October 10, 2012
Marriage Equality
How to Talk About Marriage Equality
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Marriage Equality
- How to Talk About Marriage Equality
- Phone-Banking for Marriage Equality
- Frank Schubert Always Comes from Behind
- Referendum 74 Is Drawing Support from Corners You Might Not Expect
- Straight College Students Try to Wake Up the Gays
- How I Got Grandma to Talk About Gay Marriage
- If Love and Justice Don't Sway You, How About Some Gay Marriage Cash?
On November 6, Washington has the chance to make history as the first state to uphold same-sex-marriage rights at the ballot box. Besides voting to approve Referendum 74, what can you do to help make this dream a reality? You can read the following pages to get up to speed on the latest political intrigue—the creep who's coming to town to fill the airwaves with anti-gay nonsense, the homos who don't even know this vote is happening, the grandmas who can still be swayed. Most of all, you can start having conversations like the ones we misanthropes at The Stranger have been forcing ourselves into. Drunk conversations, "courageous conversations," conversations about cold, hard cash. This fight can't be won without lots of people talking to ambivalent and undecided voters, so let's go. Starting with a refresher course in...
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When the "changing the definition of marriage" canard comes up, cheerfully ask which one they mean. For example, there are several in the bible alone:
Marriage (noun):
1. A property transaction between a man and a woman's father, involving the sale of the woman for conubial service in exchange for like good (goats, grain, etc.),
2. A spiritual union between one man and one or more female concubines,
3. A tribally enforced relationship between a rapist and a woman, after she is raped.
4. A union between a man, a woman, and her slaves,
5. A union between a brother and sister, if descended directly from Adam and Eve.
Marriage (noun):
1. A property transaction between a man and a woman's father, involving the sale of the woman for conubial service in exchange for like good (goats, grain, etc.),
2. A spiritual union between one man and one or more female concubines,
3. A tribally enforced relationship between a rapist and a woman, after she is raped.
4. A union between a man, a woman, and her slaves,
5. A union between a brother and sister, if descended directly from Adam and Eve.
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"...will somehow lead to second-graders coming home from school with dildos."
Avoid using that phrase in a conversation aimed at persuading ambivalent voters.
Worst sound bite ever.
Avoid using that phrase in a conversation aimed at persuading ambivalent voters.
Worst sound bite ever.
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Is this comic out of date?
As of 2008, domestic partner’s benefits and responsibilities include visitation, health care decision-making, and information-access rights.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_pa…
As of 2008, domestic partner’s benefits and responsibilities include visitation, health care decision-making, and information-access rights.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_pa…
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What about the arguments that R. 74 will open up the pathway to arrangements like polygamy? Can we get a comeback/answer to that one?
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lets talk evolution.
blue-eyed couples have blue-eyed babies.
brown-eyed couples have brown-eyed babies.
black people have black babies.
white people have white babies.
and in between.
gay couples have.. what?
So much for evolutionary adaptation. Sweet christ guys, pick a shittier mutation.
You thought you were natural?
You are a social ill.
Go say hi to Rick and shake his hand, because you're on his side.
Fucking creationists.
blue-eyed couples have blue-eyed babies.
brown-eyed couples have brown-eyed babies.
black people have black babies.
white people have white babies.
and in between.
gay couples have.. what?
So much for evolutionary adaptation. Sweet christ guys, pick a shittier mutation.
You thought you were natural?
You are a social ill.
Go say hi to Rick and shake his hand, because you're on his side.
Fucking creationists.
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Check out WUM's (Washington United for Marriage) TALKING POINTS. Personal stories are the best way to persuade.
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@4: "Carries more weight." Domestic partners do have hospital visitation rights in a lot of states, including ours, but that hasn't been the most useful in all emergency situations. "I'm his husband" or "I'm her wife" adds a ton more gravity. I'm thinking specifically of the lesbian couple in Nevada, but I'm sure there are others.
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I'm Queer. I don't think that voting for referendum 74 is a very good thing for my community. I'm a Transman that can't wait to marry his girlfriend. You didn't get my opinion want to meet up in a bar and have a cocktail about it?
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If stupidly ass-backwards Catholic infected countries like Spain and Portugal can have full-fledged legal gay marriage then surely the state of Washington can get its head out of its ass and do the same.
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The cartoon is accurate but illustrates why the campaign is only half honest. Evidence? "Ref 74 only concerns civil marriage, not religious marriage."
An easier and 100% honest approach would be a campaign to add the word, "civil" to every reference to marriage in the RCW thus "civil marriage. "Word" could it in ten minutes, ten buck's worth of a secretary's time.
The unstated purpose of the campaign is to piss (good Bible word - see Strong's) off right wing Christians.
An easier and 100% honest approach would be a campaign to add the word, "civil" to every reference to marriage in the RCW thus "civil marriage. "Word" could it in ten minutes, ten buck's worth of a secretary's time.
The unstated purpose of the campaign is to piss (good Bible word - see Strong's) off right wing Christians.
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a large lie of the other side is the notion that for 5000 years marrige has been defined as man plus woman. fail. much of the time it has been defined as:
man and many women.
man plus women captured and enslaved.
man rapes woman, then gets right to marry her.
a deal between families, headed by men.
a contract between a man and another man about the latter's 13 year old daughter, plus an assortment of goats and sheep.
an unending bond. till re reformed marriage for no fault divorce so now marriage means either an unending bond or unending parenting plan revisions -- a union of a man, woman, their lawyers, and the judge, and child psch. experts costing all concerned hundreds of thousands of dollars. that's straigh marrriage today.
man and many women.
man plus women captured and enslaved.
man rapes woman, then gets right to marry her.
a deal between families, headed by men.
a contract between a man and another man about the latter's 13 year old daughter, plus an assortment of goats and sheep.
an unending bond. till re reformed marriage for no fault divorce so now marriage means either an unending bond or unending parenting plan revisions -- a union of a man, woman, their lawyers, and the judge, and child psch. experts costing all concerned hundreds of thousands of dollars. that's straigh marrriage today.
18
A marriage is A blessed union. Normaly A civil union. It is a blessing nothing more! Been that way for 900 hundred years! It was used to protect christians from the haters. So to change the definition to a union is just A hatefull attack against christians.So gay marriage NO that depends on the religion that is giving the blessing!! Civil union YES!! Contract Union NO!If you get married you don't get to chouse witch rules or laws you wish to follow. Your ither married or your not!(kiss)Keep It Simple Stupid!
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@18 - What the hell are you rambling about? Learn how to speak English properly before you try to make a point.
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But isn't everything in the cartoon above, and more, answered in this video?.
http://youtu.be/8cQCi4ehXkg
From a public policy perspective, how are same sex relationships different than tennis partners or drinking buddies?
http://youtu.be/8cQCi4ehXkg
From a public policy perspective, how are same sex relationships different than tennis partners or drinking buddies?
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The argument for “traditional marriage” can be combated by the fact that the purpose and definition of marriage has changed over time and is different across cultures. So to who's "tradition" are they referring? This article by an anthropologist gives a few examples of how the traditions around marriage varies greatly in different communities:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/american-a…
In other cultures, marriage is “often a political and economic arrangement between groups rather than a personal arrangement between individuals.” Even for most of Western history, marriage was a pragmatic matter of business arranged between families.
Here’s more information on the history of marriage: http://zeus4.cms.hu-berlin.de/sexology/A…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/american-a…
In other cultures, marriage is “often a political and economic arrangement between groups rather than a personal arrangement between individuals.” Even for most of Western history, marriage was a pragmatic matter of business arranged between families.
Here’s more information on the history of marriage: http://zeus4.cms.hu-berlin.de/sexology/A…
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The argument for “traditional marriage” can be combated by the fact that the purpose and definition of marriage has changed over time and is different across cultures. This article by an anthropologist gives a few examples of how the traditions around marriage varies greatly in different communities:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/american-a…
In other cultures, marriage is “often a political and economic arrangement between groups rather than a personal arrangement between individuals.” Even for most of Western history, marriage was a pragmatic matter of business arranged between families.
Here’s more information on the history of marriage: http://zeus4.cms.hu-berlin.de/sexology/A…
The argument for “traditional marriage” can be combated by the fact that the purpose and definition of marriage has changed over time and is different across cultures. This article by an anthropologist gives a few examples of how the traditions around marriage varies greatly in different communities:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/american-a…
In other cultures, marriage is “often a political and economic arrangement between groups rather than a personal arrangement between individuals.” Even for most of Western history, marriage was a pragmatic matter of business arranged between families.
Here’s more information on the history of marriage: http://zeus4.cms.hu-berlin.de/sexology/A…
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A great illustration of the separate and unequal status resides in my wallet right now. In order to ensure my domestic partnership rights are recognized, I have to carry around a card that a hospital could demand to see. No one demands to see a marriage certificate for straight spouses. Marriage means something.
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