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      <![CDATA[38<br>
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A Moron is King in the Land of Retards.<br>
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Do you know what behavior infects those clever wits with the VIRUS?<br>
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Evidently not.<br>
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Which puts you in a big crowd.<br>
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Have of them don't, either.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think the instructor might have misinterpreted this column: <a href="http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=10043057" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Savag&hellip;</a> which is not about child pornography, but incest pornography, which is most likely made with legal-age performers. I think the distinction Dan drew in the column, between people who are turned on by incest as an erotic hypothetical and those who want to fuck their nonhypothetical relatives, was very smart and sensible. I can see, however, how an incest survivor might have failed to read it correctly on account of being emotionally triggered while reading it.
        
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      <![CDATA[vennominon: The Gender Guesser website votes M, with too few words for accuracy.
        
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<a href="http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=9697" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Savag&hellip;</a>
        
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I was surprised that some commenters gendered the professor female. In my mind the instructor was definitely male.
        
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      <![CDATA[@25:  You do know what the V in "HIV" stands for?<br />
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hint:  "Human Immunodeficiency VIRUS."  Not "Human Immunodeficiency Buttsex."<br />
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Moron.
        
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      <![CDATA[@19:  It's not a paradox.  You consider a case on the merits of its particulars, not on its syntactic similarity to some other case.  If mere similarity in logical construction granted the same validity, we would be grinding up people along with cows for hamburger.
        
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      <![CDATA[@22 I think laws preventing older men from having sexual relationships w/ under age boys serve a legitimate purpose. In some cases a sexual relationship between a 16 year old boy and an adult man might be healthy and mutually beneficial. However, I think such a relationship is more likely to be exploitative than a relationship between an 18 year old and an older man. Most people grow up a lot in their late teens. Some people mature faster than others, but the law needs to draw the line somewhere.
        
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      <![CDATA[@18 I'm pretty sure it was actually a podcast call-- I started listening to the archives fairly recently. But I think you have the story and the advice correct. That said I also at the time was thinking, "Dan's right, probably not pedophile... but..."
        
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      <![CDATA[@30 well, I re-re-read the student's first letter and the direct quote from the prof that begins "Just an FYI, there are those of us who do not believe..." <br />
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I don't see any intimidation or abuse of power or failure to indicate it was personal opinion.<br />
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The prof. was wrong on the facts, and of course professors should be correct. <br />
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As to victim status, I hear you, there's a school that says professors should be to-the-facts-only and never mention anything about who they are, but frankly that's dated, today the pedagogy says engage, share, delineate your experience, encourage dialogue.<br />
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The prof. concluded by praising Savage's IGB project -- indicating the door was open for dialogue and the prof. was respecting the student's appreciation of Savage (and we now know the dialogue took place). <br />
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So again, the prof was an idiot and wrong, and maybe you don't like his/her pedagogy, but from what was given to us and Cantor, def. not abusing power.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think in all this discussion it is often lost that a lot of the people who rape children *ALSO RAPE ADULTS.*<br />
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some pedophiles don't harm children, either directly or by consuming child porn, and on the other hand, a large portion of the people who *do* harm children are *not* pedophiles in that they are also attracted to adults and just don't give a shit about consent, is all.
        
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      <![CDATA[College students out there -- puhlease save your complaints for real jerks. (And if your prof has tenure, you're probably shit out of luck.)<br />
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Opinion of Dan went down a notch too, for not questioning Cantor's suggestion to go to the dept. chair about being afraid even though there was no intimidation, no professional wrongdoing. There's a whole school of pedagogy in social justice that disclosing one's history is relevant and a good teaching technique.<br />
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Plus, many profs are not tenured. I once was not re-appointed after I said in lecture "in my opinion our society is really fucked up on this issue" [not giving homeless people enough support], and a Christian student complained about the f* word. They found someone else to teach next time... even though 95% of students said my class was the best they'd ever had. Now I have tenure and have been a dept. chair, and on the other side, it's all about reducing liability, even if a complaint is groundless, easier to hire another adjunct next time.<br />
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Methinks Cantor & Savage don't understand how colleges in USA work and/or were assholes on this point.
        
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      <![CDATA[@29:<br />
If Cantor read the first email and not the second, I understand what he's thinking.<br />
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The professor used strong language making baseless accusations with no sourcing (both pro child porn & other "dangerous advice") and then used victim status to discourage debate. Within the context of the power a professor has over an undergrad, that's the real academic bullying, IMO.
        
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      <![CDATA[My opinion of James Cantor has just tanked. What a bully.<br />
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I think the professor was wrong. Dan, as usual, handled this well. <br />
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But Cantor encouraging the student to file a formal complaint to dept. chair and licensing board? Whoa! (since when are professors licensed? unless I guess the professor is a psychologist or a doctor)<br />
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Nowhere in what the student said, did the professor threaten the student's grade, neither explicitly nor implicitly, nor do anything unethical or incompetent.<br />
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It is perfectly OK for a teacher to share personal opinions when relevant to class content, provided they delineate it's personal opinion, and are open to a two-way dialogue with a student with the expectation that either prof. or student (or both) might change their minds on the basis of evidence -- which is exactly what happened. <br />
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Isn't this type of exchange what should be taking place in college? Especially in a social justice class?
        
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      <![CDATA[@22 and Sargon FTW.<br>
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The point is not what society's current mores are.<br>
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The point is Danny's Hypocrisy.<br>
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Danny asserts that HIS "innate" deviant (as it, deviates from the normal biological function) attraction is A-OK but pedophiles' innate deviant attraction can not be acted on.<br>
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Just like Marriage "Equality" means marriage for HIM  but not for poly people.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[whoops. don't forget to report us to the Department Chair...]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Don't forget Danny telling kids Unprotected Anal Sex is 100% SAFE&FOOLPROOF!!!™<br>
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that was awesome.......
        
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      <![CDATA["Personally (and feel free to pass it on to Jason), I would have reported the whole incident and fear of reprisal to the prof's department chair and licensing board. Scholars have a duty to keep their personal politics and unresolved personal issues out of the classroom. "<br>
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Because Academic Freedom is only for HomoLiberals.<br>
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HomoLiberal college instructors (and public school teachers) are free to impose their enlightened ideology on students.<br>
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Because they are enlightened, of course.<br>
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But if a faculty member strays from the HomoLiberal Theology they must be  reported  to the prof's department chair and licensing board. <br>
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asshole.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[you are sick.]]></author>
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Is a consentual behavior that gives 20% of those who engage in it HIV (and uncounted innocent family members) really doing no harm to anyone?<br>
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      <![CDATA[Oh - and apologies to Ms Margaret for not mentioning that she genders the professor noncontrarily.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ms Hopkins and Mr Arsenic both gender the instructor contrarily. Fair enough. But which of them is right?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[OutInBumF]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I agree philosophically with Sargon.  Just where is the distinction?  Were we still in ancient Greece, the whole pedophile 'thing' would be moot- it's just what society does.  Just as gay was illegal, against society's morals, etc.  The catholics et al, are finally advancing to the same point Dan's at with pedophiles re: queerness- 'we know you can't help your attractions, but don't act on them', or something.  So there's really no difference in the thought processes, just the object of those processes.<br />
Even the distinction between consenting adults v unable to consent (responsibly) minors is an arbitrary line in the sand we've drawn.  At 16, I was more than happy to be 'abused' by my much older queer buddy.  Yet the law would have locked him up as a pedophile.<br />
Bottom line is that society decides what is legal v illegal.  And society does change its outlook on things with the times.  Even the attitude re: pedophile priests has changed with the outing of the gays- in the day when these priests abused, it was simply too shameful to even think about clearly, much less discuss, among both priests and laity.  Now that we talk about such things openly, it's changed the whole discussion, and what they've done has become abominable.  There was a day when 'Don't want your son buggered, don't let him be an altar boy' was kind of the way it was.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[tkc]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[More ideological purity horse shit. When it's not the radical right it's loony left with their pious check-list nonsense.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[SeattleKim]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[@14, in this case, it is making a distinction between behavior that is harmful and desire that has not been acted on.  Far different than consentual behavior that is doing no harm to anyone.  If a person has managed to avoid acting on his harmful desires, we should be all in on helping him maintain.  There is no actual behavior to hate.  He hasn't done anything wrong.
        
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