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      <![CDATA[#47, then put another initiative on the ballot. Make sure to use your own money.
        
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      <![CDATA[@46 I would also like to see Goldy (or anyone) do a more detailed rundown of gun violence in Seattle.<br />
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I'd also like to see that compared to road rage incidents, which sadly have some overlap as in the case of Yancy Noll (RIP).
        
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      <![CDATA[Remember folks, white people with legal guns, rarely using them?<br>
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Gun nuts!!<br>
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Black people with illegal guns using them often?<br>
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Poverty victims!!
        
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      <![CDATA[@49 Somehow when I see po'verty, I can't picture it with Ja'mari Jones and Deshawn "Dope dealer" Millikin hanging out in Munchbar.  When I imagine po'verty, I see shanties, not Cristal and high end sports bars in Bellevue Square.
        
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      <![CDATA[@49 Lots of poor Chinese in Chinatown, I bet the "poverty" rate is equal to blacks .... how come it's the blacks trashing the ID and mugging people?
        
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      <![CDATA[That was nice -- and well said.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@49 lf thugs are unemployable at $9/hr, who would hire them at $16/hr?
        
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      <![CDATA[@48, Perhaps a more meaningful way of looking at it..<br />
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Seattle - poverty rate, 2009 @ 14.5%<br />
Chicago - poverty rate, 2009 @ 27.5%<br />
New Orleans - poverty rate, 2009 @ 31.5%<br />
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Anywhere you have large disparities in wealth combined with a large percentage of poor, you're going to have higher crime rates and more homicides. I bet that raising the minimum wage to $16-20/hour (adjusted for area, that's about the minimum you need to keep out of poverty with a 40 hour work week) would have a greater reduction in crime than any firearms bill. Better yet, tie the minimum wage in a company to the highest salary. You want to pay the CEO $10 million a year, that's fine as long as you pay the janitor 100k/year. Don't forget to include stock options and other benefits in total compensation!<br />
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@34, I have zero problem with making it harder to own handguns, particularly if part of making it harder includes training and mental health issues. My problem is that the big noise is a "assault weapons" ban. When "assault weapons" make up a miniscule portion of deaths. The difference is that handguns mostly kill the poor and disenfranchised, and apparently we don't give a shit about them.<br />
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@23, Have you ever gone into a store and tried to buy a 100 round magazine? Do you know anything about firearms other than what you've seen on TV? If all the crazy-ass psychopaths used 100 round magazines, they'd be out of the picture must faster because their magazines would jam. (See Aurora, CO)<br />
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There has not been a single mass-shooter who was not batshit crazy. While it may make 'gun control nuts' feel good to ban "assault weapons" it is not going to do anything to prevent batshit crazy people from killing people if that is what they want to do. And it is also not going to do anything about the majority of firearms violence/death in this country.
        
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      <![CDATA[And here's another statistics. <br>
Seattle black percentage - 7.9<br>
Chicago's 36.8<br>
New Orleans 67. <br>
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Matches up quite nicely with the difference in murder rates. The only thing Seattle "does right" is not having a lot of blacks.
        
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      <![CDATA[@45 - LOL. The State also defeated an initiative that same year that would've given homos discrimination protection. Yet here we are in 2013 with marriage equality given at the ballot box by referendum. What's your point again?
        
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      <![CDATA[@20<br />
"Maybe, just maybe, overall homicide rates are more complex than simply, 'OMG! GUNS!'"<br />
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But saying that the situation is a lot more complicated than "OMG! GUNS!" does not get the kind of hits that drive advertising here.<br />
If Goldy was actually interested in addressing this issue, he'd run a continuing list of all shootings here including whether anyone was hit or killed and the reason behind the shooting (as far as can be determined).<br />
But Goldy is more into the grief porn aspect so instead you'll see whatever shooting he is interested in throughout the nation.
        
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      <![CDATA[Seattle's low murder rate exist in a state with some of the least restrictive gun laws, and which defeated a mild gun control initiative by 71-29% in 1997. I'd say Goldy just provided an argument against strengthening WA State's gun laws.
        
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      <![CDATA[@42 Remember, they're not assault weapons they're home defense appliances.
        
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      <![CDATA[@41, 42: not in Seattle. Ian Stawicki used 2 .45 caliber handguns, 1/3 of the arsenal he owned and carried legally. <br />
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Aurora, Newtown, though...<br />
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starting off 2013 as callous as 2012 i see.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yeah, @41. And be sure to especially bitch about those ugly black "assault rifles," which probably didn't account for <i>any</i> of those deaths.
        
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      <![CDATA[Murder rates are low, let's cry until everybody's guns are taken away regardless!
        
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      <![CDATA[@39 I think we can put the reason behind Seattle's low murder rate in the 'every body knows it, nobody says it' category.
        
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      <![CDATA[@36 - It's so you can imply correlation.
        
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      <![CDATA[@35 - why don't you tell us? Somewhere else preferably Andrew.
        
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      <![CDATA[@34 Washington state has relatively weak gun laws, yet the murder rate in Seattle is very low. Why do you think that is?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[...because it usually rips them a new one.]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Why do Liberals fear new ideas?<br>
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Why do Liberals fear most of all The Truth?
        
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      <![CDATA[@20 sure its more complex than just the tool - but the problem is that you guys kinda need to fix the tools designed for killing humans now so you can worry about the rest later.<br />
Plus you have kinda omitted allot of details that make German gun laws different from the US. Ours (Sweden) and their gun laws are similar and the parts you don't mention is the amount of control involved, the steps required. You can't just buy a gun and you can definitely not buy a pistol (again, its a tool thats shit for basically every single thing except killing humans) in the same way as in the US.<br>
        
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I know you are...but what am I ?<br />
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sXENI8tpJE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sXENI8tp&hellip;</a><br />
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    <author><![CDATA[Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]></author>
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One thing I do know, you and the other meanspirited lowlife urbists, Google bombers, snippy teens and hipsters weren't around back then...and it certainly was a nicer place.<br />
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But hey, the unemployment rate is dropping fast in LA and the rents in Manhattan are falling as well.<br />
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Maybe it's not long before 45th street is empty at 2pm in the afternoon.  <br />
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Once again.<br>
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:21:34 -0800</pubDate>
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