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      <![CDATA[Um, touche, iinda-sorta, #58
        
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      <![CDATA[Though you did vociferously defend it before I directly quoted it.  Sorry, I'm not sorry for pointing out how you are a lying hypocrite, as you are now accusing me of being.
        
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      <![CDATA[Um, YOU posted the study.  We just intelligently critiqued it.  I'd agree that it's not very informative.  If you'd like to back away from it now, we won't hold it against you.  We just pointed out that it didn't say what you thought it did, before you actually read it, after we actually did.  You might try reading before proposing articles as supporting your asinine points, in the future.
        
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      <![CDATA[The entire study is bogus, but the lying "progressives" here preferred to ignore that because the conclusion told them what they wanted to hear. You people are every last bit as stupid and arrogant as Sarah Palin.
        
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      <![CDATA[Edit would be nice...<br />
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*skipped to 24.  Still don't know why.<br />
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*Those who do not get DUIs because they don't own a car will not be in the denominator of those requesting insurance quotes.  I'll admit that it's somewhat unclear whether they did DUIs/total population or DUIs/number of quotes, but it sounds like the latter to me, which does not include a large number of people without DUIs in the denominator.
        
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      <![CDATA[They're only missing ONE of the top 20 cities.  Why they jumped from 20 to 23 to include Baltimore beats me, but the simple fact is that they only included 20 cities, not all 285 as you implied.  My best guess is that Baltimore has been losing population (this much is a known fact), and was in the top 20 when they first made the list (this is supposition), so they wanted to keep it for continuity.  Also, there's the pesky little fact that there are significant numbers of people WITHOUT individual car insurance in areas with significant transit (by virtue of not having cars), so the rate of people reporting DUIs on insurance quotes is going to be skewed by thousands, perhaps tens or hundreds of thousands, of people never getting DUIs by virtue of not owning cars.  Not owning a car is FAR less likely outside of the biggest cities with the best transit and transportation alternatives.
        
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      <![CDATA[#53, yeah, and read the list. It's not the top 20 cities. And to survey only 20 of the country 285 cities with populations over 100,000 was meaningless to begin with.
        
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      <![CDATA["Source and methodology: <a href="http://insurance.com/Insurance.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://insurance.com/Insurance.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Insurance.com/Insurance.com</a></a> based its list on the top 20 cities by population, according to the Census Bureau. (No data was available for Massachusetts.) We then looked at people in those cities who requested car insurance quotes at <a href="http://insurance.com/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://insurance.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Insurance.com</a></a> and <a href="http://carinsurance.com/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://carinsurance.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CarInsurance.com</a></a>, and calculated the percentage of people in each city who reported having at least one alcohol-related violation."<br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Uni&hellip;</a><br />
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Reading is fundamental...
        
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      <![CDATA[They don't care about the laws they make, they do it for the money, the fame, the power. They don't care about us, they make these laws because it makes them lots of money, then they get to go home and do whatever they want while people who participate in this behavior normally aren't allowed employment. What this senator represents is the negative justice in America, in the worst possible way.
        
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      <![CDATA[Try this another way, my little retard. Four of the top six cities for transit ridership are in the top 6% of American cities when it comes to DUI. schmacky, a mind (such as yours is) is a terrible thing to waste!
        
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      <![CDATA[Come on, schmacky, put down the joint and <i>think</i> for a change. Yeah, yeah. It's <i>hard</i> to think. But you can do it!
        
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      <![CDATA[Okay, schmacky, I guess I need to spell it out for the retards among us, i.e., you.<br />
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1. There are 285 cities with populations of at least 100,000. <br />
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2. There are about 10 cities with rail transit in the United States. Of those 10 cities, four of them (New York, Chicago, Philly, and San Francisco) are in the top 17 cities (of 285) for DUI.<br />
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Yet, we have a typical Seattle "progressive" telling the lie that having transit decreases DUIs, when the data show that <i>exactly the opposite is true.</i> You people are just pathetic.
        
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      <![CDATA[Poor schmacky. Can't read a list. No wonder "progressives" want to throw more money at the public schools. They were trained so well there!
        
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      <![CDATA[Mister G @46...are you just a troll, or did you get dropped on your head when you were a baby?<br />
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"Three of the nation's top five locations for big-city DUI citations are in California, according to <a href="http://insurance.com/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://insurance.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Insurance.com</a></a> data on DUI citations <b>in 20 of the nation's largest U.S. cities</b> for Nov. 1, 2010, to Oct. 31, 2011."<br />
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Your reading comprehension needs serious work, man. They are only focusing on the biggest cities, not every city in the whole damn country. <br />
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And then there's this:<br />
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"A city may rank near the top of the DUI citation list for a number of reasons, <b>including a lack of public transportation</b>, or a police force that's good at doings its job – or both."<br />
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They support my argument verbatim right there in the goddamn article!<br />
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I hope Santa got you a new brain for Christmas.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ah schmacky. The average Seattle "progressive" really isn't very smart, is he? Or is it just the lying? There are thousands of cities in the U.S., but four of the most transit heavy of the bunch are in the top 17 for DUIs. And here we have a Seattle "progressive" trying to tell us that his point was proven.
        
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      <![CDATA[First, just want to say again how amusing it is that @40 is so very wrong and a fool for posting a link that proves the very point he's attempting to refute.<br />
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Second, while anybody who drinks can make the mistake of driving drunk, it is nevertheless something that is not to be tolerated, particularly when those who are guilty of it are moral absolutists like this Crapo a-hole.
        
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      <![CDATA[you would think someone with the last name Crapo who survived grade school would have the sense not to do anything stupid... wait, a mor(m)on... ok, never mind my last statement...
        
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      <![CDATA[@42 but don't you know the exception disproves the rule?<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[@40: Did you even read that article? They just took the top 20 most populous cities and ranked them according to DUI rates. You do notice that NYC, the most populous (and transit rich) city, is 17th on the list? And that outside of SF (which is in California, a state with high enforcement emphasis), all the cities in the top 10 have shit transit?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[And Senator Kennedy  chose to drive drunk and drown a woman because that's who he was.<br />
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Noted.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Mister G]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[#37 is spouting the usual Seattle "progressive" bullshit. Turns out that San Francisco, which has plenty of mass transit, is #5 on the list <a href="http://www.insurance.com/auto-insurance/auto-insurance-basics/cities-with-the-most-drunk-driving-offenders.aspx" rel="nofollow">DUI per-capita city rankings</a>, and New York, Chicago, and Philadelphia are in the top 20.<br />
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But hey, what Seattle "progressive" ever let any facts get in the way of a good old-fashioned baldfaced lie?
        
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      <![CDATA[If it is possible to be too drunk to consent to sex, it is also possible to be too drunk to be held responsible for driving.
        
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      <![CDATA[Goldy, what is your source for the assertion you made in the Morning News that Crapo is a Bishop?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[schmacky]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[You guys all seem to be missing a crucial element of alcohol's effect on one's brain. In short, it makes you way more confident about your ability to handle something like driving than you should otherwise be based on your level of inebriation. It's a chemical thing. You don't have to be some kind of entitled asshole to drive drunk...it's completely common for otherwise non-asshole types to believe they're fine to drive. That's one of the reasons it happens all the time (as evidenced by the aforementioned stat that most people with DUIs have actually driven drunk an average of 200 times before they get caught).<br />
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It's also why the access and ease of public transit is such a principal factor in DUI rates per capita.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Ryan Dunn was lyin' low at the time]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Fear not, I read that Randy Travis has volunteered to drive Senator Crapo to and from his appointments.
        
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