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      <title>Comments On: Tacoma Goes into the Dark
    
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      <![CDATA[56% per cent of riders have an annual salary under $20,000<br />
46% do not own cars<br />
This is on top other cuts, so now 57% cut in 2 years<br />
Out of 220,000 votes, Prop 1 lost by 704 votes<br />
Most of you are callous, callous people
        
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      <![CDATA[Rail does nothing to address gridlock.
        
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      <![CDATA[So much for "Wired City", looks like Tacoma is gonna be "Car Hell City" from now one... That'll make the commute between Seattle and Olympia that much worse.  Perhaps we can get Sound Transit to actually build an effective rail line between the capitol and Seattle (hell, Everett even) so we can avoid the coming perma-gridlock on Tacoma's stretch of I-5.
        
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      <![CDATA[#15, you "progressives" still refuse to learn your lesson, so we'll just have to keep right on teaching it to you, won't we?
        
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      <![CDATA[@10 They wanted to improve the system because it's already fucked as it is. This is definitely the nail in the coffin, but Pierce Transit has been drastically substandard for a few years. Now it's being permanently crippled, and given a schedule that I can't imagine is useful for much of anybody. What a pity.
        
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      <![CDATA[@11: actually, it's for a very precise reason - it's so they don't have to pay benefits to older, long-term employees who tend to have higher medical expenses.
        
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      <![CDATA[@11, Actually, I thought high-turnover was inherently destabilizing and negative for a business.  So no, I didn't think that.  I also was thinking of Mall-based businesses, like Sears and (barf) Forever21, not big-box places like Mal-Wart.  Although I simply assumed the same thing.<br />
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Perhaps it has to do with paying insurance premiums for long-lived employees that drives the turnover you speak of.
        
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      <![CDATA[Better them than us!
        
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      <![CDATA[@9,<br />
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Don't you think those companies already have high turnover?  Wal-Mart's is off the charts already.  For whatever reason, American businesses like having to hire new employees on a regular basis.
        
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      <![CDATA[None of the Stranger's coverage has ever mentioned that the proponents of the Pierce County transit referendum wanted to <i>expand</i> that system, rather than simply preserve it. As a result, they asked for more taxes than they needed to. They overreached, and were slapped down as a result.<br />
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"Progressives," are you capable of learning your lessons, or do we have to keep slapping you down until you just get tired of being slapped down?
        
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      <![CDATA[I think the rich person is being irrational (selfish) because they have more, the philanthropic responsibility falls on their shoulders ('with great power,' etc.).  And the poorer people are <i>also</i> being irrational.. because seriously.. a 0.3% tax for bus service?  The question is: <i>maintain</i> or improve bus the service?  Sad if it is only to maintain what they have.  The economy & business will be hurt, but the poor will suffer the lion's share of the damage.<br />
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@8 High turnover due to employee absenteeism and sackings is a cost businesses may have to deal with.  Turnover sucks, and may also result in employee theft as well.  "Hidden costs" as they say.
        
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      <![CDATA[@5,<br />
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They won't need to deal with it.  Their minimum wage workers will show up or get fired, which is why I think you're right about pedestrian fatalities.  This will also be a boon for cab companies.
        
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      <![CDATA[Also, Chuck,<br />
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I find your use of "dark" to be extremely racist.  You can't imply that non-white people can't be trusted with the vote in this day and age.  Shame on you!
        
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      <![CDATA[So, Chuck,<br />
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You're saying that the poor should not be allowed to vote because they are too stupid to act in their own best interest?<br />
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Marxism is so enlightened!<br />
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Hard to understand why the western world has rejected it so resoundingly…  (Must be too many poor people voteing).<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[Should be interesting to see how major commercial centers, like the Tacoma Mall area, deal with employees who can no longer work weekends or evenings.  These are minimum wage workers who can't just buy a car when the bus service stops.  Are they going to lose their jobs?<br />
Also, will the rate of pedestrian - vehicle accidents rise now that more people are going to be walking on the side of the road at night & early morning?
        
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      <![CDATA[Interesting perspective in the last paragraph.<br />
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Think of it this way: The voters - those who registered and bothered to vote - have reached their consensus. If, as we suspect, there's a drastic, onerous inconvenience, then Tacoma and its sourroundings will suffer, and then this will be an object lesson.  People will suddenly find themselves stuck at home because they didn't want shell out three pennies for every ten dollars.  (Or because they couldn't get their act together and vote.)  I know we say this every time a Tim Eyman initiative passes, but the potential consequences of losing so much public transportation, all at once, might really prove to be shock.
        
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      <![CDATA[True, but sales taxes disproportionately impact the poor. We should have an income tax.
        
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      <![CDATA[They are adults, just like you, and know what they are doing and the consequences.
        
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      <![CDATA[Plus, even most of the poor in this country own cars.
        
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