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Grab Your Ballot! Save Bus Service! Deadline Is Today!

Vote Yes on Proposition 1 and Tell the Right-Wing Assholes to Go Fuck Themselves

Grab Your Ballot! Save Bus Service! Deadline Is Today!

Levi Hastings

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Hey, Seattle: Republicans are itching to screw you. And unless enough of you vote yes on Proposition 1—your ballot is being mailed this week—they will screw you.

They've engineered a multiyear strategy to starve mass transit in Washington State, running an initiative to nix taxes that paid for transit (car-tab fees based on the value of vehicles) and then blocking legislation that lets counties easily restore that transit funding themselves. Their goal: stop buses from running.

What the hell is their damage?

For one thing, Republicans are ideologically allergic to anything that isn't powered by old dinosaur bones. Even more, these right-wingers mostly come from rural parts of the state, and Democrats tend to live in cities, so gutting transit in cities is a good way of fucking over Democrats. But as we emerge from the recession, cutting transit would kneecap our transportation system and stunt economic recovery in cities—the state's biggest economic engines.

The cuts have gone deep the last few years, specifically in two of the state's more densely populated counties: Snohomish County was recently forced to cut 35 percent of its bus service, and Pierce County was forced to slash 43 percent of its bus service. King County has narrowly avoided these problems so far with a patchwork of stopgap funding.

But we are next.

Through no fault of its own, King County Metro will soon be short $75 million a year and face brutal cuts in bus service by the end of 2014 (even though King County currently sends more money to the rest of the state than it gets in return). In the process, Metro will also have to scotch transit service for many disabled people.

We cannot let these cuts happen.

But it gets even worse: We're having this election in goddamn April, when nobody expects a ballot to arrive in the mail. Since youngs, poors, Democrats, and people of color tend not to vote in off-year and special elections like this one, conservative voters tend to get their way. And if that happens on April 22, bus service in King County will be slashed, poor people and young people will be hurt, and—we read this somewhere, swear to God—it will be legal to serve toddler-liver foie gras in local restaurants.

The only solution? Grab that ballot before April 22 and vote yes on Prop 1. Here's why:

Losing This Much Bus Service Would Be Devastating

Do you ever ride the 26, 28, or 30 from Ballard, Fremont, or North Seattle to downtown? Well, you can kiss those bus lines good-bye if we don't pass Prop 1. The 21, 22, 37, and 57 for West Seattleites? Totally gone. The 66 and 67 from Northgate to UW to downtown? Buh-bye. In fact, Metro will entirely delete 74 bus routes and reduce service to more than 100 others if this doesn't pass. Some of the changes will be small, but even those will affect quality of life—many popular routes would stop running at least an hour earlier every night, making it difficult or impossible to bus home from a night out or a late shift.

All together, the cuts add up to 600,000 fewer service hours a year, affecting 80 percent of bus riders—and fully 100 percent of road users, since an estimated 30,000 more cars will head back onto the already totally jammed roadways. Sorry 'bout that carbon, Earth!

Disabled people would be particularly harmed. Federal law requires that everywhere the county operates buses, it must also provide transit for disabled people (Metro uses those Access vans you see driving around). By slashing bus funding and service, we also eliminate service for disabled people—who use the Access vans to go to doctor's appointments and basic errands—in those same areas and service hours where buses are cut. Unacceptable.

Prop 1 Is Our Best Solution

Prop 1 would raise sales taxes by 0.1 percent and require vehicle owners to pay a $60 annual fee for car tabs, which is $20 more than what we pay now. (Low-income car-owners would get a $20 rebate.) Sixty percent of the revenue would go to save Metro service long-term, while the other 40 percent would go to cities and the county for road maintenance, since roadwork was also impacted by the recession (and what do you think buses drive on?).

This isn't a perfect solution, we admit.

We've said it a thousand times, and we'll say it again: Regressive taxes that fall harder on the poor than the rich suck. They're evil. And this proposition's sales tax and flat car-tab fees are just the kind of regressive shit we're totally against. Except: Cutting that bus service will hurt vulnerable populations much more than the tax increase. Old, young, disabled, and lower-income people are the most impacted by transit cuts, which would leave many stranded at home and cut off from job opportunities.

We also have no other choice. King County has begged Olympia for the right to tax ourselves more fairly, via a motor vehicle excise tax (MVET) on the value of people's vehicles—so we could tax a millionaire's sports car more than a beat-up old Toyota Corolla. But Republicans won't budge, and the Democrats don't have the wherewithal to steamroll them. A Tim Eyman initiative in 1999 slashed our statewide MVET, and, when the court struck down that initiative, the legislature killed the MVET anyway. Faced with this situation in Olympia, the King County Council hastily voted to put Prop 1 on the April ballot as a last resort for saving bus service.

Cities Need a Functional Mass Transit System to Thrive

For a city to really be a city, you need to be able to sleep, work, and spend money in any part of it—and travel from place to place. If you can't get around, you essentially live in silos. But getting around is only going to grow more difficult.

The population of our region (defined by King, Kitsap, Pierce, and Snohomish counties) is forecast to rise by 32 percent by 2040 (an additional 1.2 million people), according to the Puget Sound Regional Council. We can't build more roads in Seattle, the epicenter of this growth. We have to build more transit to reduce congestion. And if we don't—especially if we lose the transit we already have—roads will be more clogged and people won't be able to get around. This is terrible for an economy that relies on consumers shopping and employees getting to their jobs.

A well-connected city serves everyone: drivers, business owners, and shoppers alike—even folks who never step on a bus.

The Opposition Is Lying

The SECB invited opponents of Prop 1 to our endorsement meeting—we even loaded the bong and laid out cupcakes for them!!—but they didn't show. We e-mailed them at their official address (TruthInTaxation@aol.com) but never heard back. So we did some bong hits, munched on the cupcakes, fired up our laptops to do some research, and figured out that these "truth in taxation" nutjobs are full of shit. In their voters guide statement, they claim Prop 1 increases car-tab fees by 1,500 percent. It's actually a 50 percent increase (from the $40 we pay now to $60). We can do that math even though we're stoned. The critics then claim Metro suffers from "excessive operating costs." Also crap. Not only has Metro cut expenses (by about $130 million annually, according to county council chair Larry Phillips), its cost-cutting efforts convinced the state legislature in 2011 to allow King County to run a temporary two-year tax to save Metro. But now that temporary patch has run out. Folks also shouldn't be fooled by the Seattle Times, which ran an article on March 19 that presented Eastside Transportation Association as a powerful opposition force. They're actually a fringe pro-highway group, while the backers of Prop 1 are credible and multitudinous. Practically every elected official in King County and every major political organization has endorsed Prop 1. We endorse it, too. Vote yes! recommended

The Stranger Election Control Board is Bethany Jean Clement, Paul Constant, Christopher Frizzelle, Jen Graves, Ansel Herz, Dominic Holden, Tim Keck, Anna Minard, Eli Sanders, Dan Savage, and George Takei.

 

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George Takei? What?
Posted by aaronbrethorst http://www.viainstapaper.com on April 2, 2014 at 10:26 AM · Report this
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Is there anything doesn't just keep increasing in costs? Over and over, we raise the funding for things as it costs more to operate them. Sadly decreasing tax-revenue for programs does not make them more lean-and-mean, like a business would, instead the affected services are cut.

I know something that doesn't increase every year. Our wages. But everything else does.
Posted by BoulderDrop on April 2, 2014 at 11:02 AM · Report this
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@2 labor and fuel costs always outpace inflation as a whole... and those two items make up most of Metro's budget.

They've managed to cut 160 millon/year from the budget over the past few years by doing computer optimizations on scheduling, stop-diets on crouded, slow moving routes, and general staffing cuts. But on-time reliabilty has gotten terrible - cutting resources in the face of ever increasing ridership doesn't go well.
Posted by Lack Thereof on April 2, 2014 at 12:50 PM · Report this
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"Since youngs, poors, Democrats, and people of color tend not to vote in off-year and special elections like this one, conservative voters tend to get their way."

Then maybe they should get off their lazy arses (e.g. walk to the friggin mail box) and actually take the 3 minutes required to fill out a ballot and put it back in the mail. I mean, I thought the whole mail-in ballot thing was supposed to help re-enfranchise the lazy and incontinent Democratic voter. Apparently we now have to offer ballot measures at a time of year that has maximum convenience for those who can't be bothered to vote.

For the record, I support public transportation. I also support the idea that the folks who use public transit should bear the lions share of the cost, which they currently do NOT.
Posted by Yazza on April 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM · Report this
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@2, @3 Read up Baumol's Cost Disease for why Metro's labor costs outpace inflation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol%27s_…. It takes the same number of drivers and mechanics today as before. When you combine this with higher than historical fuel prices and higher health care costs (the Baumol phenomenon is also very relevant there), the price of services like transit is going to rise faster than inflation.
Posted by decidedlyodd on April 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM · Report this
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It's far beyond time to cut the rubes east of the Cascades loose.
Posted by Oh When on April 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM · Report this
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You shouldn't need to vote on something to tell right wing assholes to go fuck themselves, just do it! Honestly, I've done it a few times in my life and it felt great!
Posted by diz on April 2, 2014 at 7:04 PM · Report this
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Voting yes on Prop 1 is a tacit approval for metro to come back every 1 - 3 years asking for another taxpayer funded financial bailout.
Posted by mrmuff on April 2, 2014 at 7:59 PM · Report this
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Why not just raise bus fares instead of taxing everyone? It's a simple question that never seems to get aanswered.
Posted by say no to tax increases on April 2, 2014 at 8:03 PM · Report this
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Opponents of this need to realize that more than 20 percent of our cities population uses mass transit daily, and what's more this figure is rising.

Our population in King County is set to add 1.2 million by 2040. We can't build more roads in this area since there is nowhere else to build them, and everyone already knows how bad traffic is in King County already, so adding more cars isn't going to help either.

It's not a perfect solution, but keeping or even adding to our mass transit options is our only survival if we are to remain a viable city.
Posted by Terminology Breakdown on April 2, 2014 at 10:10 PM · Report this
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Where the fuck is all my money going!? Why won't they raise the cost of a ticket, or charge for distance like in so many other countries? A ride from Edmonds to Seattle doesn't cost the same as a ride from University to Wall.
I will vote yes, but this is killing me. Why the fuck do I have to subsidize everything? Where the hell is the money from street parking, buses, car tabs and gas tax (not to mention the bullshit that is the emissions game) going!?
Posted by DReichel on April 2, 2014 at 11:25 PM · Report this
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Maybe people whining about how expensive car taxes are should either quit being whiny babies about it or sell their cars and not pay it. Nobody forces you to have a car, you know. It's a LUXURY. It's a want, not a need.
Posted by mairoa on April 3, 2014 at 6:49 AM · Report this
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@12

you are a fucking idiot.

Calling you clueless would be a compliment.
Posted by cant stand the fools here on April 3, 2014 at 6:53 AM · Report this
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How about contracting out the operation of the bus agencies, especially Metro, as is done in much of the rest of the world? That socialist country known as Sweden has contracted out most if not all of their transit operations and have seen costs decline and services increase. Many other nations have done the same.

If that doesn't work just open the market to anyone who wants to run a transit system and let them see what innovations they can produce and at what costs.
Posted by sludge puppy on April 3, 2014 at 7:59 AM · Report this
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“I am a Seattle-area government head, of the 'Tax the Poor' party.

“I always will strive for more sales taxes and car tab taxes, as those taxes target most heavily minorities, young households of modest means, the underemployed, and the disabled. My party in Washington won the race to the bottom of the states on that score ( http://www.itep.org/whopays/ ). Now we must put space between us and the rest of the states.”
Posted by K. Lambert on April 3, 2014 at 9:26 AM · Report this
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Grab your ballot and vote NO. Send a message to the fucking democrats in Olympia to stop handing local governments sales tax and car tab tax powers. They have given us the worst taxing structure in the country. Contrary to what this editorial board is spewing here, it was democrats that handed this extra sales tax and car tab tax imposition power to the county, and they did it in 2005 when they were in complete control in Olympia.
Posted by Not Stupid on April 3, 2014 at 9:41 AM · Report this
Scott Foster 17
Hey, check this out! I'm not a republican!!! I'm going to vote "no". Tax gas instead. Or base vehicle licensing fees on vehicle weight and value. Car tab fees? The two of my bikes get the same "car tab fees" as two Lincoln Navigators. Throw in my ancient toyota and I'm paying three times as much "car tab fees" as someone who drives one Navigator around all day every day. Since there is enough money going around to rebuild the 520 bridge and dig a deep bore tunnel, I don't buy into the machine that promotes more regressive fees.
Posted by Scott Foster on April 3, 2014 at 9:48 AM · Report this
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If you're thinking about voting no just because you don't feel like paying an extra $20, why don't you try to be less selfish? Vote yes and consider the extra $20 as a charitable contribution to those who rely exclusively on the bus and can't drive (i.e. the blind, the disabled, and those unable to afford cars). If you choose to continue caring only about yourself, enjoy complaining about increased car and bike traffic.
Posted by underwater on April 3, 2014 at 11:56 AM · Report this
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They've chosen to enact the increase in car tabs and sales tax because these are the things that they have the legal power to increase. They're not ideal but with the state refusing to step in and solve the issue and sales tax receipts still too low to cover costs, this is what we've got.

And I'd agree with @underwater that @Scott_Foster is being very selfish. What may I ask is that $20 compared to the annual operating cost of your THREE VEHICLES?
Posted by housepage on April 3, 2014 at 12:11 PM · Report this
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@18 -- No, dumbfuck: I'm voting no because the democrats have hiked sales taxes and car tab taxes for transit 10 times in the past 20 years. The democrats are in the pocket of rich corporations here that want the poor and middle-income families here taxed even more heavily than they are now, and here it's the worst in the nation. Get out of your self-absorbed bubble and look at how progressive taxing at moderate levels for transit is the norm, and recognize the aberrant nature of what the democrats here created. Bus and train service providers here tax much more heavily than all their peers, and they use the wrong kinds of taxes to do it. Disagree? Try proving anything I've posted here is incorrect.
Posted by thnb23bb6! on April 3, 2014 at 12:18 PM · Report this
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I'm a liberal and I'm voting NO on Prop 1. Enough is enough. The powers that be think they can keep putting the cost of their supposedly high tech metropolis on the backs of the lower classes. I realize a NO vote is going to hurt us but if we keep voting yes they're going to keep coming back to get us to pay more and more for things they can't get the rich to pitch in for.
We've got mega corporations right here in our midst who are sitting atop skyscrapers full of money. They're using our city's resources but instead of spending more to help, they're investing in space tourism, drones and mini submarines. PLEASE!!
Posted by gspecial on April 3, 2014 at 2:57 PM · Report this
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What we think of as the American dream era, generally the 50's & 60's (which fueled the rise of Silicon Valley in the 70's & 80's), was made possible by high taxes on the very wealthy. These high taxes fueled industrial growth and helped keep wages up at a rate that allowed single earner families to own homes and new cars and pay them off early. In the 50's & 60's millionaires paid 70% to 91% in income taxes. Large corporations and wealthy Americans were able to pay this rate and still prosper. All through the 70's the rate was 70%. In the late 80's it dropped to 28% and in the 90's and 00's it has leveled at 35%. So our great transit systems were built with tax money from the upper margins not from the average lower and middle earners. Transit systems would never have been built if it hadn't been for high taxes on the very wealthy. I'm not saying the rate should be 90% but that's what built this great nation that right wingers keep blabbering about. If they want to keep it great they know what they have to do. But they won't do it unless they're made to. There's no way a good transit system can be sustained by a 1% sales tax and a $60 tab fee. It will keep getting worse until we're all riding to work in shopping carts pushed by our homeless uncles.
Posted by gspecial on April 3, 2014 at 3:34 PM · Report this
Nick CapHill 23
I have a fondness for King County Metro. I grew up on those things and remember when I started taking the bus how magical it was to be able to go anywhere in Seattle. Now, for so many people, it is an affordable and necessary transportation around our area.

My critique on The Stranger article is they try to pit the whole left and right-wing falsehood as if it is as simple as that. For those of us that LIKE public transportation, we need to address a whole slew of issues with metro. Expense and waste, ridership number, cost maintenance, etc. There is much wrong.

Reading this article, one would think it is as simple as "Lefties love the poor, Righties hate the poor and love money more." This is so blind to the problem it is actually damaging to figuring out what the solution actually is.

It is more of an issue of wanting to fix a broken wasteful system, and how best to accomplish this goal. Increasing revenue for something that is broken is still supporting a broken system.

That said, my younger brain will force me to vote YES on Prop 1. That does not mean I like it though.
Posted by Nick CapHill http://thestranger.com on April 3, 2014 at 4:24 PM · Report this
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Metro projected doom and gloom ridership forecasts and threatened bus cuts to the UW in 2010, which helped to dupe the two student government bodies (grad, undergrad) at the UW in 2010 to force "transportation fees" of $75 a quarter. These were introduced without any meaningful comment from the UW bureaucracy and screwed students who walked or biked to campus, which is most of us. Turns out the forecasts were off, and deeply indebted undergrad and grad students were out $225 for 2011-12 to subsidize all the other riders in King County. Right now, I have no faith in Metro, and bundling this with a tax to pay for roads just has a stink factor to high for me. Metro needs to come clean when it forecasts the sky is falling, and they haven't since that time for me.
Posted by Civil Discourse on April 3, 2014 at 8:03 PM · Report this
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17, 21, 22. Why don't we just put a tax on unicorns? Or get funding for transit out of wishes? That would make me happier too.
Posted by Keith Kyle on April 3, 2014 at 9:57 PM · Report this
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You're number are false. 30k more cars daily? translate that into bus fares and you're talking (at a massively reduced rate assuming many are low income) over 20 million per year in revenue.

So you're saying they're cutting $20mil a year in revenue?

Why don't you just say how must the routes cost vs. how much they generate? At some point bus routes / stops don't make sense (for fuck's sake there's a stop on almost every BLOCK on 15th ave E) and need to be restructured.

I stopped reading after that ... no point in wasting my time if you're going to write lies or just be so flagrantly incompetent.
Posted by plasmicmike on April 3, 2014 at 10:11 PM · Report this
Steven Bradford 27
Why do I have to pay for all that highway construction and maintenance (Especially keeping those roads cleared for rugged individualists in the winter) when I never use those roads? (For that matter I barely drive my old jalopy as it is, seems like I'm over paying for roads in general).

When are we going to get smart and stop paying their way. They can raise their own taxes to pay for all their infrastructure if that's the way the rural areas want to play it.
Posted by Steven Bradford http://www.seanet.com/~bradford/ on April 4, 2014 at 11:25 AM · Report this
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The state's tax structure is broken and getting worse. By which I mean more regressive. Not voting yes on this or any of the other measures that reinforce this downward trend no matter how painful the near term results.

Posted by Roses on April 4, 2014 at 11:29 AM · Report this
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If you live in Seattle and you vote against this, GTFO of the city because you're not pulling your weight.
Posted by Jizzlobber on April 4, 2014 at 11:31 AM · Report this
McJulie 30
You guys claiming to be "liberal" but voting no all sound like sock puppets for Tim Eyman. I hope he's paying you well.
Posted by McJulie on April 4, 2014 at 11:36 AM · Report this
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21: You're a sucker then. Seriously. I think the fact that this shit is up for a vote is utterly ridiculous--it's a basic service that should be guaranteed. It's the unfortunate consequence of being too much under the thumb of the county and regressive state. It sucks, big time. But your little "working class" (I have to wonder if you really are) stance isn't going to help the working class at all. It's going to hurt them, and everyone else making less than 40k a year. So, by all means, make your last stand. But don't delude yourself with the silly notion that you're making some valid political statement.
Posted by Jizzlobber on April 4, 2014 at 11:37 AM · Report this
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If we were serious about well-planned density the Seattle Council's "density overlays" would have been made in tandem with transportation realities, not just New Urbanist utopia. Instead we have crap design, overscale buildings with no tax benefits and full on negative consequences for neighborhoods shoved down our throats.

Why don't APODments have mandatory bicycle storage for lord's sake? Why do they allow an RPZ Bring Your Car invitation for every single renter, with ZERO parking mandated from the developer. I mean, c'mon.

Know why I'm not voting for Metro? Because of cramming density down our throats without working with our neighborhoods. I want cheap-ass out to make a buck developers to bite it in the butt when a lack of Metro service coupled with a lack of onstreet parking means their building doesn't get high rent. Starve Metro and send a middle finger up to Seattle Urbanists who won't work with existing neighborhoods.
Posted by Crammed Full on April 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM · Report this
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30: Yeah, either Eyman sock puppets, or deluded center-right democrats who call themselves liberal because they believe in civil liberties.
Posted by Jizzlobber on April 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM · Report this
McJulie 34
Yup, sock puppets. You all joined up yesterday just to comment on this article.
Posted by McJulie on April 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM · Report this
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Playing the "do it for the disabled" card? Never been a worry for the SECB before. Must be dire potential for a Prop 1 Fail.

Carpool. Get a bike. Move closer to work. Change jobs. No need to shut down the club - catch a midnight bus home.

Fewer Metro stops on the street means fewer cigarette butts on the sidewalk. Voted no last night.
Posted by bamfa on April 4, 2014 at 11:51 AM · Report this
McJulie 36
Wow, the hidden comments have so many incredibly compelling reasons to vote no, if you're a smug, spiteful, right wing asshole who doesn't live in King County. I'm sold!
Posted by McJulie on April 4, 2014 at 12:07 PM · Report this
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The highways, police, fire dept, school districts also generate a huge profit for us every year...I don't get why the transit org is expected to be some wildly successful business. Last time I looked it was an expense. If this is about paying a fair share, then sure. Let's toll all of our highways and implement congestion charges while we're at it. Additionally, I love how every time Rail comes up, the conservatives say that we should fund buses but when it comes to improving that service it's suddenly a wasteful expense. I commute 5 miles a day on a bike path so in reality none of this really affects me. I hope you enjoy the thousands of additional cars on the road everyday while the population continues to grow. If anything, this just might encourage more density because the only affordable and practical way to get into work really will be by walking or biking.
Posted by fish04 on April 4, 2014 at 12:10 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 38
unjustly skyrocketing taxes on motorists from $40 for every vehicle over two years to $600 each over 10 years: an unacceptable 1,500% increase.


This is obviously a lie, but they're still saying we're currently being charged $20/vehicle and that's going up to $60/vehicle. That's a 200 percent increase, not 50 percent. Unless there's something I'm missing, the Prop 1 opponents aren't the only liars here.
Posted by keshmeshi on April 4, 2014 at 12:58 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 39
We need a State NIIT:

What is the Net Investment Income Tax?

The net investment income tax is a surtax at a rate of 3.8% on a base of income that is the lesser of one's modified adjusted gross income over the threshold amount, or net investment income.


http://taxes.about.com/od/Types-of-Taxes…
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on April 4, 2014 at 1:25 PM · Report this
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Free bus fare is a basic human right.

I am a social justice warrior.

I'm getting on the phone with Sawant right now. She'll know how to fix this for sure.
Posted by hypocrites, all of ya on April 4, 2014 at 1:25 PM · Report this
Phoebe in Wallingford 41
I'd like to vote no, but we need to keep the access going for people with disabilities. Who knows... some of us might need that service someday.
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on April 4, 2014 at 2:11 PM · Report this
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"via a motor vehicle excise tax (MVET) on the value of people's vehicles—so we could tax a millionaire's sports car more than a beat-up old Toyota Corolla." Why does this need to be a class thing? If you've ever left Seattle and been to other states or other countries you might realize that a lot of them tax based on the weight of the vehicle. Since that has more to do with road maintenance then if my Honda cost me $5k, versus the tricked out $42k version. How about instead of blaming people based on how much they do or don't make, we actually do something that makes sense. P.S. Just because people are poor doesn't make them homeless or destitute and righteous. Just because people are rich, doesn't make them happy, assholes, and out to crush "the little guy/gal". The author of this article is a biased over generalizing turd.
Posted by AndresPena on April 4, 2014 at 2:14 PM · Report this
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42: It's a class thing because people who don't have a lot of money rely on buses to get from point A to point B. If a bunch of interlopers who don't rely on public transit act like it's no big deal to eliminate services that benefit people who don't make as much money they're making it into a class thing.
Posted by Jizzlobber on April 4, 2014 at 2:26 PM · Report this
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#40: Nice straw man there, champ. Add some more straw and your scarecrow should win the prize at the fair this year.
Posted by Jizzlobber on April 4, 2014 at 2:28 PM · Report this
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@37

I ride buses everyday, and I support buses, but I don't support Prop 1. Contradiction? No. I think what drives a lot of people crazy is that Metro is so bloody wasteful with its spending. Why is that only NYC and SF spend more to operate their bus systems than Seattle? Bloated budgets and wasteful spending.

If they got more efficient, but needed more revenue for services, then perhaps more people (myself included) would be more amiable to support the cause. In the meantime, raise fares if they need revenue so desperately.
Posted by tennisballmilk on April 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM · Report this
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@45
Metro has trimmed down massively. The fat is almost all gone. This funding gap cuts to the bone.
Prop 1 does raise fares.
I dont know why NYC and SF spend more... What metric are you looking at?
If you ride buses everyday, you might not if Prop 1 fails. The service will be shredded.
Posted by JonCracolici on April 4, 2014 at 4:35 PM · Report this
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Well thanks for your cavalier support of public transit. I'm guessing your bus route isn't on the chopping block, or you have a car for convenience. Because if you're route was being cut and was you only means of transport, I don't think you'd be so principled.

"Ridership is increasing monthly, buses are overcrowded, demand is outstripping supply. I have a great idea: to show Metro that we don't like how they're running their finances, let's decrease supply significantly, making buses less frequent and more overcrowded. There will be collateral damage of course, but hey it's not me feeling the pain because I don't ride that bus, and the poors should be buying cars anyway. Punishing riders is a great way to force Metro to change. Oh yes, and let's raise fares, because $2.50 isn't high enough. Let's bump it to $3. Even though we've argued that the car fee is an unfair burden on the poor, the only solution we can see is increasing the burden of bus fare."

If people are so serious about creating steady revenue they should throw their support behind a state income tax and/or an indefinite fixed annual budget for Metro, adjusted annually based on increases in population, ridership, infrastructure costs and associated expenses. In other words, they should support the tax structure of a civilized society. Unfortunately Seattle is under the thumb of a retarded state and county government and funding structure. Some of us have to vote for these half-assed measures because we can't go to work if our routes aren't funded. We can't throw away shit over some misguided moral outrage about wasteful government.

Conservatives and east-side business community assholes keep crying about how the fees are a regressive tax, which has got to be the most disingenuous argument ever from a group of people who fight tooth and nail to prevent a state income tax, essentially forcing us to impose regressive taxes to pay for shit that should be part of a consistent, ongoing, indefinite transit/transport budget. It's pretty epic bad faith to thwart efforts to increase tax revenue and make taxes more progressive, and then turn around and whine about pay-as-you-go fees.
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Posted by Jizzlobber on April 4, 2014 at 4:42 PM · Report this
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That was addressed to #45 and others.
Posted by Jizzlobber on April 4, 2014 at 4:42 PM · Report this
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Also, I contracted "your" the second time I use it. Eternal shame.
Posted by Jizzlobber on April 4, 2014 at 4:44 PM · Report this
McJulie 50
@46 Another sock puppet, although I note you say you "ride buses" every day, not that you "ride METRO buses." If you ride buses somewhere in Palo Alto, of course you don't feel like you have to support Prop 1.

However, if you do ride buses in Seattle, and don't support Prop 1, you are an idiot.

Tim Eyman doesn't care about transportation in Seattle. He lives in Mukilteo and works a non-traditional job that he can mostly do from his house. Also, he's a narrow-minded sociopathic narcissist.
Posted by McJulie on April 4, 2014 at 4:55 PM · Report this
McJulie 51
Ugh, sorry @46, that was supposed to be directed @45.
Posted by McJulie on April 4, 2014 at 4:56 PM · Report this
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‘I'm gonna vote NO because I support public transit but I'm a fucking idiot.’ – Shorter version of several comments above.
Posted by madcap on April 4, 2014 at 6:19 PM · Report this
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I'm old and can hardly walk--am applying for Access service in Seattle so I can get to the doctor. My husband and son are dependent on the bus to get to college and to work and to do errands.

We have no car.

Please support this measure for us and the many more who can't afford a vehicle and, really, don't want to clutter the streets with more traffic.
Posted by Former driver on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM · Report this
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Even though it is another regressive nickle and dime fee, voting for prop 1 goes without saying because cutting so much bus service would impact those who need it most BUT I wish the initiative also mandated that all King county buses should sport a replica of Rodney Tom's balls hanging from the rear view mirror as an indication that we are not duped about who is responsible for this regression. Voting for prop 1 and going after Rodney Tom should be one and the same.
Posted by anon1256 on April 4, 2014 at 7:38 PM · Report this
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Sorry, but you're arguments haven't swayed me.

You claim the tax increase is required through "no fault" of Metro. Let me provide one example where Metro clearly is at fault.

Metro operates the Access vans for the disabled that you like so much. And the average trip cost is somewhere around $40.42. Metro has a goal of reducing this cost, but by their own admission have failed as costs have increased by over $6 per trip since 2010. (2012 Strategic Plan.)

Metro could save a small fortune just by hiring Uber to provide the same service.

There are plenty of ripe opportunities for cost cutting at Metro - without a reduction in transportation services. There is also plenty of room for transit fares to increase for us to be in parity with other major cities. Until those changes have happened, it would be wasteful to give Metro another dime.
Posted by David in Shoreline on April 4, 2014 at 7:39 PM · Report this
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@55
Really? I didnt know all uber vehicles were ADA. You know, ready to take wheelchair bound passengers and all. That seems like a big reason that Uber wouldnt be a good choice.
Posted by JonCracolici on April 4, 2014 at 8:26 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 57
I'm still looking for a guarantee that this measure will keep Metro from coming back to taxpayers with its hand out in two years, as it does every few years in good times and bad. Given how much of this tax increase is going to roads and without that reassurance, I'm voting no.
Posted by keshmeshi on April 4, 2014 at 8:49 PM · Report this
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@56

I certainly have nothing against people in wheelchairs.

But I know that many people who use wheelchairs ride in non-ADA cars with their friends and family.

And I know that not everybody who rides an Access van uses a wheelchair.

So, the majority of the vans could be taken off the road, with a few left to serve those who cannot do without the wheelchair lift.

It would still save millions upon millions of dollars per year.
Posted by David in Shoreline on April 4, 2014 at 9:24 PM · Report this
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Here's a little movie for all those republicans that are going to be stuck in traffic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWoTR7V36…
Posted by Busman on April 4, 2014 at 9:40 PM · Report this
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@29 "If you live in Seattle and you vote against this, GTFO of the city because you're not pulling your weight."

Thai is the most honest, concise, and perfectly formulated summary of progressives' philosophy that I've ever seen. You pull your weight by voting, not paying.

Marvelous, thank you.
Posted by Homple on April 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM · Report this
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@58
I dont think you understand the reason Metro runs Access vans.
They are legally obligated to.
Anyplace they send buses, they have to have Access vans available to be ADA compliant. Outsourcing that to a company like Uber honestly probably wouldnt be cheaper, let alone legal. In capital hill it would probably work out ok. But how many Uber drivers spend their time hanging around the outskirts? Like Issaquah or Duvall? The drivers would need special training, need special vehicles, be available in all sorts of far-flung places all the time, likely special insurance.... I dont know if Uber would really want that contract. That doesnt really have the flexibility that their business is built on.
Really the whole thing is that public transit HAS to be ADA compliant. It makes things much more expensive. Unless you count all the lawsuits that would be payed out if it wasnt.
Posted by JonCracolici on April 4, 2014 at 11:57 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 62
I got the worst robocall from the anti-bus crowd last night. It was a shrieking, angry bitch of a woman, going on about "waste" and a bunch of other nonsense. I usually never answer calls where I don't know the number, but I'm glad I did in this instance, just for how terrible this woman was. I wish I had recorded it.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on April 5, 2014 at 7:09 AM · Report this
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2 million dollars for a share a bike program. 2 million taxpayer dollars. That will be 2 million dollars wasted . Yet you want me to vote for more taxes so we can waste more I think not.
Posted by behappy on April 5, 2014 at 11:29 AM · Report this
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The complete lack of intelligent commentary in this article should tell you that there isn't much to support in this ballot measure. And then there are the lies. Pierce County didn't cut their service. In fact, what they did after their ballot measure failed was to find ways to better use existing tax revenue and avoided any service cuts. Read for yourself:

http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/blog/pos…
Posted by Scottty on April 5, 2014 at 1:56 PM · Report this
Scott Foster 65
@19
Really? Is it so selfish to have worked for thirty years, to have a twenty-five year old truck and a couple of motorcycles, and to not want to be stuck with the bulk of the cost for poor financial management?

Get your bearings! Metro wants you, me, and my neighbors to fear cuts.

@42
AP. The answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything. Thank you!
Posted by Scott Foster on April 5, 2014 at 3:55 PM · Report this
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Those of you claiming selfish motives of those of us voting NO are the same ones that want the 15/hr. wage. I drive because there is no service where I live. Between school levies that don't help schools (teachers wages have not gone up in 7+ years.. I'm a teacher) property tax just keeps going up so landlord raises rent. I’ve had enough with the taxes. Vote NO!
Posted by slimpickns on April 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM · Report this
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@50

Way to go off an a tangent about which you nothing about.

I use Community Transit, Sound Transit, and Metro every single day. Have been for about 8 years. I do not own a car. I do not live in Palo Alto. I do not support Tim Eyman.

But go ahead and make yourself feel good and demonize anybody that disagrees with you or Prop 1.

Raise fares, decrease spending, and stop appropriating $100,000,000 per mile for fixed-route street cars. How may bus routes would that fund?
Posted by tennisballmilk on April 5, 2014 at 8:41 PM · Report this
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@Scott Foster: Well said, you get it. I am another liberal who agrees with you. Metro has become the most bloated pig in all of public transportation. Millions spent on unnecessary and dysfunctional technology, overweight busses as well as pointlessly ruining countless bicycle lanes with idiotic sidewalk islands. Somewhere along the way Metro got WAY too comfortable. It's time for accountability. To vote yes on this is to encourage the worst spending policy ever shown in King County.
Posted by Frankenbike on April 6, 2014 at 1:30 AM · Report this
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Voting yes is a band-aid solution that pours money into a failing system. Our region has become a megalopolis and can be better served without the redundancy of Metro Transit, Sound Transit, Pierce Transit and Snohomish Transit. Put together a true regional system for the 21st Century to get rid of redundant administration and then lets talk about the funding.
Posted by House of Fur on April 6, 2014 at 6:56 AM · Report this
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I will vote against bailing out Metro. Let's have privately owned companies handle this, this is the essence of capitalism; I vote with my money, and my money says: be efficient or let other people do the job.
Posted by jason hellman on April 6, 2014 at 7:53 AM · Report this
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Ah, to live in a state without a state income tax: death by a thousand paper cuts. Thus the need for all the band-aid solutions.
Posted by bett on April 6, 2014 at 9:29 AM · Report this
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I lean liberal and usually rubber stamp tax increases, especially for schools and libraries and parks. I also drive and have to for work, taking transit would add 3-4 hours a day to my commute. The sales tax I could maybe deal with. But a flat $60 increase, that's huge and a deal breaker. Why stop there, why not double my car tabs from $100 to $200, or triple it? That will show those nasty drivers who clog our streets. Except I'm not a microsoftie driving my BMW, making $150k a year. I am a low middle class government worker who drives a used Hyundai. I'm sorry that's a 60% increase and even if the Seattle Times are assholes who fight progressive takes, a broken clock is right twice a day and this time of day they are right, it's a regressive tax. I'm pretty sure like most low middle class people I'm right in that sweet spot, make too much to not qualify for the low income credit and don't make enough money to not care about another $60 on top of my $100. How about car tab taxed based on the value of the vehicle? That I could get behind. Say a 1% tax to I'd pay $5 on my $5k Hyundai and the guy in the $50k BMW pays $50 more. Until they come up with a better system, sorry I'm voting NO.
Posted by hifiandrew on April 6, 2014 at 12:57 PM · Report this
Rujax! 73
Almost ALL these commenters are trolls.

Fuck you assholes. We need Metro.

Vote YES!!
Posted by Rujax! http://rujax.blogspot.com/ on April 6, 2014 at 7:16 PM · Report this
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Based on calculations I did in 2010 with the numbers Metro published on fuel usage and miles driven, the Seattle Metro bus service is getting 10.6 MPG per passenger. When you consider most of the riders are people commuting to and from work and own a car, the only reason they take the bus is because it is cheaper, since riders pay only 10% of the Operating and Capital expenses. It is sad to think our taxes are being used to pump more CO2 into the atmosphere than if those same rider drove standard Honda Civics.
Posted by Sad Commuter on April 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM · Report this
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I'm with hifiandrew 60.00 is way too much. Let it be a user fee, or better yet put some plates on bicycles and charge them 60.00 there's some revenue for the transit system.... see how eager they are to vote yes then.
Posted by Mirage232 on April 8, 2014 at 6:21 AM · Report this
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#73. +1.
Posted by Ballard Spur on April 8, 2014 at 2:51 PM · Report this
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Why don't they just raise the price of a bus trip by 25 cents. With 400,000 riders a day, that would give them all the money they say they need. Give it a year or two then when they ask for more tax money it will be an easier sell.
Posted by Country Boy 1 on April 8, 2014 at 5:08 PM · Report this
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juche is high on White Privilege . . . .
Posted by 5th Columnist on April 8, 2014 at 7:25 PM · Report this
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@29, @30, @54, & @60: Bravo! You nailed it! Although I don't live in Seattle anymore, I once DID rely on Metro's #15 and #18 routes through Ballard to get to and from school when I wasn't driving (back in the '90's)
I couldn't agree more!

@54 anon1256: I like your idea of roasting Rodney Tom's balls. But let's add Doug Ericson, Jason Overstreet, and Tim Eyman, too, to the ball-roasting list and make it a real charred-pig-que.
Posted by auntie grizelda on April 9, 2014 at 12:38 PM · Report this
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I won't vote for this. First, it creates a double tax on registered vehicles for "roads." We are already paying, thanks to temporary legislation, at $20 fee on car registration that was moved by the King County Council to assist with Metro and roads during the difficult time during the recession. Now, there is a desire to triple that amount? I won't vote for this on that alone. Second, it adds a sales tax increase which means that's still not enough? It might be one thing to consider an extension of the registration, but both of these are far too much, and the statement for issued by the council does not sway me.

Second, as a driver that's had to spend the last two years sharing the roads with Metro on a daily basis while we are paying for this, and one that doesn't use Metro, I can't support it with out changes to the way Metro does business. I can agree with the need to change ridership and fares, change routes, and other arguments, but I stretch further. I've seen too many issues with Metro Buses and the drivers to willingly support spending for them. Too many close calls and too many issues where the drivers are not acting in accordance of vehicle laws. I understand that other drivers create issues as well, but what happens when Metro has an issue? They talk to their Union Representative and it goes away; that is, unless they hit a pedestrian and flee the scene.

To my mind, you have an uphill argument without raising the tax, and an impossible one if you triple it.

As to the general comment about this being a plot to "screw" people out of Metro use. I'm not a republican, not a democrat. I'm Independent and like it that way. Asking people to triple what was a temporary tax (expiring at the end of the year) that will support Metro, in any respect, is ludicrous. I understand that some of it will go to roadways in the county, but 2/3 or $40 of what is paid towards car tabs with this would be the antithesis of a peoples movement in the late 90's to use initiative to reverse overt government spending that was "screwing" people. Grassroots over government abuse, I call that a win and this is killing that.

Worse, it was a Republican move in 1975 by the then sitting Washington State Senator from Spokane who pushed to ensure that of the tax monies levied for transportation, and unequal apportionment went to all counties in the state to maintain their roads. Snohomish, King, and Pierce Counties, with over 50% of the state population, does not get 50% of the collected tax revenue for transportation. Instead, much of that goes to other counties to maintain their roads, while those in our area fall into disrepair from our higher use. If you want a cross to hang someone on, you need to go a bit further back in time to find it.
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Posted by Mick123 on April 9, 2014 at 2:36 PM · Report this
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I can't believe I fall into the 'right wing asshole' category because I think we have an out of control driver's union. A LOT of people need to look at the facts before they vote and not just believe what is being spewed at them.

From 2000 to 2010, King County Metro has twice increased the sales tax rate. In 2000, Metro officials were successful in asking voters to approve a 0.2 percent rate hike and another 0.1 percent in 2006. Metro officials said these two tax increases would expand county bus service by 1.28 million hours by 2016. To date, Metro have only delivered about 307,000 hours, a third of the bus service they promised voters. Yet another tax on voters in 2011 of $20 for every car registered was promised to "spare Metro service". Elimination of the free ride zone dumped a ton of cash into Metro's pocket.
While taxpayers and transit users have not received what they were promised, one group has benefited from the tax increases have been the bus drivers.

1. Over the last ten years, King County Metro has three times sought and received increases in tax but only delivered about one third of the bus service promised to voters.

2. Over the same time period, salaries paid to Metro bus drivers grew 70%, from $79 million in 2000 to about $145 million in 2012.

3. Average wages for Metro bus drivers grew more than twice the rate of inflation.

4. The president of the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 587, Paul Bachtel, is on record saying that suspending automatic pay increases is unacceptable.

5. Metro does not even require a high school degree to become a transit operator, yet there are now 47 drivers who make between $125,000 and $100,00: 415 who make over $100,000 and $75,000 per year .

6. Metro drivers are the third highest paid drivers in the country

7. 11 Transit Mechanics making over $100,000 a year

8. Voters were told the higher taxes would be used to deliver more bus service, not to increase wages for bus drivers. Does this sound familiar?

9. On Dec 19, the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 587 overwhelmingly voted against an offer to put a one year freeze on pay raises. An act which could have saved route cuts yet still kept them as the third highest paid drivers in the country.

Support for Metro Union worker's antics is not a support for continued bus service, but rather a support in getting as many Metro drivers and mechanics over the $100,000 a year salary mark as possible. I have experienced, several time, a Metro driver announcing over the PA that if we did not vote for increased revenue, we would be walking, paying for parking, or stuck in traffic. It is a horrible state of affairs when union workers are allowed to coerce paying customers for more money to fund their salaries and ridiculous pensions.

All of this information is easy to find on line. It is a horrible state of affairs when Union workers will hold the county hostage with threats if they can not turn their over paid positions into obscenely over paid positions. How proud are you that you simply roll over and allow anyone to take advantage of you.

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Posted by Must Play on April 10, 2014 at 8:59 AM · Report this
dorimonsonfan 82
They want a $1.6 billion tax increase. There are 2,157 King County employees who made over $100,000 in 2012. If you want to keep subsidizing that go ahead and vote yes on Prop. 1.

Posted by dorimonsonfan on April 10, 2014 at 12:26 PM · Report this
dorimonsonfan 83
@11 Great points. So why are you voting yes?
Posted by dorimonsonfan on April 10, 2014 at 12:28 PM · Report this
dorimonsonfan 84
80, 81 Great points.
Posted by dorimonsonfan on April 10, 2014 at 12:35 PM · Report this
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Until we have a progressive income tax in this state, the powers that be can fuck themselves with unending pleas for regressive taxation?

$60 car tabs for a Porsche or a shitbox? Fuck no.
Sales tax increase that hits the poor the hardest? Fuck no.

FUCK NO.
Posted by herrbrahms on April 10, 2014 at 3:59 PM · Report this
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I'm a college student and I don't have a car or the means to get a car at the moment and if Prop 1 doesn't pass then a bus I take regularly will be cut. I understand that the $20 tab increase is shitty for the people who drive everyday but when you really think about it--it's not that much money. There are probably times you spend $20 in one sitting on things that are much less helpful to the community.
Posted by MLK on April 13, 2014 at 5:38 PM · Report this
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Perhaps the best way is "to demonstrate the existence of a vitality and a discipline [with]in demobilization". Shouldn't we be investing within our micro-communities so as to de-emphasize the necessity of having to travel long distances to a job, nightclub or bar? Shouldn't we reduce the mileage we have to travel in order to sustain our basic necessities? If we are to vote no, as horrid of a situation it may be for those who simply cannot afford to have a public transportation fail, could that not open up the opportunity to redirect our idleness and helplessness into our own neighborhood instead of constantly focusing on a destination that will always be a couple bus routes away?
Posted by Matthew Higgins on April 14, 2014 at 1:03 PM · Report this
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I just moved to Seattle recently (in Feb) from out of state. How do I get a ballot? I haven't received one in the mail.
Posted by luciaone on April 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM · Report this
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60,000k salary for an entry-level BUS DRIVER? You could train anyone to do this in a couple of weeks. Engineers don't even make that.

Paying workers what they are worth would save $50+ million right there. Increase rates for riders. Create more commuter routes and get rid of barely used routes (people choose to move off major bus lines, they can get a bike).

The PR campaign for the tax hike sounds a lot like extortion. Get your house and finances in order and stop shaking people down.
Posted by TheTruthHurts00 on April 19, 2014 at 12:23 PM · Report this
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Why would any one vote no? We make enough money to live in Seattle, we can spare $20. I think it should be more like $100. My father came here from the Soviet Union where people lived well for a lot less money. Why can't we do the same here? We need to pay our share!
Posted by ju$tin on April 19, 2014 at 1:03 PM · Report this
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When it comes to getting screwed, Dan Savage knows what he's talking about. I'm following his advice and telling the East Side Wingnuts to stick it..well you know where.
Posted by buckcameron on April 20, 2014 at 5:23 PM · Report this
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I know, I know, this is gonna be a dumb question, but tell us, Dow, do you think you could have used the money spent on the cost of this special election to keep a few bus lines running?
Posted by Purrl on April 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM · Report this
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 93
Thanks for the reminder!
I voted: "HELL NO!"
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on April 21, 2014 at 1:50 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 94
@82-84: What $ should King Co. employees max out at? I bet Dori Monson makes over 100K. What does he think is fair? $99,999?

The logjam you're all bitching about is in Olympia and Mukilteo, home of Gov. Eyman. Gas Taxes are dedicated to roads. The State CONSTITUION forbids an income tax. Eyman got rid of license fees based on car value decades ago. $60? It used to be hundreds of $, every year.

Metro already has one of the highest per-ride fares in the nation. Vote yes, you fucking cheapskates. This is not the election in which to take a principled stand on forcing Olympia to perform its duties.

Posted by Max Solomon on April 21, 2014 at 1:51 PM · Report this
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#46, Metro has not cut a fraction of the fat they could. Close to 50% of Metro's employees are in administration rather than actual service (the number used to over 50%, I am rounding down due to the age of the stats).

I support Prop 1 because several of my routes are on the chopping block, but I cannot abide by the disingenuous assertion that Metro has trimmed all the fat they can. They've revised routes and stops, but have down nothing about the redundant upper level employee overhead.

#61, you can't really get an Access van in Duvall now, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with that tangent.
Posted by The stupidity is over 9,000! on April 21, 2014 at 2:36 PM · Report this
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Considering how much those who don't even own nor rent private vehicles help to fund those who do,fiscal year after fucking fiscal year,I'd say the owners of private vehicles are in no Moral position of superiority.Then there's the subject of maintain the Upper Klass in the first damn place!Pfft! --- http://www.taxsanity.org
Posted by 5th Columnist on April 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM · Report this
dorimonsonfan 97
The median income of a Metro rider is higher than that of the average Seattle resident. Voting yes for prop 1 will simply take money out of poor people's pockets who need cars to take their kids to school and hand it over to the rich businessmen commuting to the Columbia tower.
Posted by dorimonsonfan on April 21, 2014 at 3:04 PM · Report this
98
I already voted . . . NO.
Posted by Purrl on April 21, 2014 at 9:36 PM · Report this
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I voted Yes! I also confirmed another 30 yes votes over the past two days. We're going to keep moving this County forward despite all the naysayers. It's really just economics. Every business person I know supports this because we need transportation to get workers to work.

If you voted no on this, shame on you. Get the heck out of my town and make room for those of us who want to make this place prosper. All of the little nitpicky arguments are just that. Nothing trumps the fact that we need bus service or else we are going to look like a Texas traffic jam.
Posted by GoHuskies14 on April 22, 2014 at 9:48 AM · Report this
dorimonsonfan 100
Vote NO on taking more money from the poor! Vote NO on prop 1!
Posted by dorimonsonfan on April 22, 2014 at 11:24 AM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 101
@100, the words of a bloated white guy if I ever heard them before.

Honestly, I think this one is going to fail. But fear not! We can all have the satisfaction of knowing the eastside will choke to death on it's own traffic. So there will be some entertainment for the rest of us.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on April 22, 2014 at 1:43 PM · Report this
dorimonsonfan 102
@101 - are you saying the average metro rider makes less than the average Seattle resident? Because that is not the case. By charging more for car tabs to keep bus fares cheap for high earning metro riders is going to benefit the richer amongst us and take money from the working poor through a $60 car tab tax increase. Raise fares by fourty cents a trip instead. Protect the poor. Vote NO on Prop 1!
Posted by dorimonsonfan on April 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM · Report this
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Vote yes.
If you like being able to get around the city. If you dont want traffic to get worse. If you want working people to be able to get home from work. If you dont want to have to cab it every you go out.
Basically if you dont have a knee jerk reaction to government, vote yes.
We only have to do this because Oly completely screwed the pooch. But we still have to do it.
Posted by JonCracolici on April 22, 2014 at 7:12 PM · Report this
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Tuesday report: No 55; Yes 45. 10 percent is a large gap to overcome.

Sad and stupid of KC voters. Unfortunately, Seattle is not allowed to go it alone.
Posted by anandakos on April 22, 2014 at 8:22 PM · Report this
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@101 dorimonsonfan: Okay, now you've got me confused. Why are you looking at us and saying 'Ha ha, I TOLD you so!' regarding the bottomless taxpayer funded sinkhole that is Big Bertha, and yet say NO to Prop 1? I don't have all the facts or answers, but a NO vote actually CUTS existing bus routes! How does cutting vital METRO bus routes help the working poor?

@103 JonCracolici: Right spot ON!! If I still lived in Seattle, I would indeed vote YES on Prop 1. Attention current Seattleites: Bludgeon down the evil "Just Say No" Blethens and vote YES on Prop 1!
Posted by auntie grizelda on April 22, 2014 at 8:25 PM · Report this
dorimonsonfan 106
@105 "How does cutting vital METRO bus routes help the working poor?"

I'll tell you how. Metro riders are not poor. Most Metro riders in fact make MORE than the average Seattle resident.

So if you raise the price of car tabs by $60 to keep bus fares low, those riding the bus who make MORE than average will enjoy being subsidized by the poor who see an increase in the price of their car tabs. It would benefit the poor to keep car tabs affordable and have the wealthier bus riders pay 45 cents more per trip instead.
Posted by dorimonsonfan on April 22, 2014 at 8:45 PM · Report this
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By now the news is reporting that Proposition 1 lost.

But those of you who supported it can still show your support. Send Metro a check for $60, more if you can afford it, less if you can't. I.e., take action as if it passed - and put your money where your vote is.
Posted by madawa on April 22, 2014 at 11:37 PM · Report this
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$60 car tab fees are bullshit! Let the people who ride buses pay the actual cost of the ride by installing a debit card reader with GPS tracking software that computes your fare based on the actual distance travelled and the number of riders on the bus sharing the cost. If it's 10 PM and you're one of six people riding twenty miles, too bad... it sucks to be you. If it's 7 AM and the bus is standing room only, good for you... it'll be really cheap. It shouldn't cost me anything because I won't be on it.
Posted by Mr Driver on April 23, 2014 at 2:31 AM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 109
And for you "no" voters? The night owl service is cut. Hope none of your loved ones get killed by the drunk drivers you just helped put on the streets.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on April 23, 2014 at 3:43 AM · Report this
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@109 It was my frequent encounters with and observations of reckless Metro drivers blocking crosswalks (forcing pedestrians out into traffic lanes) and racing the red light along Stewart @ 7th, etc., that prompted my no vote. Not taxes or most of the typical arguments used against the measure.

As I'm the only one in my family who goes out at night, late night drunks on the road would be a concern for me. Except the reckless driving of Metro drivers has proven to be a much bigger concern for me as someone who primarily gets around as a pedestrian.

Frankly I'd rather take my chances with the drunks.
Posted by madawa on April 23, 2014 at 7:16 AM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 111
@110, so says the commentator who's been with Slog for five weeks.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on April 23, 2014 at 7:42 AM · Report this
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111 do not worry 5 weeks 5 years the truth really bothers you I see.
Posted by behappy on April 23, 2014 at 8:06 AM · Report this
wilbur@work 113
this Non-RWA and frequent bus passenger voted NO, and remains damn proud of it.
Posted by wilbur@work on April 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM · Report this
wilbur@work 114
+ us NO voters love your random insults hurled without explaining your robotic adherence to the Stranger's conformist views. Bring it!

(we're also looking forward to your eviction, so we can condo-ize your ghetto cap hill crash pad)
Posted by wilbur@work on April 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM · Report this
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@106: Are you a regular Metro commuter? What makes you and fellow "Just Say No" voters so sure that all Metro riders are rich? Although I'm going about 18 years back here, that wasn't necessarily the case back in the 1990s when I lived in Ballard and commuted downtown to school.

Look, I'm well aware that this is strictly a Seattle-voters-only issue, and that my opinion isn't going to sway the special election whatsoever, but as a Seattle native, I find this whole cut Metro / Ha ha--Condos over people / Murray +SPD = Seattle, you're screwed situation depressing.
Depressing because of all the obstructionists out there hellbent on cutting vital services only to shoot those who need them in the foot.
What if one day you lose your job and /or get sick, and suddenly can't rely on your car to get around, and the public transportation system along with other public services that were once available longer are, and all you naysayers are just as shit out of luck?
Okay. Those of you who voted no voted no. We'll see what happens with all the cut Metro routes.
Posted by auntie grizelda on April 23, 2014 at 2:43 PM · Report this
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@115: Dang it!! Make that the following typo correction: ".....other public services that were once available no longer are..." *sigh* My brain types faster than my fingers do.
Posted by auntie grizelda on April 23, 2014 at 2:48 PM · Report this
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@115 / @116: By the way, isn't there also an investigation going on, too, about cutting indie cab services?
And Big Bertha isn't going anywhere for another year....

And the hits just keep ooooooon comin'.
Posted by auntie grizelda on April 23, 2014 at 2:53 PM · Report this
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@111 - I've been on Slog off and on over the years. But it has been a while (not all that much worth commenting on until the recent Metro and 15 Now issues), and because I now have a different email address I re-registered.

Not that I understand why the newness matters.

I live downtown, primarily get around as a pedestrian, and pedestrian safety in increasingly a concern of mine.
Posted by madawa on April 23, 2014 at 6:00 PM · Report this

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