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      <![CDATA[Master & Margarita wasn't published anywhere until 1966-67; soviet censors removed some bits of it (the complete text circulated as samizdat). Part of Bulgakov's brilliance is that he managed to write enough of that book cleverly enough to get 90% of it past the censors; there are enough layers of meaning and metonyms and metaphors and trickery to fool a lot of readers. <br>
I think dismissing Mieville out-of-hand is poor judgment; I can see why he doesn't appeal to everyone (though I *can't* see why anyone would dislike Un Lun Dun), but disliking his prose style and/or his politics doesn't make him either pretentious or terrible. And I'm keen to sift through his list and see what I can add to my to-read list.
        
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      <![CDATA[@18-  I've read it a half dozen times, I loved it in high school.  Then I thought about it more.<br />
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The idea presented in the book is that the Perfect Man  can guide people to an ideal existence, and those who can't fit in will be eliminated.  It's fascist hippy messianism.  It beats Nazism, but it's no freedom loving democracy, it's a light-handed authoritarianism. It's just assumed that after being exposed to the Man From Mars's message, society will eventually conform.
        
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      <![CDATA[I've been reading all kinds of fiction for decades, and think Mieville is wonderful. His intelligence and humor are a delight, and his philosophy in support of economic underdogs is thought provoking.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[@17,<br />
Naw, he only erased people who were direct, immediate threats (and even <i>that</i> isn't completely true, at the end). M.V. Smith was pretty open and accepting of the odd types who challenged the status quo. You should re-read it. Good book. Weird, but good. I'm not even sure I grokked it completely.
        
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      <![CDATA[@16-  A free loving hippie commune...with a leader who erases people from existence if he thinks they can't fit in.
        
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      <![CDATA[also, reminder that Heinlein wrote fascist stuff as thought experimentation<br />
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you can't seriously think he was a fascist after reading Stranger in a Strange Land<br />
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his hero starts a free-love hippie commune, for fuck's sake
        
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      <![CDATA[his comment about "making it past the censors" is pretty silly<br />
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the USSR didn't really have a crackdown on expression until after WWII<br />
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      <![CDATA[I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see the Gormenghast books on the list, since Mieville and Peake share a love of the grotesque, but it's only in the third book where one encounters meaty politics.  Mieville's wrong, it is a disappointment.  You can easily tell which parts Peake had finished and where it was getting filled in by the editors.  It's still interesting but after the minute intensity and polish of the first too books it was a real let down.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Urgutha Forka]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Most of the fantasy and sci-fi novels I enjoy reading are the ones opposite my own beliefs (they're supposed to be fantasy and fiction, after all).<br />
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So, <i>The Fountainhead</i> is up there for me, but  <i>Atlas Shrugged</i> was way too long and, really, if you've read one Ayn Rand novel, you've read them all. Plenty of Heinlein novels are on my list (e.g., <i>Starship Troopers, Red Planet,</i> and <i>Starman Jones</i> are some of my favorites). But I also really enjoy Vonnegut's novels; (<i>Player Piano,</i>and <i>Sirens of Titan,</i> are tops.<br />
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People who are only capable of reading novels that conform to their pre-held beliefs seem closed-minded to me. But to each his/her own.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[minderbender]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[The fact that Mieville thinks <i>Master and Margarita</i> "got past the censors" reveals that he is a complete idiot.  Like, total fucking moron.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Julie in Eugene]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Hmm.  I just read Vonnegut's  God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater, and I probably would've put that on the list.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Will in Seattle]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Just read The Door Into Summer by Heinlein and the Foundation series and you've got enough proto-Randian thought done by far better authors to get you by.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow - exactly 50! What are the chances?
        
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      <![CDATA[Atlas Shrugged?  Ouch.  Couldn't we just substitute The Fountainhead and suffer 500 fewer pages?  One amphetamine-fueled turd should be as good as another.
        
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      <![CDATA[@3: I have shelves full of hundreds of novels. The only Heinlein ones I can think that I own are Glory Road and Sixth Column. Neither one precludes the fact that Mieville is a pretentious twit incapable of writing a sympathetic character to save his fucking life.
        
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      <![CDATA[@1 I kind of agree with you, except in the case of The City The City. That is such a great book.
        
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      <![CDATA[Good list. Glad he included the Macleod, the Banks, and the Robinson. A little heavy on the pre first world war stuff, if you ask me, but as a cat myself, I cant say enough good about the Master and Margarita, natch.
        
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      <![CDATA[Nobody will see this since I'm posting anon, but Le Guin's The Dispossessed is the most radically socialist (communist?) book on this list. A must read for those that have missed it.
        
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      <![CDATA[I imagine NateMan has a shelf full of Robert Heinlein novels.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm a huge fan of the Master and Margarita... don't remember the Wandering Jew being in it.
        
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      <![CDATA[Can't fucking stand China Mieville. I find his works pretentious, dull, and full of characters I wouldn't waste piss on if they were on fire. They're not even protagonists I love to hate; they're only hateworthy. Why am I not surprised he's got a hard on for socialism?
        
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