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STEVEN WEISSMAN
I am a big ol' Fatty McFatterson. Let the ignorant hate mail begin. I had a pretty shitty childhood; food was my escape. I didn't run to alcohol or hard drugs like other addicts. Obviously, I made the wrong choices in life. Change is a long road. HOWEVER, society doesn't need to keep making me feel like shit for it. Do you think your malicious words or evil glances help? If your goal is to push me to suicide, you're fresh out of luck. Pain brought me to food; it will DEFINITELY keep me there. You want fewer fat people? End the abuse and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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I hate to say it Anon, but you sound really spoiled. At least you can afford to stuff yourself to death. People are rude all the time, using society as an excuse for your bad habits is childish.
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Sounds like someone needs to get off their, most likely squashed, high horse! Maybe people wouldn't treat you the way they do if you were not such a fucking heffer. As far as this fitness minded person is, you ate yourself into that role. You wanna fix it? Put down the tub of lard, and move your fat ass.... preferably in the direction of a gym
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So instead taking the responsibility for your actions and attacking the pain that causes you to eat you would rather blame and attack everyone else.
Got it.
Got it.
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Err, I thought I, Anonymus was a place to vent. Vent she did, you all can shut the fuck up! Hey Anonymus, put down that pizza and go for a walk!
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@5 - the gender of the anonymous writer was not disclosed. Your choice to make Fatty McFatterson a woman speaks volumes about you.
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Evil glances could be given for any number of reasons. Maybe you stink. Maybe you're wearing a hateful look on your own face. Maybe you look like someone everyone hates from a reality show you've never seen. But guess what. Your childhood is over and gone. Excusing your past behavior means excusing more of the same in the future. Saying everyone else in the world needs to be nicer before you can improve your life is saying you'll never try to improve anything because we all know this society you speak of will never be as nice as you need. Be nice to yourself for once.
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AWWW BOOO HOOO! Laziness and gluttony are no reason for people to feel sorry for you. If you are upset about the jeers you recieve from society, youre the only one who can change it. Season after season, I watch the biggest loser. These people are motivated enough to change themselves. you on the other hand want to grovel in your own self misery and blame society for it. Talk to a psychologist and work out your issues instead of blaming other people for your lack of change. Its no ones problem but your own.
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Everyone needs to be civil - rude people are the bane of American Society. Being Rude is not a lifestyle folks, or a smart choice, it just exposes your mental weaknesses to everyone.
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@2 spoiled? poverty => obesity. But yeah, I get where you are coming from with the whole society isn't exactly nice comment. This forum is an example of that.
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Everybody has things they can improve about themselves, and nobody deserves to be ridiculed for them. I'm fairly skinny now after going vegetarian and cutting out fast food, but in middle school to high school I was thirty pounds overweight for two years, and was teased pretty constantly. I'd hate to have to go through that my entire life, so I can empathize.
Now there are other things I need to or probably should do, hopefully before I'm 30 (quit cigarettes, drink less, switch to edibles). I'll get to them. Or I won't.
Now there are other things I need to or probably should do, hopefully before I'm 30 (quit cigarettes, drink less, switch to edibles). I'll get to them. Or I won't.
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I love all the people here who continue to pile on the abuse. You probably think you're immune to anyone doing it to you since your health habits are so exemplary, but karma's a motherfucker. I sincerely hope you get to enjoy the experience of having a bunch of complete strangers berate you and condescend to you for some equally stupid and trivial aspect of your useless, self-hating, other-hating lives.
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17: Hey, if you don't want the abuse don't troll for it on I Anonymous. Are we supposed to feel sorry for a person who's obviously seeking attention? Certainly this person realized that people would pile on. Their message is pretty much begging for it. Don't like the shit storm, don't post on I Anonymous.
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I'd like to thank all the posters other than #12 and #17 for proving "Anon"s point.
Really, guys, if somebody else is fat, why is it any of YOUR business? Nobody owes it to YOU to be thin. SO back off already.
It's been proven, over and over again, that humiliating the overweight NEVER causes them to lose weight.
Besides, I doubt if much of anybody here is Height-Weight-Proportionate(or, technically, we ALL are...it's just that the proportion varies).
There are a lot of things people have a right to be angry about in this society...somebody else's weight is never one of them.
Stop wasting your time and energy hating people for something that has no effect on you and is none of you fucking business.
We are ALL badly messed up in some way or another...we all have some kind of flaws...nobody is entitled to judge when it comes to things like this.
And no "It's I, Anonymous-what do you expect?" doesn't cut it. Free speech doesn't include the right to inflict unlimited pain on others.
Really, guys, if somebody else is fat, why is it any of YOUR business? Nobody owes it to YOU to be thin. SO back off already.
It's been proven, over and over again, that humiliating the overweight NEVER causes them to lose weight.
Besides, I doubt if much of anybody here is Height-Weight-Proportionate(or, technically, we ALL are...it's just that the proportion varies).
There are a lot of things people have a right to be angry about in this society...somebody else's weight is never one of them.
Stop wasting your time and energy hating people for something that has no effect on you and is none of you fucking business.
We are ALL badly messed up in some way or another...we all have some kind of flaws...nobody is entitled to judge when it comes to things like this.
And no "It's I, Anonymous-what do you expect?" doesn't cut it. Free speech doesn't include the right to inflict unlimited pain on others.
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The hypocrisy here is staggering. Consider the following:
Each older brother a boy has increases his chance of being gay 20-50%.
Having an obese parent increases your chance of being obese 80%.
Being obese is just as much... no, less.. a choice than being gay is.
But here, bullying of the former is bad, but the latter deserve it.
Each older brother a boy has increases his chance of being gay 20-50%.
Having an obese parent increases your chance of being obese 80%.
Being obese is just as much... no, less.. a choice than being gay is.
But here, bullying of the former is bad, but the latter deserve it.
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... but is that because of genetics, or because the obese parent passed along the eating/lifestyle habits that got them that way?
Likely a little of each... everyone should be cut some slack for factors they have no control over, but that doesn't extend to blaming genetics for the need to eat that second box of twinkies.
Likely a little of each... everyone should be cut some slack for factors they have no control over, but that doesn't extend to blaming genetics for the need to eat that second box of twinkies.
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@21 reminds us to consider environmental factors and the pernicious temptation to label something a "choice" and then heap on abuse. If you find yourself assuming someone chose to be a certain way and then using that to judge, just do us all a favor and question your motives. At least then when you sound like an asshole, I'll know you chose to be one :-)
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@6... maybe @5 looked atbthe stoopid picture of a fat CHICK when he/she used the 'she'......not everything in the world is the result of sexism
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Weird about how uncomfortable it makes some people to be asked for a little harmless compassion.
Are some folks scared now of NOT being total bastards?
It's creepy as fuck if that's true...and it can't lead to anything good for the world for kindness to be seen as the same as weakness.
Are some folks scared now of NOT being total bastards?
It's creepy as fuck if that's true...and it can't lead to anything good for the world for kindness to be seen as the same as weakness.
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I just want to ask does insulting and abusing someone cause them to lose weight and keep it off? If not why do it?
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Typical! Make it everyone else's fault! I was overweight too but I did something about it! And now I'm thin, worked out and I don't mindlessly shuffle in the middle of narrow hallways and sidewalks not letting people by me so I can feel better by feeling sorry for myself!
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One of the hallmarks of the addict is blaming others for their difficulties and copping huge resentments towards them, then relieving the pain using the "drug of choice", sounds like that's still the case here. One of the hallmarks of recovery is accepting and loving one's self regardless of the conditions and the opinions of others, sounds like that hasn't kicked in yet, hope it does.
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Okay, Fatty McFatterson. Sorry about your childhood! But you're an adult now. Part of the fun and not so much fun of being an adult is meeting your challenges and overcoming the odds when the cards are not stacked in your favor.
Humanity will never drop negative judgments. So that can’t be a crutch. Unhealthy food is your vice but so is self-pity. You can overcome both but it is entirely up to you. Go for it.
Humanity will never drop negative judgments. So that can’t be a crutch. Unhealthy food is your vice but so is self-pity. You can overcome both but it is entirely up to you. Go for it.
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I didn't run to alcohol or hard drugs like other addicts.
So, it's ok to look down on the drug/alcohol addicts but not the food addicts?
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@5 - the gender of the anonymous writer was not disclosed. Your choice to make Fatty McFatterson a woman speaks volumes about you.
So what does not noticing the illustration next to the article say about you?
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@6 Your lack of observation of the accompanying drawing to make Fatty McFatterson a woman says a lot about your power of observations.
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She never said she was fat bitch because of society she said she was fat bitch because thats how she deals with her problems. People shouldn't judge her for being and she isn't a zombie so who are they judging. Most everyone I know is on one and to see someone who isn't is refreshing. Even though she is fat she's still a human being with feelings and no one is perfect. I'm not fat but I know people who are and they just can't help it. Instead of judging her how about we lift her spirits and help her believe she deserves a better life.
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It's as if a lot of people in this thread are addicted to being total jerkwads.
"Anon" was asking for a little sympathy...not your fucking VISA cards.
Being less vicious to other people isn't going to cost anybody anything.
And again, if somebody else has a weight problem, it isn't YOUR business and you're not entitled to be mean to them. It doesn't affect you. Getting that is NOT rocket science, people.
"Anon" was asking for a little sympathy...not your fucking VISA cards.
Being less vicious to other people isn't going to cost anybody anything.
And again, if somebody else has a weight problem, it isn't YOUR business and you're not entitled to be mean to them. It doesn't affect you. Getting that is NOT rocket science, people.
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Anon, if it makes you feel better, the fit people I know are also some of the most boring people I know. They focus so much on their appearance that it becomes the only thing they talk about. I hang out with a lot of fitness types and they drive me up the wall.
I'm thin myself, but only because I spend an hour a night at the gym, an hour that I could be using to do something interesting. And I only do it so I can look good for my husband, which is ridiculously superficial. I only have four hours a night between work and sleep. I spend two hours cooking and one hour at the gym. It's bullshit.
I'm sorry people are so heartless toward you, but these self righteous muscle heads can fuck off, because they are BORING as shit and all the muscle tone in the world won't change that.
I'm thin myself, but only because I spend an hour a night at the gym, an hour that I could be using to do something interesting. And I only do it so I can look good for my husband, which is ridiculously superficial. I only have four hours a night between work and sleep. I spend two hours cooking and one hour at the gym. It's bullshit.
I'm sorry people are so heartless toward you, but these self righteous muscle heads can fuck off, because they are BORING as shit and all the muscle tone in the world won't change that.
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@ all the idiots who say other's obesity isn't the rest of society's problem. Look at health care costs in this country, which balloon out much like I Anon waist line thanks to unhealthy entitled tubs or lard. Also, being stuck behind them in a hallway, listening to them breath loud in a lobby, or being squashed against the wall on a 3 hour flight and watching the fat(but really very nice)lady next to you consume 2 whole meals and a snack, SUCKS!
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#41 You'd have lost weight anyway. You didn't NEED to be shamed. Nobody does when it comes to this.
There's simply no good reason for anyone to waste their time being angry about somebody else's weight. Not your body-not your business.
A shame-and-rage based world is a world without hope.
There's simply no good reason for anyone to waste their time being angry about somebody else's weight. Not your body-not your business.
A shame-and-rage based world is a world without hope.
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Yes 41 high health care costs are solely the fault of the overweight. It has nothing to do with multitudes of people far more invested in wringing money out of the sick then actually helping.
Also hate to break it to you but eventually we're all going to get old and sick. All the green beans in the world won't change that. And when it happens I'm willing to bet that you will be the one asking for compassion.
Also hate to break it to you but eventually we're all going to get old and sick. All the green beans in the world won't change that. And when it happens I'm willing to bet that you will be the one asking for compassion.
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These people have no compassion here, I Anon. They are the truly sub-human ones. But do not worry too much about them. Extinction is an absolute certainty. And prior to that their own extinction is an absolute certainty. You must see all the cowards for what they are. Cowards. Heartless fucking cowards. One must detach themselves from these silly fools and create their own meaning. Please, I Anon, create your own meaning. And burn the words of fools as they speak them.
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You could always try ignoring those mean comments and working on improving yourself. Society isn't just going to up and stop having standards for its members just because those standards exclude you.
Think Occam's Razor: Is it easier to change yourself, or to change the opinions and attitudes of everybody else around you?
Think Occam's Razor: Is it easier to change yourself, or to change the opinions and attitudes of everybody else around you?
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Being obscenely fat is a choice. It's not like being gay. There are gay people everywhere, even in Iran, Uganda, and places like that. There are not fat people everywhere. There are disgusting fat people only in wealthy countries where people have no idea how to live.
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Dear Fatty: I'm an ex-fatty: I worked as hard as I could to gain access to health insurance, and I had the gastric bypass. I remain a bit overweight but my fat no longer endangers my life. People treat me a lot nicer. I find myself marveling at how free of shame a day can be, now that others aren't judging me harshly or cruelly sneering at me.
The emotional and physical pain of obesity are really profound, and the judgemental cruel assholes of the world will always sneer. When I see an obese person my heart swells with tenderness and compassion for their daily struggle. Not everyone hates you or judges you. Maybe you should try not hating or judging yourself. And, consider the surgery. The pain is a lot less now.
The emotional and physical pain of obesity are really profound, and the judgemental cruel assholes of the world will always sneer. When I see an obese person my heart swells with tenderness and compassion for their daily struggle. Not everyone hates you or judges you. Maybe you should try not hating or judging yourself. And, consider the surgery. The pain is a lot less now.
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Cracking up. I just had an almost identical conversation about transgendered women.
They might be predisposed to be effeminate, but if they put effort into it and want to change they can learn to accept their bodies and cure their desires to mangle their genitals. But that involves uncomfortably confronting their issues through talk therapy.
So like a lardass continuing to eat, many men afflicted with Gender Identity Dysmorphia develop this martyr complex. They drown their pain in buying women's clothes and makeup that just makes them look further ridiculous, tell lies that even they don't believe and act in overt hostility towards everybody, like this fatty.
They might be predisposed to be effeminate, but if they put effort into it and want to change they can learn to accept their bodies and cure their desires to mangle their genitals. But that involves uncomfortably confronting their issues through talk therapy.
So like a lardass continuing to eat, many men afflicted with Gender Identity Dysmorphia develop this martyr complex. They drown their pain in buying women's clothes and makeup that just makes them look further ridiculous, tell lies that even they don't believe and act in overt hostility towards everybody, like this fatty.
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#49 I really, really doubt that that transwoman will ever want to have a conversation with you again, if you expressed any of those feelings to her.
People who are trans pretty much have to work towards gender reassignment. They can't "Get over it" with therapy, and no serious therapist would take on a trans person on to do what YOU say they should do.
Also, even if we accept the argument that people with weight problems are the cause of increasing health care costs and everything else that makes people miserable(which is bullshit, but I'll indulge the body fascists on this for a moment)no other person is adversely affected at all by the decision of a transwoman or transman to go through gender reassignment. It's their genitals and(more importantly)it's their life, not YOURS.
Oh, and don't use words like "fatty". It's hate speech. It's none of you're business if somebody else is fat, and it's none of your business if somebody else is trans. You have an obligation to either accept them or at least keep your hate to yourself.
People who are trans pretty much have to work towards gender reassignment. They can't "Get over it" with therapy, and no serious therapist would take on a trans person on to do what YOU say they should do.
Also, even if we accept the argument that people with weight problems are the cause of increasing health care costs and everything else that makes people miserable(which is bullshit, but I'll indulge the body fascists on this for a moment)no other person is adversely affected at all by the decision of a transwoman or transman to go through gender reassignment. It's their genitals and(more importantly)it's their life, not YOURS.
Oh, and don't use words like "fatty". It's hate speech. It's none of you're business if somebody else is fat, and it's none of your business if somebody else is trans. You have an obligation to either accept them or at least keep your hate to yourself.
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Since GID sufferers are covered by insurance and medicaid and prisons, they ARE raising healthcare costs and taxes. If their medically unnecessary, life-risking surgery has complications, then guess who is paying for that. Who is paying for their hormones for the rest of their miserable lives?
The fact is, with mere talk therapy, the vast majority of boys with GID grow up to be gay men. As the condition gains public awareness and diagnostic procedures become more accurate, most people with GID will be cured before adulthood and adult transgendered will become as rare as lobotomy patients are in our current time.
The fact is, with mere talk therapy, the vast majority of boys with GID grow up to be gay men. As the condition gains public awareness and diagnostic procedures become more accurate, most people with GID will be cured before adulthood and adult transgendered will become as rare as lobotomy patients are in our current time.
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Since GID sufferers are covered by insurance and medicaid and prisons, they ARE raising healthcare costs and taxes. If their medically unnecessary, life-risking surgery has complications, then guess who is paying for that. Who is paying for their hormones for the rest of their miserable lives?
The fact is, with mere talk therapy, the vast majority of boys with GID grow up to be gay men. As awareness of the disease grows and diagnostic tests become more accurate, most Gender Identity Dysmorphia sufferers will be cured as children and adult transgendered will be as rare as lobotomy patients in our current time, aging relics of a more barbaric era.
The fact is, with mere talk therapy, the vast majority of boys with GID grow up to be gay men. As awareness of the disease grows and diagnostic tests become more accurate, most Gender Identity Dysmorphia sufferers will be cured as children and adult transgendered will be as rare as lobotomy patients in our current time, aging relics of a more barbaric era.
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OK...do you have anything to back that statement up with statistically?
If you're not a therapist or a physician, do you speak with ANY authority on the what GID sufferers go through or what they really need?
And how do you know that it doesn't cause higher health costs to force transmen and transwomen to struggle through life in the gender they aren't supposed to be in? Many of these people develop various substance abuse problems from the stress of being non-cis. Logically, that should cause as many increases in healthcare costs as gender reassignment, if not far more.
And why do you put the healthcare cost issue solely on individual behavior and decisions, while leaving corporate greed and a lack of regulation on prices entirely out of it? Before Obama's healthcare bill passed, the majority of operational expenses pharmaceutical companies incurred(and, unfortunately, this will remain the case until the measure actually goes into effect in 2014)were for advertising, not research and development as should have been the case. Yet that doesn't matter to you...while defending your right to hate people with weight issues and people with GID is a cause you will apparently fight for to the death.
You'll defend our corporate overlords to the bitter end, while fighting valiantly for your right to be a body and gender fascist. Why are you so loyal to such a deeply misplaced set of values?
If you're not a therapist or a physician, do you speak with ANY authority on the what GID sufferers go through or what they really need?
And how do you know that it doesn't cause higher health costs to force transmen and transwomen to struggle through life in the gender they aren't supposed to be in? Many of these people develop various substance abuse problems from the stress of being non-cis. Logically, that should cause as many increases in healthcare costs as gender reassignment, if not far more.
And why do you put the healthcare cost issue solely on individual behavior and decisions, while leaving corporate greed and a lack of regulation on prices entirely out of it? Before Obama's healthcare bill passed, the majority of operational expenses pharmaceutical companies incurred(and, unfortunately, this will remain the case until the measure actually goes into effect in 2014)were for advertising, not research and development as should have been the case. Yet that doesn't matter to you...while defending your right to hate people with weight issues and people with GID is a cause you will apparently fight for to the death.
You'll defend our corporate overlords to the bitter end, while fighting valiantly for your right to be a body and gender fascist. Why are you so loyal to such a deeply misplaced set of values?
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Your disgusting fatness IS slow suicide,I can't wait till your fat-ass has an MI and dies in the cath lab.
Sadly the tax payer will most likely be the ones to pay your bill.
@50
It is certainly my business when I have to look at your sweaty disgusting body, let alone smell your stinky yeasty folds. It is my business when it takes 6 of us to lift your corpse to the gurney for transfer to the morgue, and it is my business that obesity is raising healthcare cost for everyone. The only part about being fat that is your business is your lack of self respect.
Sadly the tax payer will most likely be the ones to pay your bill.
@50
It is certainly my business when I have to look at your sweaty disgusting body, let alone smell your stinky yeasty folds. It is my business when it takes 6 of us to lift your corpse to the gurney for transfer to the morgue, and it is my business that obesity is raising healthcare cost for everyone. The only part about being fat that is your business is your lack of self respect.
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#54 No, other people's bodies aren't your business-and it's been proven, over and over again, that humiliating people with weight problems doesn't cause them to lose weight(it does cause some of them to commit suicide...which you it sounds like you'd prefer them to do, since you've denied the humanity of anyone who doesn't meet your arbitrary standards of physical perfection(btw...do you treat the anorexic and the bulimic like this?...after all, you often end up looking at their emaciated bodies and vomit-coated faces too, and their body issues also increase health care costs).
What part of "don't hate people who've done nothing to you" do you not get?
All you have the right to be concerned about in this is your OWN body. Since most Americans are overweight to some degree, you probably aren't even entitled to post what you just posted.
All "Anon" was asking was to be left alone and not made miserable by complete strangers. Everyone has the right to ask that, in a decent society.
It remains depressing that so many people in this thread are fighting for the right to hate and judge. Why not put your energy to use, instead, on actually doing something to make life better in some small way?
Oh, and you don't HAVE to look at overweight people(and most would rather you not look at them). So, if nothing else, back off. You're not entitled to crush other people's souls.
What part of "don't hate people who've done nothing to you" do you not get?
All you have the right to be concerned about in this is your OWN body. Since most Americans are overweight to some degree, you probably aren't even entitled to post what you just posted.
All "Anon" was asking was to be left alone and not made miserable by complete strangers. Everyone has the right to ask that, in a decent society.
It remains depressing that so many people in this thread are fighting for the right to hate and judge. Why not put your energy to use, instead, on actually doing something to make life better in some small way?
Oh, and you don't HAVE to look at overweight people(and most would rather you not look at them). So, if nothing else, back off. You're not entitled to crush other people's souls.
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@55
I work in an ER and have to lift your fat asses, as well as watch you die from the various diseases you have caused through your gluttony and laziness. Moving disgusting fatbodies has caused severe injury to a few of my coworkers, it has also injured EMS and Fire personnel.
"Your own body" stops when it enters my ER doors. Also I can count the anorexic patients on one hand, but counting the landwhales would be like counting grains of sand on the beach.
Obesity is the NUMBER ONE preventable cause of death in this country, anorexia and bulima barely make the radar.
BTW I am entitled to talk shit my BMI is 23 and I work to keep it there. Sure I could suck down sodas and ice cream while watching TV and be a fat lazy mess, but I would rather not do that to my health or society.
I don't want fat people to kill themselves, I want them to have self esteem and live healthy long lives. besides It is really hard to move a fat corpse, and believe me everyone who has to move it is going to talk shit on your fat dead ass. I always say "If you do only one good thing in this life leave a skinny corpse, the people that have to move you will appreciate it."
I work in an ER and have to lift your fat asses, as well as watch you die from the various diseases you have caused through your gluttony and laziness. Moving disgusting fatbodies has caused severe injury to a few of my coworkers, it has also injured EMS and Fire personnel.
"Your own body" stops when it enters my ER doors. Also I can count the anorexic patients on one hand, but counting the landwhales would be like counting grains of sand on the beach.
Obesity is the NUMBER ONE preventable cause of death in this country, anorexia and bulima barely make the radar.
BTW I am entitled to talk shit my BMI is 23 and I work to keep it there. Sure I could suck down sodas and ice cream while watching TV and be a fat lazy mess, but I would rather not do that to my health or society.
I don't want fat people to kill themselves, I want them to have self esteem and live healthy long lives. besides It is really hard to move a fat corpse, and believe me everyone who has to move it is going to talk shit on your fat dead ass. I always say "If you do only one good thing in this life leave a skinny corpse, the people that have to move you will appreciate it."
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#56. No, you are NOT "entitled to talk shit". People with weight issues are human beings. You don't KNOW what led each of them to the situation they are in now.
The attitude you bring to this discussion can't cause anything positive to happen.
If you left it at encouraging people to get healthy in a positive way, that would be fine, but you don't. You are dehumanizing people just because they aren't your body type. Nobody is ever entitled to do that.
And if this is the way you feel about a large sector of the human race, you should GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION. Respect for the common humanity of all is something that should be expected of people in that line of work. You, by contrast, would be a far better fit for Dr. Mengele's research staff.
Try growing a soul sometime.
The attitude you bring to this discussion can't cause anything positive to happen.
If you left it at encouraging people to get healthy in a positive way, that would be fine, but you don't. You are dehumanizing people just because they aren't your body type. Nobody is ever entitled to do that.
And if this is the way you feel about a large sector of the human race, you should GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION. Respect for the common humanity of all is something that should be expected of people in that line of work. You, by contrast, would be a far better fit for Dr. Mengele's research staff.
Try growing a soul sometime.
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It is, indeed, my business that my tax dollars go to pay for SSD benefits, food stamps, medical care and subsidized housing for these people who have created their disability. Yes, they have an addiction. So do I, but I go to work everyday, I pay my own rent, do mostly without medical and dental, and I pay for my own crack and heroin. It pisses me off when I see an obese person in a "mobility device" leaving the grocery store with the cargo basket on the back of their scooter loaded with nothing but CRAP- 2-liter bottles of soda pop, boxes of Little Debbie snacks, bags of chips, etc. The government pillages my paychecks to pay for these people to sit on their ass and use their drug of choice (food). The system sanctions this behavior; no way would I ever get paid to stay home and do dope the taxpayers bought for me, and we shouldn't do it for food addicts, either.
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@ AlaskanbutnotSeanParnell
Your obdurate insistence that "other people's bodies aren't your business" argument is tired and bloated like Fatty McFatterson after a day of being in the real world. As 56 said,"Obesity is the NUMBER ONE preventable cause of death in this country", I'm guessing behind smoking and that's only because we've castigated and ostracized it to such excess extent. Maybe we, as responsibe members of society who take the time to stay in shape, and have the mental fortitude to not binge eat like a slug in a springtime garden, should ban fat people from bars!
Your obdurate insistence that "other people's bodies aren't your business" argument is tired and bloated like Fatty McFatterson after a day of being in the real world. As 56 said,"Obesity is the NUMBER ONE preventable cause of death in this country", I'm guessing behind smoking and that's only because we've castigated and ostracized it to such excess extent. Maybe we, as responsibe members of society who take the time to stay in shape, and have the mental fortitude to not binge eat like a slug in a springtime garden, should ban fat people from bars!
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FUCK. you are so full of shit, bitchkitty. i'm gonna take you to SCHOOL.
i am obese. when i was employed, my obesity did not affect my job performance, nor did it need extensive medical services. when i went to the swedish hospital weight loss services clinic, i paid for it OUT OF MY OWN MONEY.
now i am unemployed. i do get not a cent of unemployment. i manage to live very simply on my savings. i am extremely fortunate that my mortgage payment is very low. i do not have medicaid or medicare. i pay for my prescription medications myself. in other words, not all fat people mooch off the government or eat junk food.
and even though i come up against attitudes like yours all the time, whether in person or on the interwebs, i don't drown my sorrows in soda (gave that up years ago) or dick's burgers (long time vegetarian). i say to myself 'i know who i am, and that is enough.' so think twice, mizz bitch, before you condemn someone, because that is definitely a two way street. and leave kitties out of this.
i am obese. when i was employed, my obesity did not affect my job performance, nor did it need extensive medical services. when i went to the swedish hospital weight loss services clinic, i paid for it OUT OF MY OWN MONEY.
now i am unemployed. i do get not a cent of unemployment. i manage to live very simply on my savings. i am extremely fortunate that my mortgage payment is very low. i do not have medicaid or medicare. i pay for my prescription medications myself. in other words, not all fat people mooch off the government or eat junk food.
and even though i come up against attitudes like yours all the time, whether in person or on the interwebs, i don't drown my sorrows in soda (gave that up years ago) or dick's burgers (long time vegetarian). i say to myself 'i know who i am, and that is enough.' so think twice, mizz bitch, before you condemn someone, because that is definitely a two way street. and leave kitties out of this.
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I spent 6 months in Taiwan and didn't even realize there were no porkers around until the moment I hopped off the plane back in the states. God that was depressing.
Pop quiz: The 10 least educated, most right wing states are also the 10 _______ states.
Pop quiz: The 10 least educated, most right wing states are also the 10 _______ states.
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It really isn't the case that by being cruel to someone on Tuesday that they will magically be transformed into someone more pleasing to your eye by Wednesday. So by being cruel to someone for their appearance nothing is accomplished except for making another person's day a little worse. I can't understand why that would be satisfying to a well-adjusted human being. In fact, I know it would not. And so if someone is intentionally cruel or judgmental about someone else because of their appearance that tells me that the person is likely unhappy with themselves for a variety of reasons.
It could be the case that people who enjoy making other people feel awful are just sociopaths anyway. Perhaps your weight, Anon, is like a magic cloak. It helps reveal who the worthless scumbag people are right away!
Self righteous sneering jack asses are always jackasses to everyone they know. It just takes awhile for their unfortunate acquaintances and friends to be victimized by them just as you are in your daily encounters.
It could be the case that people who enjoy making other people feel awful are just sociopaths anyway. Perhaps your weight, Anon, is like a magic cloak. It helps reveal who the worthless scumbag people are right away!
Self righteous sneering jack asses are always jackasses to everyone they know. It just takes awhile for their unfortunate acquaintances and friends to be victimized by them just as you are in your daily encounters.
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I think the real issue here is much simpler. There is, and always will be, a portion of people that wish to hate others based on arbitrary qualities. They have a need to feel superior to someone, and since actually improving upon oneself requires effort, they turn to hate to make someone else lower than them.
Now they could always say something like, "Well I'm better than serial killers cause last time I checked Im not one." This however runs into the problems of not only a small percentage of the population being serial killers, but your casual contact with the same is limited thus providing for few and far between episodes of hate. Also, if you make fun of a serial killer there is a greater than average chance they'll shank you.
So, what are they to do? Actually getting to know people would take far to much time and then you run the risk of actually liking them. Much easier to simply hate a class of people based solely on a trait.
Use to be you could be racist, but that's not socially acceptable anymore. Use to be you could hate on the gays with impunity, not so much now. However, hating on overweight people still seems to be in open season so why not?
Before anyone gets all fired up about the struggle of this group not being the same as that group, save it. Read my post, no where do I make any claims about that. Rather I'm point out that there is always a percentage of people that have the need to hate others based solely on an easily identified trait to make themselves feel better. They'll use weak and flimsy excuses to cover their hate, but its still blind unjustified hate.
Also before the trolls ask, I use to weigh 265 lbs, I now weigh 185. I feel no need to pressure other overweight people. I care nothing for what a persons weight is, Id rather see them be healthy and happy. If the weight comes off because they are being more healthy, good, but it shouldn't be the goal to lose weight because we need everyone to conform to some number.
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Now they could always say something like, "Well I'm better than serial killers cause last time I checked Im not one." This however runs into the problems of not only a small percentage of the population being serial killers, but your casual contact with the same is limited thus providing for few and far between episodes of hate. Also, if you make fun of a serial killer there is a greater than average chance they'll shank you.
So, what are they to do? Actually getting to know people would take far to much time and then you run the risk of actually liking them. Much easier to simply hate a class of people based solely on a trait.
Use to be you could be racist, but that's not socially acceptable anymore. Use to be you could hate on the gays with impunity, not so much now. However, hating on overweight people still seems to be in open season so why not?
Before anyone gets all fired up about the struggle of this group not being the same as that group, save it. Read my post, no where do I make any claims about that. Rather I'm point out that there is always a percentage of people that have the need to hate others based solely on an easily identified trait to make themselves feel better. They'll use weak and flimsy excuses to cover their hate, but its still blind unjustified hate.
Also before the trolls ask, I use to weigh 265 lbs, I now weigh 185. I feel no need to pressure other overweight people. I care nothing for what a persons weight is, Id rather see them be healthy and happy. If the weight comes off because they are being more healthy, good, but it shouldn't be the goal to lose weight because we need everyone to conform to some number.
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@10 no one but her doctor should demand that she change. There is such a thing as minding your own business. When did everyone get it into their heads that we have to comment on everything everybody ever does?
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@60 smokers were not banned from bars to help them quit smoking. They were banned from bars because everyone else wanted to be able to go to a bar without breathing in cigarette smoke.
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Scary, I realize not everyone who is obese is a mooch or slacker- just as there are heroin addicts (me, for example) who are productive members of society. However, there are MANY obese persons who are disabled only because of their size, and they are only big because of their lifestyle, i.e. overeating, underactivity. Why is it these folks are given a disability check, food stamps, etc and not required to do anything to get control of their addiction? Any alcoholic or drug addict seeking public assistance based on their addiction is required to go to treatment, piss clean, and ultimately reverse their status as a burden on society. The benefits they receive are TEMPORARY and CONDITIONAL. Addiction is no excuse to live off the sweat equity of those of us (YOU and ME) who work for a living, and I myself cannot imagine claiming such entitlement. Yet, food addiction is not addressed the same as booze or drug habits. It would be outrageous for me to expect society to support me and buy my drugs for me, for the rest of my life, and I cannot wrap my head around it that being too fat to work as a result of one's own excess is any different.
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@61, yer on fire!
Great. Another forum for people to talk about how they're better than other people for reasons involving money and food.
@67 I see your points, but I fear your stance has turned into a general hostility/discrimination of all fat people. And if you have this attitude to everyone you suspect of being a food addict who is taking your hard earned tax dollars, you might just be missing out on some really awesome people and also hurting a lot of people. Also, if you are so concerned about where your taxes are going, stop hating your fellow average American and start railing against the industries which fun war and weaponry. More of your taxes go to them, but of course, that doesn't leave you a physical enemy to feel superior to, which I suspect you kind of enjoy having.
Great. Another forum for people to talk about how they're better than other people for reasons involving money and food.
@67 I see your points, but I fear your stance has turned into a general hostility/discrimination of all fat people. And if you have this attitude to everyone you suspect of being a food addict who is taking your hard earned tax dollars, you might just be missing out on some really awesome people and also hurting a lot of people. Also, if you are so concerned about where your taxes are going, stop hating your fellow average American and start railing against the industries which fun war and weaponry. More of your taxes go to them, but of course, that doesn't leave you a physical enemy to feel superior to, which I suspect you kind of enjoy having.
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@66 smoking was banned in bars as part of the anti-ciggarette campaign, thus to get people to stop smoking.
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It's far easier to lose hate than lose weight. You can drop all the hate in ONE day. And you'll feel better immediately.
Side effects include increased happiness, calmness, lower blood pressure, reduced facial muscle fatigue, and longer life. If this gives you an erection lasting four hours or longer, none of us wants to know.
Side effects include increased happiness, calmness, lower blood pressure, reduced facial muscle fatigue, and longer life. If this gives you an erection lasting four hours or longer, none of us wants to know.
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If Anon knows she made the wrong choices, why get all bent out of shape when others bring it to your attention. You want freedom? Accept responsibility. But most of all quit crying about it!
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#60. It's silly to compare banning overweight people from bars as smokers were banned.
Nobody's going to gain weight just from standing NEXT to a larger person. There's no such thing as "secondhand fat".
Nobody's going to gain weight just from standing NEXT to a larger person. There's no such thing as "secondhand fat".
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#74 no one has the "responsibility" to take verbal abuse from anyone.
Anon only harmed herself. She didn't harm any of the people who gave her hateful looks or anyone who has posted here.
And as to healthcare costs...they've gone up as much as anything else because of corporate greed(Big Pharma(the drug industry)and Big Forma(the Medical-Industrial complex comprising both the insurance industry and corporate hospitals)both went on a massive price-gouging binge after the Clinton healthcare plan was defeated in the Nineties, and we can assume the same thing will happen next year if Romney succeeds in buying the election), not because of what anybody has for dinner. Stop blindly accepting corporate propaganda. Don't attack individuals while letting institutions off the hook.
If you want do something positive to help people get healthier
1)Accept them as they are first(people who are accepted and happy are more likely to make positive change than people who are treated like shit);
2)Do something to help with the problem of poor access to nutritional food in many neighborhood(there are a lot of areas where, due to the "redlining" policies of the past and various racial and ethnic prejudices) there isn't a grocery store. Help organize farmer's markets or food co-ops so people in those areas can get access to real food at decent prices. Help set up community gardens as well.
3)Possibly you could offer to go to people's homes and help them start an exercise program, or you could help set up a "shame-free" exercise space where people could start getting healthier without getting disdainful looks and attitudes from the muscle Nazis that dominate most gyms.
4)Maybe, if nothing else, make friends with these people. A lot of folks overeat to self-medicate for loneliness and despair(it's possible that the preservatives in some foods have an antidepressant effect when combined, but I'm not sure).
These are a few things that COULD help, if you simply can't stand the sight of people who aren't physically exactly like you.
Hate, spite, contempt and demands for conformity can't, however.
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Anon only harmed herself. She didn't harm any of the people who gave her hateful looks or anyone who has posted here.
And as to healthcare costs...they've gone up as much as anything else because of corporate greed(Big Pharma(the drug industry)and Big Forma(the Medical-Industrial complex comprising both the insurance industry and corporate hospitals)both went on a massive price-gouging binge after the Clinton healthcare plan was defeated in the Nineties, and we can assume the same thing will happen next year if Romney succeeds in buying the election), not because of what anybody has for dinner. Stop blindly accepting corporate propaganda. Don't attack individuals while letting institutions off the hook.
If you want do something positive to help people get healthier
1)Accept them as they are first(people who are accepted and happy are more likely to make positive change than people who are treated like shit);
2)Do something to help with the problem of poor access to nutritional food in many neighborhood(there are a lot of areas where, due to the "redlining" policies of the past and various racial and ethnic prejudices) there isn't a grocery store. Help organize farmer's markets or food co-ops so people in those areas can get access to real food at decent prices. Help set up community gardens as well.
3)Possibly you could offer to go to people's homes and help them start an exercise program, or you could help set up a "shame-free" exercise space where people could start getting healthier without getting disdainful looks and attitudes from the muscle Nazis that dominate most gyms.
4)Maybe, if nothing else, make friends with these people. A lot of folks overeat to self-medicate for loneliness and despair(it's possible that the preservatives in some foods have an antidepressant effect when combined, but I'm not sure).
These are a few things that COULD help, if you simply can't stand the sight of people who aren't physically exactly like you.
Hate, spite, contempt and demands for conformity can't, however.
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Sorry your fat pal. Sorry that peole make you feel bad. i was fat too, but because of a medical condition (Diabebtes), and for the fact that i LOVE beer. I had to put down the wonderfull wonderfull Nectar of the Gods. I lost over 100lbs. Just a word of advice, PUT THE FORK DOWN! STEP AWAY FROM THE TABLE!!!! Good luck Pal.
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Fine, you were able to. Good for you. That doesn't mean everyone can. And that doesn't mean you have the right to demand that from every one. And it's STILL not your place to judge other people for their physical condition. The fact that a person might be heavy(btw, a lot thin people DON'T hate people with weight issues, so don't assume you speak for all thin people).
You don't KNOW what the story is behind every single person with a weight problem...you're just making convenient guesses that just happen to validate your hatred.
The only weight you are entitled to be judgmental about is your own. Nobody else's weight is your concern.
And, since this is a comments section, I have no reason to take your word for it that you're thin at all. You might just be assuming that YOUR weight is ok because you say tell us it is. For all I know, you weigh 400lbs and still live in your parents' basement.
You don't KNOW what the story is behind every single person with a weight problem...you're just making convenient guesses that just happen to validate your hatred.
The only weight you are entitled to be judgmental about is your own. Nobody else's weight is your concern.
And, since this is a comments section, I have no reason to take your word for it that you're thin at all. You might just be assuming that YOUR weight is ok because you say tell us it is. For all I know, you weigh 400lbs and still live in your parents' basement.
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Also, why do you make assumptions about my weight because of my views on the subject? A lot of thin people DON'T hate fat people...there's no reason to assume that the hate posters here speak for every thin person on the planet.
You are all wasting far too much time defending your right to hate complete strangers. Shouldn't you people be out running triathlons or something?
You are all wasting far too much time defending your right to hate complete strangers. Shouldn't you people be out running triathlons or something?
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@ AlaskanbutnotSeanParnell
Forget about the healthcare costs for a minute. What about all the extra room fat people consume simply by being? I want that extra room! When i get on a crowded bus I shouldn't have to cram my skinny ass in a narrow spot because I take the time to get a little excercise, I should get an extra bubble the size of all the careless fat asses. Same goes for crowder bars, planes, trains, cars, sidewalks, etc.
Forget about the healthcare costs for a minute. What about all the extra room fat people consume simply by being? I want that extra room! When i get on a crowded bus I shouldn't have to cram my skinny ass in a narrow spot because I take the time to get a little excercise, I should get an extra bubble the size of all the careless fat asses. Same goes for crowder bars, planes, trains, cars, sidewalks, etc.
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and please don't mistake my belief that overweight people have a responsibility to better themselves for the good of society as HATRED.
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It's ironic people take pride in their genetics as if they have something to do with their personal character.
Nearly 10% of women suffer from PCOS, a genetic disorder that causes women not only to be ravenously hungry but also gain weight and be unable to loose it. The cure ironically also is to loose weight and rebalance the endocrine system through diet and drugs.
But thanks to hateful and fattist medical professionals most women don't get diagnosed till they are in their late 30s and pretty far gone on the disorder destroying their lives as normal women.
This is a simple cry for help. I can't exercise with you screaming and throwing things at me as I try to move down the street. I can't be successful if I get glared at when I try to strength train at the gym or trainers tell me to do things that will hurt my plus sized body. I can't live in a world where you teach your children it's ok to make fun of their teacher's size and mock fat people in general.
People need to take care of themselves and stop apply generalizations that some how what makes them unique is something that applies to an entirely different person. Fat is genetic and it is also the face of a DSM disorder called Binge Eating Disorder. And that requires not a diet, but a compassionate therapist to threat.
I don't run around and attack people with Parkisons or Cystic Fibrosis or Bipolar disorder and make their difficult lives more difficult. How hard is it let fat people be?
Nearly 10% of women suffer from PCOS, a genetic disorder that causes women not only to be ravenously hungry but also gain weight and be unable to loose it. The cure ironically also is to loose weight and rebalance the endocrine system through diet and drugs.
But thanks to hateful and fattist medical professionals most women don't get diagnosed till they are in their late 30s and pretty far gone on the disorder destroying their lives as normal women.
This is a simple cry for help. I can't exercise with you screaming and throwing things at me as I try to move down the street. I can't be successful if I get glared at when I try to strength train at the gym or trainers tell me to do things that will hurt my plus sized body. I can't live in a world where you teach your children it's ok to make fun of their teacher's size and mock fat people in general.
People need to take care of themselves and stop apply generalizations that some how what makes them unique is something that applies to an entirely different person. Fat is genetic and it is also the face of a DSM disorder called Binge Eating Disorder. And that requires not a diet, but a compassionate therapist to threat.
I don't run around and attack people with Parkisons or Cystic Fibrosis or Bipolar disorder and make their difficult lives more difficult. How hard is it let fat people be?
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It's easy to be sanctimoniously assholic about healthy choices when your own are not on display every time you step out the front door. Hypocrisy is thick as shit all over this list.
Eat a lot of fried food, red meat? Smoke tobacco? Do drugs? Do you have frequent unprotected sex? How nice that you can totally disown that dangerously unhealthy behavior at any given moment, keep it all to yourself and judge the visibly fat slob who can't.
Eat a lot of fried food, red meat? Smoke tobacco? Do drugs? Do you have frequent unprotected sex? How nice that you can totally disown that dangerously unhealthy behavior at any given moment, keep it all to yourself and judge the visibly fat slob who can't.
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@38- You're the superficial one. I'm willing to bet those fitness-minded friends of yours are mainly concerned about their health, but you think it's all about how they look. At least for your husband's sake you haven't let yourself go. If you do, he WILL go fuck someone younger who still has a waist.
I hate that one can't mention weight without someone bringing up looks. I don't want to be 'skinny' so I can be hot, I just don't want to put unnecessary strain on my organs and joints.
And to those complaining we're not sympathetic- how sympathetic would you be if this was a crackhead instead of a fatty? If you want to overeat, overeat. But don't whine about being fat after you do- you know damned well what caused it. Go join Weight Watchers and take control of your weight. I'm not being facetious, I am seriously suggesting WW. They worked for me.
I hate that one can't mention weight without someone bringing up looks. I don't want to be 'skinny' so I can be hot, I just don't want to put unnecessary strain on my organs and joints.
And to those complaining we're not sympathetic- how sympathetic would you be if this was a crackhead instead of a fatty? If you want to overeat, overeat. But don't whine about being fat after you do- you know damned well what caused it. Go join Weight Watchers and take control of your weight. I'm not being facetious, I am seriously suggesting WW. They worked for me.
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Get at the root of your unhappiness and fix it. If you enjoy food, eat it...just try and not over do it. Killing yourself with food is not a way to be happy. But...no one has a right to belittle you or be rude to you just because they do not think you fit into their mold of perfection! Be well Eat it & be happy!
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Get at the root cause of your unhappiness and pain. Fix that and you can enjoy food without over indulgence to the point of harm. Just because you do not fit into someone else's mold of perfection does not make you an awful person. Be well & be happy
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okay, everyone keeps saying that there's loads of fat people on public assistance, who got there because they're fat. So riddle me this... why aren't there people out there ACTIVELY trying to get fat? Maybe they're fat, dear dumbasses, because of another condition, such as side effects of psych medications, having been injured, MS, or some other disability? I'm pretty sure you can't get SSDI just for being fat. Should fat people lose weight? Yes, they should. Does that entitle you to decide that you should never have to share oxygen with one (ie be rewarded extra room on your flight because you're the picture of awesome health choices?) No. And as an "in the process of slimming" person, I would like to say that if I, with my slightly plus sized frame had a fucking nickle for every time I took a flight and the skinnier person next to me magically took up their seat and half of my own, I'd have invested in a pricier weight loss plan.
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The reason that people have to WORK to stay fit is due to our piss-poor eating habits, mostly convenience foods. Cut out fast food, convenience foods (Kraft mac and cheese, anyone?) and soda pop. Now try to find something to eat. Oh em gee, we're all gonna starve! What the hell am I supposed to do with this fish? This chicken isn't cooked--how do I make it cooked??? What the fuck do I do with a bunch of KALE??? Add to that the fact that box of mac and cheese, with its 22 steps to produce and shitload of unrecognizable ingredients, costs about half of what a fresh bunch of spinach costs. We subsidize factory farms and run small farmers out of business.
Fat is a habit, passed from one generation to the next. It's lack of education. Fat is doing what's easiest, then hating yourself for doing what's easiest. It's ignorance and laziness, but it's a product of the fucked up status quo--look at the disgusting crap they feed kids in schools...Pizza counts as a vegetable?? Until we get our act together with food, we're destined to stay the fattest nation on earth.
Fat is a habit, passed from one generation to the next. It's lack of education. Fat is doing what's easiest, then hating yourself for doing what's easiest. It's ignorance and laziness, but it's a product of the fucked up status quo--look at the disgusting crap they feed kids in schools...Pizza counts as a vegetable?? Until we get our act together with food, we're destined to stay the fattest nation on earth.
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Meh, we all have crappy childhoods, but that excuse stops having any validity if you're a few years out of the house. I've been underweight (from eating disorders), cut myself, and was generally a fucking mess when I left home. And you know what? I grew the fuck up and took care of my issues and myself. I went to counseling, found positive friends, etc.
Instead of blaming the hateful people in life (NEWS FLASH: they'll always be there), man up and stop making excuses.
Instead of blaming the hateful people in life (NEWS FLASH: they'll always be there), man up and stop making excuses.
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can't we just try to be nice to each other? who do people think they are being all mean to fatties?
but this person probably walks around all sour like the miserable wretch he/she feels like which isn't gonna win big personality points either...
it's a tough road.
but this person probably walks around all sour like the miserable wretch he/she feels like which isn't gonna win big personality points either...
it's a tough road.
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