http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/02/25/n-carolina-student-censured-for-intimidating-her-rapist Comments On: N. Carolina Student Censured for "Intimidating" Her Rapist by Cienna Madrid en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Mon, 20 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Mon, 20 May 2013 15:30:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by Rob in Baltimore]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:15:41 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Keey]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:03:20 -0800 The Stranger She apparently sought relief through the school rather than filing a police report. Gambill has not responded to ABC News' requests for comment.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/unc-student-ris…

There was no police investigation and no evidence that a rape occurred. It's a "he said-she said" situation. The student court found her accusations not believable due to the fact that she presented absolutely no evidence, and him not guilty.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:06:50 -0800 The Stranger

Posted by Rob in Baltimore]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 04:15:51 -0800 The Stranger
http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2012…

UNC has a full-fledged police department, complete with investigators and specialized teams. There are over 50 armed officers.

I have no idea what they do if they catch a rapist (or anyone committing a violent felony).
Posted by clashfan]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:52:23 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Unbrainwashed]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:42:42 -0800 The Stranger
On the other hand, the logic that women should devote the time and energy necessary to ninja their way out of rape is even more BS. Not only is it impractical when someone is drugged or the assailant is armed, but living in that state of fear is exhausting.

People should learn to speak up when their boundaries are crossed. People should learn to listen when their partners speak up. That's the best real-world solution you can expect to get.

False rape accusations: Most of the time they're used as character assassination, and the accuser doesn't want to see a courtroom where they'll have to present evidence. I'm not seeing much character assassination here, so much as people being upset at the university's system. Gambill is just one of many people upset with them, and one of the few willing to go public.

Overall: This is why I hate rape discussions. It's an accusation that the honor court is messed up, that the victim's rights (such as sealed testimony) were not respected, and that the university is now trying to intimidate her. These are the real issues. But because rape happens to be tangential to the story, everything else becomes forgotten as this becomes a one-issue discussion.
Posted by ChiTodd]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:27:11 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Space Sausage]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:36:59 -0800 The Stranger http://theenlivenproject.com/the-truth-a…
Posted by psbirch]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:49:20 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Space Sausage]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:28:20 -0800 The Stranger
Sociopaths and psychopaths are born, and there is nothing to be done for that, but I don't think this represents the average rapist (but like you I don't have any sociological data).

What we do know is that rape is common, and it can't be all psychopaths doing all that raping. Somehow, people are getting the notion that if they are turned on they are owed sex, if the girl is drunk or showing cleavage, it's her own damn fault anyway.

When have guys putting up videos calling themselves the "Rape Crew" and bragging about exploits, laughing about rape victims, and frats picketing outside a sorority with signs that say "no means yes, yes means anal" and yes, as a matter of fact, it is necessary to tell men not to rape, not to put up with slut shaming and rape culture.

If for no other reason than it would actually help their cause of getting laid. My experience with casual sex in college was pretty awful. Pulled off condoms, surprise anal, being made fun of and harassed - if that's how ya'll want to have it you can just choke on your cortisol already


Posted by Zbot]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:21:28 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Grrrrrape!]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:59:30 -0800 The Stranger
Now stop white-knighting rapists, you sick fuck.
Posted by treehugger]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:27:00 -0800 The Stranger
You'd think she'd have more than that after being raped by her long term boyfriend for so many years. You know, like 3rd party witnesses to the abuse which was going on for years apparently. So people's lives should be destroyed just on an accusation? How Taliban of you.
Posted by Who let the hysterics out?]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:02:42 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Rob in Baltimore]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:00:04 -0800 The Stranger Since she admitted that she was publicly accusing him without any evidence to back her claim, she was found guilty.

Without any evidence?

You mean except for her memories, trauma and all of the circumstantial evidence one would expect to find following a crime.

Here, let me fix that for you:
She went to the honor court expecting to find students well trained in how to handle sexual assault cases and instead found:

a school who at best strongly-discouraged her from complaining in the first place
an honor court more interested in discrediting her than pursuing the truth
promises then lies from her supposed allies regarding how she would be treated in the future
a whole hot mess of people who can't even agree on whether they received a day or an hour of training on the school's (at the time nonexistent) sexual harassment policy

I would hesitate before glibly tossing out "after not getting the verdict she wanted" and instead try replacing it with "after being treated really poorly by a system that should have at the very least been impartial."

Then maybe decide if you believe she has the right to complain.
Posted by six shooter]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:45:27 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrape!]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:35:50 -0800 The Stranger
Instead, she took her complaint to the student honor court, where, because of the total lack of evidence presented, the man was found not guilty. It is a he said she said situation, and one of the founding principles of our legal system is innocent until proven guilty. A student court should never have been allowed to hear this case. Even if there was indisputable evidence that a rape occurred, they can't put a rapist in jail. Hence he would be on the loose to rape again.

After not getting the verdict she wanted, and the student court found her accusations not believable, she proceeded to publicly state that her ex-boyfriend, who's still on campus raped her. If someone known by your family and friends to be your ex came into your community and accused an unnamed ex, who still lives in your community of child molestation, how would you respond? In this case, the man filed a complaint to the honor court against her. Since she admitted that she was publicly accusing him without any evidence to back her claim, she was found guilty.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:17:20 -0800 The Stranger Posted by ML77]]> Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:08:49 -0800 The Stranger
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pd… cites the a report of 18.3% of women "reported experiencing rape at some time in their lives" and "19%
experienced attempted or completed sexual assault since entering college" -- check the link for the citations of the studies.

The data is there if you want to look for it.
Posted by psbirch]]> Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:19:15 -0800 The Stranger
Not necessarily - a not-insignificant number of those will have been repeatedly victimized. Kind of like how roughly 50% of marriages end in divorce, but significantly fewer married people have been divorced.
Posted by Reader01]]> Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:10:08 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Unfar]]> Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:27:35 -0800 The Stranger
"As far as I'm concerned, you can change your mind before, even during, but just not after sex."
Posted by Kingsley A.]]> Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:24:21 -0800 The Stranger
"If the one-in-four statistic is correct—it is sometimes modified to “one-in-five to one-in-four”—campus rape represents a crime wave of unprecedented proportions. No crime, much less one as serious as rape, has a victimization rate remotely approaching 20 or 25 percent, even over many years. The 2006 violent crime rate in Detroit, one of the most violent cities in America, was 2,400 murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults per 100,000 inhabitants—a rate of 2.4 percent. The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience. Such a crime wave would require nothing less than a state of emergency—Take Back the Night rallies and 24-hour hotlines would hardly be adequate to counter this tsunami of sexual violence. Admissions policies letting in tens of thousands of vicious criminals would require a complete revision, perhaps banning boys entirely. The nation’s nearly 10 million female undergrads would need to take the most stringent safety precautions. Certainly, they would have to alter their sexual behavior radically to avoid falling prey to the rape epidemic.

None of this crisis response occurs, of course—because the crisis doesn’t exist. During the 1980s, feminist researchers committed to the rape-culture theory had discovered that asking women directly if they had been raped yielded disappointing results—very few women said that they had been. So Ms. commissioned University of Arizona public health professor Mary Koss to develop a different way of measuring the prevalence of rape. Rather than asking female students about rape per se, Koss asked them if they had experienced actions that she then classified as rape. Koss’s method produced the 25 percent rate, which Ms. then published.

Koss’s study had serious flaws. Her survey instrument was highly ambiguous, as University of California at Berkeley social-welfare professor Neil Gilbert has pointed out. But the most powerful refutation of Koss’s research came from her own subjects: 73 percent of the women whom she characterized as rape victims said that they hadn’t been raped. Further—though it is inconceivable that a raped woman would voluntarily have sex again with the fiend who attacked her—42 percent of Koss’s supposed victims had intercourse again with their alleged assailants.

All subsequent feminist rape studies have resulted in this discrepancy between the researchers’ conclusions and the subjects’ own views. A survey of sorority girls at the University of Virginia found that only 23 percent of the subjects whom the survey characterized as rape victims felt that they had been raped—a result that the university’s director of Sexual and Domestic Violence Services calls “discouraging.” Equally damning was a 2000 campus rape study conducted under the aegis of the Department of Justice. Sixty-five percent of what the feminist researchers called “completed rape” victims and three-quarters of “attempted rape” victims said that they did not think that their experiences were “serious enough to report.” The “victims” in the study, moreover, “generally did not state that their victimization resulted in physical or emotional injuries,” report the researchers."

The Campus Rape Myth by Heather Mac Donald, City Journal Winter 2008
Posted by Campus Rape Myth]]> Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:06:25 -0800 The Stranger
http://www.cdc.gov/features/collegehealt… cites that "Each year, about 1 in 20 college women are sexually assaulted." In a typical 4-year degree course, that comes to a roughly 20% change of a woman being assaulted during her undergraduate program. Taking into account graduate studies, and an assertion that some portion of sexual assaults go un-reported, you arrive at the not unreasonable figure of 1-in-4 women being assaulted during the course of their post-secondary education.
Posted by psbirch]]> Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:00:05 -0800 The Stranger