed weapons into movie theaters and schools and churches and the legislature is a damn good idea. Ought to be mandatory.

Don't tell me you don't believe those things, because your actions say otherwise. You shoot down every conceivable proposal before the words are out of people's mouths, and you throw out nonsense fakery that smells of bullshit no matter how often you insist it's the delightful aroma of frying bacon. Not a word of what you have to say on the subject is remotely capable of being codified into a workable law, and you know it. It is by design.

Fortunately a large majority of Americans -- a large majority of GUN OWNERS -- is as sick of your bullshit as I am. And maybe something will get done this time.
Posted by Fnarf]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:26:56 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Posted by Patricia Kayden]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 04:35:16 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Only Nazi's and Communists love gun control laws.
Because criminals just don't follow laws.
Gun control laws disarm good citizens & they become crime victims.
2nd Amendment - is Our right to defend ourselves against the door being broken down in the night.
Laws only impact the lawful...
Don't wait 45 minutes for the police to show up
AFTER you've been violated by a drugged up AIDS positive rapist & purse grabber.
A shotgun saved my family member - didn't even have to shoot the criminal - the attacker surrendered at gun point.
One 911 call & the police picked up the perp.
Defend Yourself NOW.
Get concealed carry & training.
Don't Be a Victim.
Don't be a sheep waiting for the wolves...
Protect yourself, & defend your family.

Posted by CeaJay]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:17:50 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Only Nazi's and Communists love gun control laws.
Because criminals just don't follow laws.
Gun control laws disarm good citizens & they become crime victims.
2nd Amendment - is Our right to defend ourselves against the door being broken down in the night.
Laws only impact the lawful...
Don't wait 45 minutes for the police to show up
AFTER you've been violated by a drugged up AIDS positive rapist & purse grabber.
Defend Yourself NOW. Get concealed carry & training.
Don't Be a Victim.
Don't be a sheep waiting for the wolves...
Protect yourself, & defend your family.

Posted by CeaJay]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:09:52 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
I believe that it is because some of them ARE out to ban guns.
Even though they claim otherwise.
The fact is that there is no gun control legislation that would have prevented the shooting at Sandy Hook short of a 100% ban on all guns.

If they were honest then they would acknowledge this and either:
1. Not try to use the death of children to pass some half-measure anti-gun-owner law that will do nothing to prevent this in the future.

2. Publicly commit to a 100% ban. Including the confiscation of current guns. Including hunting rifles, shotguns, "assault weapons" and all handguns. It will take a lot of work and money and time to remove the 2nd Amendment. But at least be honest about your goal.

If you understand #1 then you can look at options to mitigate this in the future. And the suggestions range from improving mental health care to requiring armed male teachers.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:02:27 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
I never said that restricting the mentally ill and felons from firearms was unreasonable, in fact it is the current law and I agree with those provisions. I also agree with licensing gun dealers, which is also current law.

I am a lawful firearms owner, my last NICS background check was successfully completed Saturday. I have successfully passed an extensive FBI background check to obtain my WA License to Carry a Concealed Pistol. I have completed Safety training through both The State of Washington and The NRA, as well as handgun safety training in CA. I also secure my firearms in a safe when I am not present. What else do you want?

Gun owners have been granting the gun banners the "middle ground" for some time not, and each time they want to meet at a new middle ground with more restrictions than before. You have stated that you want all guns banned, and all gun owners are, "pieces of shit" which leaves no room for compromise.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:28:05 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
NRA is not even close to ALL gun owners and therefor it's policies cannot possibly be said to reflect all of America's gun owners.

The Brady Campaign's surveys showed a remarkable flexibility and progressive attitude on gun policies held by the majority of gun owners surveyed.

The vast amount money that supports the NRA's politics come from industry lobby groups not from individuals. Total member revenue is only around $200 million.

The NRA is literally dying. The average member is white and over 45. Not exactly a growth demographic.

None of this points to an unbeatable organization by any stretch.

All this bullshit about how we'll never get any meaningful changes is just that: BULLSHIT.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/
Posted by tkc]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:06:50 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Posted by Geraldo Riviera]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:59:57 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> District of Columbia v. Heller, which established that the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals:
Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.

[...]nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
That's the rabid wingnut side. When you are well to the right of Scalia, you're in a pretty dark place.

I'm still waiting for you or any other gun nut or libertarian like David Wright to make a serious proposal that would control access to guns in any way shape or form AND THEN ACTUALLY FOLLOW THROUGH ON IT in any way shape or form.

Instead all I hear is "nothing, nothing, nothing" or occasionally "here's a few fake little crumbs, but I'll block it if you try to enact it".

America is tired of that bullshit. It is bullshit. You are bullshit.
Posted by Fnarf]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:04:46 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
at least it might stop some the schizo loners like in the aurora, giffords & cafe racer shootings.
Posted by Max Solomon]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:59:26 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
Better strip some more rights. Dear leader already took away the 4th 5th 6th and 8th with the partiot act.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

-- Samuel Adams

Posted by Cascadian Bacon]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:25:29 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Posted by David Wright]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:15:27 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> Posted by David Wright]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:09:10 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]> "Given these facts, gun control advocates, please, openly espouse one of the following positions: ..."

Excellent points.

@9
"I don't understand the push for background checks."

It's a "feel-good" band-aid.
It MIGHT have some value if mental health professionals were involved.
But to do that there would have to be massive improvements to the mental health system.
Which would be a good thing on its own.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:09:01 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
Because this isn't just a hysterical reaction to mass murders? Because it's also about the 30,000 people killed every year in mere "ordinary" shootings?

And you're wrong about whether they all would have passed because you haven't defined what kind of background check you're talking about. No doubt the watered down background check the NRA will champion would have given them all guns.

It's funny how the gun lobby keeps saying gun control is ineffective when it's the gun lobby who works so hard to make every law toothless.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:02:44 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: New Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Stricter Gun Laws]]>
Australia begs to differ with you on the question of whether assault weapons can be defined or not. Will your definition meet every example? No. Will it meet some? Yes. Half a loaf is not the same thing as no loaf at all, no matter how many times you insist it is.

And it is becoming obvious that a large majority of Americans want something to happen, whether you say it's acceptable or not.
Posted by Fnarf]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:57:20 -0800 The Stranger