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Admit It, You're Already a Socialist

Before Democrats Start Ridiculing Socialist Candidate Kshama Sawant, They Might Want to Look at Their Own Platform

Admit It, You're Already a Socialist

PJ McQuade

A specter is haunting Seattle—the specter of socialism. And no, we're not just talking about Socialist Alternative candidate Kshama Sawant, who is challenging Democratic house Speaker Frank Chopp in Seattle's ultraliberal 43rd Legislative District. Sure, some have ridiculed Sawant for running as a Socialist this November. But most people don't even know what socialism really is (particularly those Tea Partyers who toss the word at the president). A Stranger investigation has revealed that socialism is already everywhere in Seattle!

It is in our schools. It is in our churches. It is in our very homes. Even as you read these words, socialism is silently running every tiny detail of your modern technological life.

Of course I'm talking about Seattle City Light, the 110-year-old publicly owned utility that has proven to be a triumph of the socialist ideal.

Socialist City Light?

As Merriam-Webster defines it, socialism is the "collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production." As such, City Light is socialism in spades.

Yes, through our ownership of City Light, the people of Seattle don't just own the means of production, we own the means to the means of production. Founded in 1902 by a seven-to-one citywide vote in order to break the monopoly of Seattle's overpriced private power supplier, City Light proved so popular, efficient, and successful that it eventually became a monopoly itself.

And our cheap power is not just an accident of geography. It took the central planning and collective resources of government—both City Light and the Bonneville Power Administration—to build the hydro infrastructure that generates the carbon-free electricity that powers our homes and industry. Unbeholden to shareholders and their demand for short-term profits, City Light's leaders and the elected officials built the Skagit River Hydroelectric Project in the 1920s and the Boundary Hydroelectric Project on the Pend Oreille River in the 1960s. "It was visionary," says City Light communications director Suzanne Hartman.

It was also socialism.

And this form of socialism is helping business.

"Electrical power represents the main energy cost for most businesses," writes the pro-business Washington Roundtable in its May report "Benchmarks for a Better Washington," a study that proudly notes that Washington boasts the lowest electricity rates in the nation.

So when Sawant's critics ridicule The Stranger for our straight-faced embrace of a candidate who outrageously advocates for the collective ownership of industry, they do so while pounding away on keyboards powered by Marxist ideology.

And while City Light may be the most extreme example of the mainstream application of socialist principles to everyday civic life, it is far from the only one. Indeed, outside of police, military, and foreign affairs, much of what our government does can be fairly described as socialist to some extent or another.

Medicare? Socialism.

Medicaid? Socialism.

Social Security? Hell, it's got the word "social" right in its goddamn name.

Obamacare? Not nearly as socialistic as it would've been (had the Democrats had the balls to implement a single-payer system or a public option). But when Republicans decry Obamacare as "socialized medicine," well, if by socialized medicine they mean dramatically expanding access to affordable health care through government subsidies, planning, and regulations, the GOPers kinda have a point.

And the list goes on. Unemployment insurance, workers' compensation, family and medical leave, food stamps, TANF, WIC, EITC, CHIP, and the rest of the acronyms that weave together our wide if fraying social safety net? Socialism all. And it's not just the poor, the elderly, and the disabled who benefit; commerce also enjoys the warm, nurturing embrace of the social welfare state. From farm subsidies to deposit insurance, from the Small Business Administration to the Export-Import Bank to the Federal fucking Reserve—these pro-business subsidies, programs, and agencies are all classic examples of the sort of centralized economic planning that is supposedly antithetical to free-market capitalism.

And then of course there was the Wall Street bailout. "Privatize the profits, socialize the risk." Well, no ideology is perfect.

Even public parks are socialist. Public libraries. Public schools! My god, what could be more contrary to the free-market pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps spirit that allegedly defines America than the government-imposed indoctrination of our children? And yet no less a champion of individual liberty than Thomas Jefferson was one of the earliest and most passionate advocates of a state-sponsored "system of general instruction, which shall reach every description of our citizens from the richest to the poorest."

Even the Tea Party's favorite founding father had a socialist streak. Who knew?

For all the knee-jerk ridicule hurled at any candidate who dares to define herself as a "Socialist," there really isn't all that much of a difference between Sawant's socialist platform and the so-called progressive platform of the King County Democrats.

At a recent Stranger Election Control Board interview, we asked Sawant's opponent Chopp for his position on a number of the core issues listed on Sawant's campaign website, and there was hardly a policy disagreement between the two. Federal and state jobs programs to provide living-wage jobs? Check. No cuts to social services? Check. Raise the minimum wage? Check. Impose a moratorium on home foreclosures? That's one of Chopp's pet causes.

On issue after issue, from civil rights to immigration reform to public transit, the Democrat Chopp and the Socialist Sawant are in total agreement, at least in principle. It was only when we got to the final plank in Sawant's 14-point platform that Chopp definitively balked. It turns out that despite City Light's outstanding track record under collective ownership, Chopp doesn't support Sawant's advocacy for taking local economic mainstays like Boeing, Microsoft, and Amazon "into public ownership under democratic workers' control to be run for public good, not private profit."

Go figure.

The unprecedented 12 percent of the vote Sawant garnered in the August primary as an undeclared write-in candidate doesn't augur a coming proletarian era or anything, and she's no more likely to seize the means of production from Jeff Bezos than the Republicans are to achieve their implied goal of executing abortion doctors and imprisoning their patients. The truth is, like all modern industrialized nations, we have a "mixed economy," a blend of free-market capitalism and the socialist policies needed to rein in and mitigate its abuses.

No, what Sawant brings to the political debate isn't the hope of victory, but a desperately needed dose of ideological balance in a city that laughs at the "socialist" label while powering its iPads and espresso machines off the purest incarnation of its philosophy. recommended

 

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Having Boeing and Amazon socialized is very different from the other things
Posted by sanfranchez on September 12, 2012 at 9:21 AM · Report
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Medicare and Medicaid are not socialistic programs;if they were,then they'd cover EVERYBODY!Don't fall for Goldy's scam;there are true socialist groups out there(and morally superior ones fronting ballot-eligible candidates in Washington:Jerry White of the Socialist Equality Party,plus Durham of the Freedom Socialist Party!)They're both write-in candidates--BUT ASK THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE IF YOUR WRITE-IN WILL BE MANDATORILY COUNTED BY THE SOS!!!call them!!!NOW!!!
Posted by 5th Columnist on September 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM · Report
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I really didn't know how The Stranger was going to top last week's global warming piece, but apparently the solution was "hide Goldy's meds for a week and see what happens".
Posted by Sean P. on September 12, 2012 at 11:11 AM · Report
wilbur@work 4
It's not the platform; it's the hat.
Posted by wilbur@work on September 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM · Report
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Although not an in-depth critique of socialism (e.g., historical influence in the early 20th Century in America, relation to Social Democracy in Germany and Canada), it certainly provides the obvious truth about Socialist policy in America. Many foundational services are based on a socialist principle...whether people wish to acknowledge it or not.
Posted by PJG on September 12, 2012 at 2:32 PM · Report
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What is Michael Nesmith doing in Seattle?
Posted by carnivorous chicken on September 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM · Report
JensR 7
"Socialist" is a very very broad term and it tends to be so flexible at the very end it may mean nothing at all. Of course the US is socialist or atleast have plenty of ideas that are based on socialist economical or political ideas.

I never got why americans had such a weird fear of that word...
Posted by JensR http://ohyran.se on September 12, 2012 at 2:54 PM · Report
Fnarf 8
Yawn.

This is one of the most vacuous articles in Stranger history. I had this exact same revelation in ninth grade.

Let me know when she's got a party. All of those reforms you mention were established by parties. Individuals don't matter (except insofar as they work together in parties). Sawant is a nonentity; if she went to Olympia no one would ever even talk to her. Why would they?
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on September 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM · Report
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Goldy you are incorrect, just because there are some government programs doesn't make something socialist. A socialist wants government to control everything, Democrats still believe in a free market. So while some on the left, like yourself may be socialists and embrace it not all Democrats do. Some of us are compassionate capitalists like our awesome President.
Posted by Seattle14 on September 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM · Report
treacle 10
I just look forward to the day we can have honest-to-goodness political debate in this here U.S.of A., where debators are not hurling emotionally-charged epithets at each other, obfuscating the issue at hand, and dumbing down the level of discussion.

I figger we might get there in about 2400 AD.

Unless we live in Judge Dredd's America by then.
Posted by treacle on September 12, 2012 at 3:03 PM · Report
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@7 For a lot of us its not a fear, we just think its a flawed system.
Posted by Seattle14 on September 12, 2012 at 3:06 PM · Report
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And health care reform had nothing to do with balls, the public policy works in this country is we take small incremental steps, just like we did with social security. Maybe take a HS history class again.
Posted by Seattle14 on September 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM · Report
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#6 - MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY! :)
Posted by xina on September 12, 2012 at 3:09 PM · Report
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@6 Yeah. Nothing says "Socialism" like the most talented Monkee.

Of course there is the fact that "Last Train to Clarksville," is a romantic pean to the workers collective that formed railroad unions and built the socialistic AmTrak service. Which incidentally goes to that famous southern workers enclave in Tennessee where the off-to-war hero of the ballad implores his love, the leader of feminist Marxist anti-war group, to meet him for one last chance at love and pamphleting the local non-union mill.
Posted by tkc on September 12, 2012 at 3:10 PM · Report
gloomy gus 15
What @8 said. Not sure why Stranger writers sometimes publish stuff that seems to rest on the belief us readers be morons. (Not that comments from the likes of me are especially persuasive to the contrary.)
Posted by gloomy gus on September 12, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report
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@14 let's not forget the proto-feminist/socialist "Different Drum" either!
Posted by carnivorous chicken on September 12, 2012 at 3:30 PM · Report
DVNODVNO 17
@8. That's all.
Posted by DVNODVNO on September 12, 2012 at 3:56 PM · Report
Will in Seattle 18
Slave-owning American industrialist investors will never be socialists.

You wouldn't know fiscally responsible socialism if it hit you upside the head with an Apple iPhone 5 ...
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM · Report
balderdash 19
For all practical purposes, socialism is the opposite of sociopathy.

BOOM.

And yeah, I mean, DUH, I am already a socialist.

@9, telling other people what they believe is absolutely the single most infantile form of argumentation. Grow up. Moderate socialists - myself included - have absolutely no interest in government control of the vast majority of "everything," as you so helpfully and specifically describe your areas of concern. I mean, shit, did you even read the article? At all? I mean, you realize, just for example, the essential concept of a "minimum wage" entails there being wages in the first place, right?
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on September 12, 2012 at 4:15 PM · Report
Dominic Holden 20
Of course, all change in the Democratic Party happened due to pressure inside its big tent. Never pressure from the outside. Nope.
Posted by Dominic Holden on September 12, 2012 at 4:17 PM · Report
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Publicly owned utilities--like Seattle City Light--make a good deal of sense. Electricity is now just as much of a necessity for modern life as sewers and water, which are even more routinely publicly owned and provided service utilities, and I think the public would benefit from more publicly owned and operated utilities.

And yes, many other government programs might be deemed to be at least arguably socialistic.

But calling for public ownership of manufacturers like Boeing is a bad idea. I get that Goldy is playing a game here--"we're already quite socialistic, so why be scared of the word?"--but the reality is that big chunks of Sawant's platform are wrong-headed for not only practical purposes, but also in principle.
Posted by Functional Atheist on September 12, 2012 at 5:10 PM · Report
Posted by ScruffyBallardMan on September 12, 2012 at 5:53 PM · Report
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@20, fair enough. Pressure is good, and no politician should get a free pass at reelection. But Frank has been a remarkably good Speaker who has done more to advance "socialist" causes than Savant ever has or ever will.
Posted by c'mon girlfriend on September 12, 2012 at 5:55 PM · Report
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 24

Kindle this:

"extremely wealthy individual may purchase a very nice car, or perhaps even several cars. But he or she is not going to purchase 100 or 1000 automobiles. When income is too concentrated, it undermines the mass market."

https://kindle.amazon.com/work/the-light…

The Lights in the Tunnel: Automation, Accelerating Technology and the Economy of the Future

by Martin Ford

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on September 12, 2012 at 5:57 PM · Report
The Wild Sow 25
@ 6 - I came here to say that exact thing!
Posted by The Wild Sow on September 12, 2012 at 6:29 PM · Report
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@12 (Seattle14): A health-care reform that mandates, expands, and subsidizes private for-profit insurance without price controls has nothing in common with Social Security or Medicare, and it's not an incremental step toward universal, cost-effective health care. Maybe take a health-care economics class from someone who hasn't been financially compromised by Big Health. Donald Light, William Hsiu, and David Evans come to mind.

"Small, incremental steps" would have been progressively lowering the age of Medicare eligibility, expanding what it covers, and lowering the out-of-pockets, while broadening and increasing the taxes that support it. Doing that, we would soon cover everyone while spending no more at first, and less in the medium and long term. Under the Affordable Care Act, we're going to be spending >20% of GDP on health care (up from just shy of 18% now) and leaving 30 million completely uninsured* -- the same number that were uninsured when the Clintons proposed their plan two decades ago. Given the Act's complete lack of cost controls, I predict increases in premiums and out-of-pockets and cutbacks in subsidies that will have us right back at the 48.6 million uninsured we have now** in less than two decades.

America's for-profit health-care racket is skimming around $1 trillion a year in excess costs, compared to per-capita costs in the most expensive of our peer countries. Obamacare's goal was to protect and expand the skim. You don't seriously believe that Max Baucus took in over $3 million in declared contributions from the for-profit health sector to look after your interests, do you?

*Per the CBO's latest projections.

**Per the latest Census Report.
Posted by PCM on September 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM · Report
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Correction to @26 (PCM): That's William Hsiao, not Hsiu. Sorry. At the end of a long, tedious day, I sometimes get my Hsiaos mixed up with my Hsius.
Posted by PCM on September 12, 2012 at 7:38 PM · Report
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Without the motivation of obscene profits there would be no FaceBook. No iPhone. No rap music.

Hey I could dig this socialism thing.
Posted by David in Shoreline on September 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM · Report
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@6: You beat me to it! Good question.
Posted by auntie grizelda on September 12, 2012 at 8:49 PM · Report
Catalina Vel-DuRay 30
Interesting tidbit: City Light only obtained the monopoly on electric power in Seattle and the surrounding suburbs in 1951, and only by the narrowest of margins in a public vote - and only then after an automatic recount. PSE had for years conducted a well financed propaganda campaign about how City Light and the PUD's were creeping Socialism, and many people bought it.

Snohomish actually took the plunge before we did. They separated from PSE in the late 40's.

If I'm not mistaken, Thurston County will vote in November to form their own PUD and cast aside the shackles of their Capitalistic foreign-owned energy provider. I doubt they'll have the courage or foresight to do that, especially as PSE has dusted off their old "the Socialists are coming to get you" argument, and it seems to be working.

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on September 12, 2012 at 9:05 PM · Report
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If I were in the 43rd LD, I would vote for Sawant.

Coincidentally, the person in the illustration looks strikingly similar to a former close friend of mine (we are enemies now).
Posted by Interesting (or not) Coincidence on September 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM · Report
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@31 Why do you hate Michael Nesmith?
Posted by carnivorous chicken on September 13, 2012 at 12:17 AM · Report
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The article does a grave disservice to the general public by not pointing out how hypocritical Chopp is in claiming to support the same things Sawant does. Chopp was the architect of the infamous $3.2 *BILLION* tax break to Boeing on a promise to create about 1,000 jobs in Washington state. That's over $3 *MILLION* in tax breaks per job, and Boeing could have easily afforded to do without the break - they (their CEOs/CFOs/etc, that is) are just greedy, and know they can get away with "demanding" things from politicians like Chopp who bend over backward for them. Washington's tax structure was one of the most regressive in the country well before Eyman worked his "magic", and for years the Democrats did nothing to change that when they easily could have. Also, Eyman's 2-3rds initiative does allow for tax increases via the initiative process, and the Democrats could get one passed if they'd bother to SERIOUSLY campaign for it. I still remember their sell-out of I-1098, the income tax on high-income earners: a labor-bureaucracy flyer listing their endorsements for that election didn't even mention I-1098, for fear that it would embarrass their "friends" in Olympia, the Democrats. For Chopp to claim he's "for" such-and-such a program when he either won't lift a finger to bring it about or actively works against it is pure two-faced bullshit. He can act as jovial as he wants, but he needs to be exposed for the servant of the rich that he is.
Posted by DanD on September 13, 2012 at 12:40 AM · Report
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@32

Oh no, don't worry, I don't have anything against Michael Nesmith. I didn't even catch the resemblance. I just used to have a friend who looked like him I guess.
Posted by In Reply on September 13, 2012 at 3:24 AM · Report
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@32 Haha, don't worry, I don't have anything against Michael Nesmith. I didn't even notice the resemblance. I just had a friend who looked like him it seems.
Posted by Interesting (or not) Coincidence on September 13, 2012 at 3:26 AM · Report
Matt from Denver 36
@ 15, indeed.
Posted by Matt from Denver on September 13, 2012 at 8:20 AM · Report
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"Privatize the profits, socialize the risk."

AAANNNnnnhhhhh!!

You erred, Goldstein, it's "privatize the profits, socialize the debt ! ! ! ***

("Risk" is far too nebulous, my son!)

You're equating corporate super-welfare with socialism; socialism is considerably higher on the evolutionary, ethical and intelligence scale.

Your mention of the Ex-Im Bank and the Small Business Administration are historically highly relevant, since they have both been severely compromised to benefit the super-rich and their multinationals.

When Eisenhower appointed Nelson Rockefeller to several positions in his administration, Rockefeller enacted radical changes to specific government agencies, quasi-government organizations and foreign aid programs to benefit the multinationals.

The Ex-Im Bank was originally managed by four senior executives and Nelson Rockefeller altered that to ONLY one CEO, destroying the checks-and-balances and allowing for easier control by the multinationals and Wall Street, which used the Ex-Im Bank and foreign aid programs to build all those foreign factories and production facilities they then offshored all those American jobs to, and created new ones at!

Fast forward to the present: missing $8.7 billion in Iraq, and over $17 billion in Afghanisan, and observe the involvement of the Ex-Im Bank!

The Small Business Administration (SBA): witness the congressional legislation passed several years ago, giving loan preference to those businesses which have already received investment from private equity firms and hedge funds --- small business indeed!!!!

Overall, though, it was a well-written article and Ms. Sawant should receive our full support and votes!

***During 2007 to 2009, US households lost an estimated $17 trillion in savings, assets and value. During that same period $17 trillion was pumped out to corporations, banks and private banks throughout the planet by the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury ($16.1 trillion from the Fed/$.9 trillion from the TARP bailout funds and the affiliated management fees to BlackRock, Morgan Stanley, Bank of New York Mellon, et al., from the US Treasury).

When the Federal Reserve does that QEI, II plus (Quantitative Easing), they are socializing the debt by buying up the banks' toxic assets -- junk paper -- and allowing them to create newer junk paper; future toxic assets.

This, in turn, allows the banksters to do proprietary trading, that is, ultra-leveraging of the stock market, with Goldman Sachs leading the way with its ultra-high-frequency-trading --- it's all a mirage, charade or hologram, folks!
More...
Posted by sgt_doom on September 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM · Report
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@26 & @33, outstandingly brilliant comments, good citizens!!!
Posted by sgt_doom on September 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM · Report
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@34 Phew, that's a relief. I guess you saw his face, and was a believer.
Posted by carnivorous chicken on September 13, 2012 at 11:44 AM · Report
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***Were a believer. Brain fart there.
Posted by carnivorous chicken on September 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM · Report
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The glorious march of City Light moves on for the workers! I mean, certainly not families since its own audit from last year said it was, in the words of the Seattle Times "quite inefficient."
http://seattletimes.com/text/2016927802.…

But the workers are doing great. Well, not if they pay for electricity and City Light's constant rate increases. But otherwise, yes.

Onward Socialism, where it's not the results that count, it's how you feel about them.
Posted by ForTheWorker on September 13, 2012 at 12:36 PM · Report
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You went back far in the article. But you can go back further, and wider afield than just 20th century Puget Sound. In the 19th Century, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints implemented a system of "isolated Christian socialism." This would have been in the Great Basin region. And not just "socialism", but other forms of economic innovation which gave us not just the first department store (I think it was called "ZCMI"), but other antecedents to the New Deal. Mormons helped craft President Franklin Roosevelt's economic program, including Marriner Eccles. Historian Ken Verdoia mentions "isolated Christian socialism" in the Frontline/American Experience series "The Mormons" in his commentary on "The Great Accommodation" of the Mormons to the American mainstream beginning in 1890. Today's LDS Mormons would say they're no longer polygamous nor racist. But in 1966, Elder Marion G. Romney characterized the LDS political-economic experience as something like "not that" socialist, using a 1951 definition of the term. So today's typical LDS church member would claim that their ancestors were never, ever socialist. This deserves more study.
Posted by Julian in Seattle on September 13, 2012 at 12:41 PM · Report
SAW 43
This is somewhat off topic, but appropriate:

Why hasn't there been a public outcry about ending MetroTransit's downtown Free Zone?

It's unbelievably stupid!

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/end-o…
Posted by SAW on September 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM · Report
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@6 and 14...I thought for sure I was the only one who noticed that.
Posted by tacomagirl on September 13, 2012 at 2:34 PM · Report
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yes, Democrats should embrace the Sociaist tag, then start talking class warfare, concentration of wealth.

Maybve we should start an Unterrified Democrats Caucus to do it?
Posted by Kingfish fan on September 13, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report
Occupy Seattle 46
Goldy, you're slipping downhill. Get a grip and take your meds. There IS a difference between Democrats and socialists. The whole Affordable Healthcare Act, which the Tea Party hates so much, is in fact democracy at work. Not socialism at work. Individual mandate means you have to pay into the system, but you don't get rejected either. That is actually closer to capitalism (good capitalism) than either party wants to admit. And what about unions? Democrats are trying to navigate between unions and businesses. If we were socialists, everyone would be unionized. I hate cheap shot assholes like you that pass for journalists and just fall into the Republican talking points.
Posted by Occupy Seattle on September 13, 2012 at 6:32 PM · Report
stoompy 47
Funny how much a label means.
Posted by stoompy http://www.efukt.com/ on September 13, 2012 at 6:49 PM · Report
Catalina Vel-DuRay 48
Troll dear, if you are unhappy with City Light's rates, move to Tacoma. They're the only other major US utility that's cheaper (but since City Light and Tacoma tend to trade off that distinction, it might be best to rent month-to-month)
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on September 13, 2012 at 7:41 PM · Report
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43 no its not its a smart move
Posted by Seattle14 on September 13, 2012 at 9:09 PM · Report
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@11
which one is more flawed, system that has China for example, or the US with a trillion dollar deficit?
while you can't or don't want to let go of your ideology-which is a turbo capitalism,
and a panic of anything "socialistic" that you could incorporate into your system to make it better, your economy is....what? desintegrating?
the time of colonies is gone, there are no new continents to discover, or exploit, ...you are all on your own, and the time is ticking-
what I meant is the debt is getting bigger
Posted by Ada on September 14, 2012 at 4:10 AM · Report
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Elect this clown and Seattle effectively steals the title of "Museum Of Failed Ideologies" from San Francisco.
Posted by Pelosi Facelift on September 14, 2012 at 7:08 AM · Report
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Elect this clown and Seattle effectively steals the title from San Francisco as the "Museaum Of Failed Ideologies."
Posted by Pelosi Facelift on September 14, 2012 at 7:12 AM · Report
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You forgot to mention the MILITARY. America has the worlds largest military and thus the worlds largest socialist organization.
Posted by redcoyote on September 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM · Report
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TKC, "Last Train to Clarksville" is about a soldier about to leave for war, not railroad workers. However, I also fail to see the connection between Nez and this article.
Posted by aryldarkly on September 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM · Report
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@54 (aryldarkly): The guy in the illustration looks a lot like Michael Nesmith back when he was with the Monkees:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com…

Michael Nesmith executive-produced Repo Man (1984) and will always have a special place in my heart on that account.
Posted by PCM on September 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM · Report
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The week was so barren of news that the Stranger decided to run the term paper from Goldy's junior year Civics class? Real cutting edge stuff here.
Posted by Hutch on September 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM · Report
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Goldy, Hopefully, before you draw your last breath you will decide if you want to actually do something to make life better for others or just be an irrelevant, uninformed, inconsistent, lazy-minded jerk with a high school megaphone.

Because of Chopp, thousands of people have housing, health care, opportunity grants, human rights, a union, and thousands of other large and small improvements - each won by cooperating with others, which governing requires that you do.

What will you leave behind but a constant trail of cynicism and undeserved self congratulations?
Posted by Elaine on September 15, 2012 at 6:10 PM · Report
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The part about "privatize the profits" socialize the risk is the Republican mantra, yet if you want to socialize the profits so that a broader swath of people (see rank and file workers in a company) well, that's just pinko communism.

It's such a laughable hypocrisy, yet it's been allowed to propagate rampantly. We have such ridiculously high discrepancies between the suits and the actual workers of a company that it's no wonder the middle class is becoming a relic of the past.

Barack Obama gets this. Mitt Romney also gets this, but is hoping he can, with the help of the suits, buy enough votes and produce enough spin to get working folks to vote against their interests.

Let's hope that he doesn't succeed in his efforts.
Posted by JasonInSammamish on September 16, 2012 at 5:24 AM · Report
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@55: Thanks for sharing! I agree with you on Michael Nesmith's "Repo Man" comment. Does he still have his band, Area Code 605?
Actually, Mr. Nesmith could still make a lot more movies if he wanted to. His mother invented and patented "Wite-Out" for Liquid Paper.
Posted by auntie grizelda on September 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM · Report
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If Seattle City Light is a triumph of anything it's of nightmares. I cannot even begin to name the bill discrepancies (when they send them at all!) and disdainful employees I've had to deal with over the past four years.
Posted by Zztop on September 17, 2012 at 6:37 AM · Report
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LOL @ 6, 13, etc...that was the FIRST thing I thought when I saw that illustration. Mr. Nesmith is currently living near San Francisco, and is planning a reunion tour with the remaining Monkees, including a big one coming up in London next month, I believe. I don't think he still has his band, Area Code 605, but he's been working on a solo album. He is one strange dude. He has avoided Monkee reunions for some time, and now that Davy is gone, he's agreeing? Did he have issues with the Monkee who shared his birthday? (too much alike, perhaps, yet opposed?)
Posted by cattycat on September 17, 2012 at 4:43 PM · Report
Mocknbird2 62
Good quote @24! So true. We all hurt (except the one's on top who never hurt)when the middle class has all but collapsed.
Posted by Mocknbird2 on September 19, 2012 at 3:49 AM · Report
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@60 zztop: Yeah--Seattle City LIght really is bad news. 42 years ago, they ALSO thought it would be a great idea to slap down a bunch of nuclear reactors everywhere in Western Washington because their own privately hired "panel of experts" said so. If Seattle City Light had gotten their way back then instead of facing overwhelming public outcry, we could be like Japan now.

@61 cattycat: Thanks for the update on Michael Nesmith. I'd forgotten that he and the late Davy Jones had the same birthday. I don't know---after avoiding Monkee reunions for so long, maybe Nesmith is finding peace?
Posted by auntie grizelda on September 20, 2012 at 10:37 AM · Report
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@9: Sorry, you're incorrect. Hello, I'm a socialist. I don't want government controlling everything. Actually I'm what you might call a libertarian socialist or 'anarchist' a word which is difficult to use in the original sense now that it is only associated with punk music and smashing windows. I'm not a huge fan of government but I don't understand why so many Americans are afraid of state control of resources but have no fear of corporate control of resources. It's a myth that private enterprise is more efficient than state funded enterprise. (See NASA, French healthcare, or the BBC). The problem seems to be that a large proportion of the American electorate has never even stopped to consider the real central axiom of the American dream. 'It is your right to acquire as much wealth as you can.' That could maybe be a moral proposition on a planet of infinite resources however we don't live on such a planet. The wealth that people claim to 'own' originates in raw materials, energy and food that needs to be shared with humanity. The idea that an average American who never will be a billionaire is so blinded that they vote in the interest of the billionaire rather than with the compassion that would turn the billionaire into a multimillionaire and feed the worlds poor, that to me is an astounding testimony to the power of corporate media. The fear of the 'socialist' seems to come from a fear that they are people who don't work as hard as you and who want to take your money. Sorry to tell you but there are many socialists who make more money than you and who if we chose to embrace capitalism would probably do just fine. I'm not struggling for cash, I don't need more welfare for myself. That's the point, socialism is an altruistic system. If my kid gets sick just after I've been laid off work, my neighbors have it covered. If my neighbors husband dies, we'll cover her child care while she's at work. No problem. None of us gets to have a private jet, but we can all afford to fly on a public jet on a nice summer vacation. I'm a socialist and that's what socialism is to me.
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Posted by meu06184 on September 21, 2012 at 2:51 AM · Report
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Hello, I'm a socialist. I don't want government controlling everything. Actually I'm what you might call a libertarian socialist or 'anarchist' a word which is difficult to use in the original sense now that it is only associated with punk music and smashing windows. I'm not a huge fan of government but I don't understand why so many Americans are afraid of state control of resources but have no fear of corporate control of resources. It's a myth that private enterprise is more efficient than state funded enterprise. (See NASA, French healthcare, or the BBC). The problem seems to be that a large proportion of the American electorate has never even stopped to consider the real central axiom of the American dream. 'It is your right to acquire as much wealth as you can.' That could maybe be a moral proposition on a planet of infinite resources however we don't live on such a planet. The wealth that people claim to 'own' originates in raw materials, energy and food that needs to be shared with humanity. The idea that an average American who never will be a billionaire is so blinded that they vote in the interest of the billionaire rather than with the compassion that would turn the billionaire into a multimillionaire and feed the worlds poor, that to me is an astounding testimony to the power of corporate media. The fear of the 'socialist' seems to come from a fear that they are people who don't work as hard as you and who want to take your money. Sorry to tell you but there are many socialists who make more money than you and who if we chose to embrace capitalism would probably do just fine. I'm not struggling for cash, I don't need more welfare for myself. That's the point, socialism is an altruistic system. If my kid gets sick just after I've been laid off work, my neighbors have it covered. If my neighbors husband dies, we'll cover her child care while she's at work. No problem. None of us gets to have a private jet, but we can all afford to fly on a public jet on a nice summer vacation. I'm a socialist and that's what socialism is to me.
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Posted by meu06184 on September 21, 2012 at 2:59 AM · Report
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I have another dumb question: does anybody know why a Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper like The Seattle Times, that USUALLY has its shit together, enthusiastically endorses Rob McKenna, NOT Jay Inslee, for Governor of Washington State?
McKenna is openly opposed to women's health issues--news flash!! HE'S not a woman!! What does he care??
McKenna has been proven not to know shit about basic math. How on Earth does this sudden;y make him a better choice for the economy of Washington State??
Posted by auntie grizelda on September 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM · Report

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