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Knock It Off, Pregnant Pothead

I like you; I like your husband. That being said, I can't believe he's standing by and letting you continue to smoke as much pot as you do even while you're pregnant.

You have a "green card," but you don't need weed for anything. I also know that you're eating veggie and vegan as much as possible because you feel it's healthier for you and the child. And yet smoking pot is okay? I don't care if there are no "conclusive" studies that smoking weed is bad for a baby while the mom is pregnant. HOW does that make ANY sense at all?

I know your husband is a smoker, too, but man I wish he had the balls to tell you to stop or, better yet, stop as well so as not to look like a hypocrite.

It's nine months out of your life—is getting stoned so important that you'll take even the slightest chance with your child's health and well-being?

I sure hope I'm wrong. I hope your child is born healthy, with no complications, because I want that child to have the best life possible. But then I fear that, should you ever have another one, you'll do the same thing again, because "nothing negative happened in my first pregnancy and I smoked weed all I wanted!"

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My Mom smoked. I'm fine. I smoke and will probably smoke occasionally when I get pregnant. I'm sure women in some cultures have been doing it for thousands of years. Women in France eat the cheeses American doctors tell you not to while pregnant, Japanese women eat sushi while pregnant. It's not the end of the world, has no impact on anon...they should really mind their own business.
Posted by ninelives1029 on February 27, 2013 at 9:23 AM · Report this
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I found out how much pot my mom smoked while pregnant when I was going through my baby book a few years back and under medications it said “a joint a day to help with nausea.” I understand why IA is worried, but this kid really will be fine. I’m a 33-year-old scientist and a college professor who has never had a serious health problem.

Frankly, as a human biologist, I’m more worried about the ramifications of that vegan diet during pregnancy.
Posted by Prof L on February 27, 2013 at 10:06 AM · Report this
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Heya, as a former resident of Japan, I can assure you that all the pregnant ladies I knew while out there stopped eating sushi. Because they're not morons.

Posted by llamentation on February 27, 2013 at 10:20 AM · Report this
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Maybe the kid will be fine. But if he's not, if he comes out disfigured or developes a severe mental illness, that mom will spend the rest of her life wondering if it's her fault. "Did I fuck up my kid's whole life because I couldn't give up weed for 9 months?" Is not a question you want hanging over your head.
Posted by Brandon J. on February 27, 2013 at 10:33 AM · Report this
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My Mom drank. I'm fine. I drink and will probably drink occasionally when I get pregnant. I'm sure women in some cultures have been doing it for thousands of years.
Posted by Bloated Jesus is Bloated on February 27, 2013 at 11:42 AM · Report this
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I'd rather have a pot smoking mom than a busy-bodied nosy bitch mom any day of the week.

what's next? calling out pregnant ladies for coffee drinking.

Mind your own business, get your own life and please don't have any kids... you'll just make their lives miserable.
Posted by fake on February 27, 2013 at 12:09 PM · Report this
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What is it about being pregnant that makes everyone else think your body is their business? Unless there is some sort of conclusive scientific proof that pot is going to cause damage (which there isn't), then butt out.
Posted by sweet g on February 27, 2013 at 12:36 PM · Report this
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There is nothing wrong with a joint or two for a pregnant woman, but as for user Bloated Jesus is Bloated, the facts are in on drinking while pregnant, and you're squarely incorrect in you assumptions.

As for Brandon J, unlike with alcohol, there is not one single shred of evidence of any of the things you say, and it's not like they've just started studying this last month after Colorado and Washington legalized the stuff. Honestly, you sound like you have a case of uncontrollable flatulence and need to get a grip.
Posted by Arthur Zifferelli on February 27, 2013 at 12:46 PM · Report this
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Anyone have any evidence to support these worries? I mean, scientific studies not conducted by the Department of Justice?
Posted by maddogm13 on February 27, 2013 at 12:58 PM · Report this
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A Moron like this does not deserve to have a child. The kid will be raised as an idiot following in its parents footsteps. Probably getting in line for free stuff at an early age because of a lack of will power that will be loaded on him by his parents example of selfishness.

I will tell them as I write this, if they can in fact read, that my son just tested at 99% in an advanced placement test throughout the country and it's not because my wife and I smoke dope. It's because we expose him to books and sports and a healthy atmosphere to breath.

Not carcinogens like pot or cancer sticks.

Good luck paying the bills when he has asthma and breathing problems as a grade schooler and then relays on social services when he can't get a job because they won't let him bring his iron lung to work!
Posted by esp on February 27, 2013 at 1:20 PM · Report this
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...sorry nothing to add, really...just wanted to close that tag.
Posted by j.lee on February 27, 2013 at 2:38 PM · Report this
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fail.
Posted by j.lee on February 27, 2013 at 2:39 PM · Report this
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For anyone who is curious, here are some facts.

THC can cross the placenta into the fetus during pregnancy, as well as pass into a mother's breast milk. So, a mother using marijuana (or other drugs) during pregnancy can pass the substance to the child.

Research has shown that marijuana use during pregnancy may lead to lower birth weight and slower development. Some of these effects are hypothesized to be due to the actual act of smoking, and are similar to the effects from smoking cigarettes.

Health providers consistently advise women not to use any drugs during pregnancy due to possible harm to the fetus. However, studies of marijuana use during pregnancy do not always find negative effects and it does not appear likely that marijuana causes major birth defects. There are enough findings of impairment in babies, though, to warrant warnings against its use during pregnancy.

Fried, P.A. (1991). Marijuana use during pregnancy: Consequences for the offspring. Seminars in Perinatology, 15, 280-287.

Fried, P.A. (1985). Postnatal consequences of maternal marijuana use. In T.M. Pinkert (ed) Current Research on the Consequences of Maternal Drug Abuse. National Institute on Drug Abuse Research Monograph No. 59. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
Posted by everybody chill out on February 27, 2013 at 3:10 PM · Report this
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To #10... From the spelling in your comment I'd say your kid is 1/2 the product of the mail man because all you are exposing him to is bad English.

Pot is smoked by people at ALL levels of society, doctors, lawyers, judges and even clergy.

Just because your tiny brain can't handle drugs doesn't mean they aren't for anyone.

Pushing your kid to achieve at a 99% national level might just blow up in your face someday. Some of the brightest people I've ever known have killed themselves, suffered anxiety or other mental issues that have torpedoed an otherwise promising future.

Take it easy, it's only pot.
Posted by fake on February 27, 2013 at 4:31 PM · Report this
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I had an aquaintance who smoked alot of weed while pregnant with her daughter. She didn't end up walking until 3 years old and had to wear REALLY thick glasses as an infant to even see somewhat of anything. She is now in her teens and struggles with even having a kindergarden education. She can't learn or remember anything past a couple of hours. She will forever be dependant on her mother who had the idea, "It's my body, I can do with it what I want" mentality. It's not anyones business what you do with your body but hey, why not smoke some crack while your at it. Might as well cause your baby WILL have complications no matter what. It's called retardation. How unfair to a child that it's own parent is stunting it's growth and intelligence and forever changing the natural genetic make-up of this baby due to their own selfishness. And then society get's to deal with it when it has bouts of rage, anxiety and temper tantrums. Way to go mom and dad!
Posted by Kbob on February 27, 2013 at 5:32 PM · Report this
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#14.. because i misspeld a cuple weeds is no indicatshun of my knowledge..

I don't push my son to do anything , which is why he will succeed..

I managed to navigate my way to a private school for college and so will he, probably on a scholarship for baseball..

you think i'm a snob.. u are right.. i loathe people that smoke dope regardless of their place in the community..When i see a 50 year old on tv cheering athe passing of the pot law, i am saddened and think about how his trailer park will be covered in zig zags..

i loathe them because it's a drug that does nothing but decrease your lung capacity and is no better than a cigarette.

I have no trouble talking about my kids success to people like you, that will never achieve what he will, even though he is 8 and you probably live in a rathole of a capital hill apartment with your bong ..
Posted by esp on February 27, 2013 at 5:49 PM · Report this
Y.F. Redux 17
Mummy will blame her little dullard's developmental delays on vaccines like all good Vashon Islander mothers do.
Posted by Y.F. Redux on February 27, 2013 at 6:37 PM · Report this
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Are you around this person often enough that you know for a fact they smoke as much as you assume they do?
Posted by treehugger on February 27, 2013 at 7:40 PM · Report this
johnjacobjingleheimerschmidt 19
I work in health care.. I've seen shit that'll make your toes curl. As a species I don't know how we got past homo erectus, let alone made thru the Middle Ages.
Posted by johnjacobjingleheimerschmidt on February 27, 2013 at 10:32 PM · Report this
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Yet, if something should happen to the kid that could be caused by MJ use, she'll be screaming, demanding all sorts of benefits, and looking for someone else to blame. And then the 'busybodies' get to deal with it through their taxes. While I agree you should mind your own business, at the same time, when you see abuse or potential for damage or abuse, I think as a society we have something of a responsibility to speak up. Can't MAKE them do it, but, you can at least say something. Problem here, is, it's anonymous, we don't know the poster, we don't know the people they're talking about. And in the long run, it doesn't matter. What is going to happen, is going to happen.
Posted by cattycat on February 27, 2013 at 10:58 PM · Report this
Seattlebcc 21
OoooooooOh, the humanity!
Posted by Seattlebcc on February 28, 2013 at 7:07 AM · Report this
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Pot is better for the baby than COKE and MALT LIQUOUR.
Posted by Boboo on February 28, 2013 at 10:16 AM · Report this
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LOL at all the "My mom did crack and I'm fine" comments.

Yes, you all were born alive and are making it through life. Doesn't mean you weren't harmed by your mom's addiction or there wasn't a risk.

There are a lot of risk factors to exposing your fetus to drugs/alcohol/tobacco: memory issues, inability to focus, mood control, greater risk of being an addict yourself, asthma.

Who is to say you couldn't have been smarter, more artistic, more athletic, more successful in life if your mom had shown some more self-control?

A single drink or joint is going to affect the baby. It's a game of risk, the more you fuck around while pregnant the greater likelihood you'll cause real damage.
Posted by debug on February 28, 2013 at 10:58 AM · Report this
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Hands up those who were born to liberal west-coast parents in the 60's-70's. Anyone?
Posted by MisterMan on February 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM · Report this
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To #23
"Who is to say you couldn't have been smarter, more artistic, more athletic, more successful in life if your mom had shown some more self-control?"

Who's to say you can't be those things if you fucking try harder instead of blaming your mom?
Posted by MisterMan on February 28, 2013 at 12:02 PM · Report this
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@25 Because 'try harder' is a slogan and physical limitations are real.

If you have a learning disability or some other mental limitation 'try harder' won't fix it any more than telling a wheelchair-bound person to put more effort into walking.

The science is clear: taking drugs, drinking alcohol, smoking tobacco, being exposed to certain chemicals all have risk factors of causing long term damage to your child.

So yeah, if your crack-whore mom gave you nerve damage and an inability to learn then she's certainly played a part in your not making the A squad or getting into college.
Posted by debug on February 28, 2013 at 3:15 PM · Report this
AlyinSebby 27
LOL #22

It took us 22 posts to get to the coke and malt liquor!?

Where's Ziffereli? ;)
Posted by AlyinSebby on February 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM · Report this
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Is she smoking it or consuming it in some other fashion? Honestly, the research in this area would suggest all that smoking would be bad regardless of the substance.
Posted by squirrely girl on February 28, 2013 at 6:50 PM · Report this
OutInBumF 29
I can't figure out why pregnant women don't wrap themselves in bubble wrap, and lock themselves in a convent for 9 months. Too many people making big deals over LIFE happening.
For all the hoopla about putting things into pregnant women's bodies, why do we have 100-fold increases in ADD, ADHD, autism, peanut, gluten, soy and milk allergies, you name it, in just two generations? My mom smoked, drank moderately and ate what she pleased. If we kids were acting ADD, she cut out the sugar and chocolate, put us down for a nap, or gave us a swat on the butt. Yet we're all productive citizens.
Today's kids are the most fragile bunch of humanity ever spawned, yet they were protected in-utero to the max. BTW-IA- mind your own business.
Posted by OutInBumF on February 28, 2013 at 7:17 PM · Report this
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the difference is. that you will never know if you could have been considerably more successful, smarter or productive. Will You?? Maybe you are happy with your lot in life and that's great, but could you have been the next Bill Gates or Lebron James?? You will never know because of the lifestyle your mother had.

I'm sure you are happy but why should such a minute level of sacrifice by a parent be so difficult to maintain if it's in the best interest of their child, unless they are selfish pigs.

And the responses of those that are pro pot and con short term sacrifice are perfect examples of what's wrong with our country, which is now loaded with the welfare whores that think of nobody but themselves.
Posted by esp on February 28, 2013 at 8:19 PM · Report this
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You all understand that that #5 is making fun of #1 right? The're not actually saying that their mom drank while pregnant. They are pointing out how ludicrous #1's statement is by replacing it with a word that our society has deemed more harmful than weed. I'm surprised mostly with Arthur Ziffirelli. You seemed to be the king of good sarcasm :)
Posted by kittysnake on February 28, 2013 at 8:42 PM · Report this
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all these comments remind be of arguments against gun control.
since when is the gradient of harm ok? maybe since forever? but could it not be? could maybe less gun violence still be too much, could less child endangerment still be bad please? if you need a glass of wine to get you from 5 months to 9 i guess i get that not having been there or those two bowls you smoked but habitual drug use legal or illegal is like leaving a loaded gun on the table in your house; why take the risk.
Posted by grace on February 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM · Report this
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Maybe I would have been that much smarter and more athletic if my mom HAD smoked some weed while she was pregnant.
Posted by sweet g on March 1, 2013 at 7:16 AM · Report this
Slam1263 34
This.

OK, so I usually only come here to snarktroll, but why can't people see that raising children should be, once you've decided to impregnate/be impregnated, a 24/365/19 job?

Man or woman, this isn't that much time out of your lifespan to do the right thing.

My kids have reached adulthood, and I have retired from direct rearing, but even when I am around the grandbabbies, no smokee, no drinkee.

And just like with my kids, NO TELLING OF PAST GLORIOUS AND DEBAUCHED PURSUITS.

Sheesh people, we are already under the gun of modern civilization, let the kids be kids.
Posted by Slam1263 on March 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM · Report this
mtnlion 35
I don't think marijuana is necessarily bad, but smoke (even from an herb) I think carries some risks. Especially when you light up with a butane lighter. Better to stick to edibles, just to be safe, and then also to remove any kind of judgment people may feel towards you (if only to make life more pleasant). Who gets annoyed with a pregnant woman who's eating a brownie?

Daily, we are exposed to so many pollutants its remarkable we aren't all cognitively limited mutants. Well, maybe we're on our way. I think living in a city--around chemicals and exhaust and shit--seems more risky than smoking a little herb.
Posted by mtnlion http://radicalish.wordpress.com on March 1, 2013 at 2:25 PM · Report this
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Maybe the reason people act like a woman's pregnancy is everyone's business is because when babies are born fucked up and/or disabled, society gets to financially support that child for its entire lifetime. We get a little testy when women needlessly and recklessly put their fetus' health at risk, because it puts society at risk of higher financial burden. When they succeed at cutting medicaid and SSI down to nothing, people will probably butt out of smoking, drinking, cheese and sushi-eating women's pregnancies.
Posted by small town housewife on March 1, 2013 at 3:46 PM · Report this
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As an omnivore and apex predator, you're also not doing your kid any favors by being a veggie-vegan douchebag.
Posted by ctmcmull on March 1, 2013 at 3:57 PM · Report this
skidmark 38
This I, Anon has been sponsored by the letter F-Holes.
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Posted by skidmark on March 1, 2013 at 7:16 PM · Report this
doloresdaphne 39
Given that the odds of being brain damaged by pot are much higher if you smoke pot before you're 18 years old, I imagine ingesting it before you're even 0 years old is significantly worse.

I find the number irresponsible attitudes being peddled on this thread alarming.

As someone who has a learning disability, I am telling you, the daily frustration it causes is not fun, and it's something pregnant women should spare their children of if at all possible.
Posted by doloresdaphne on March 2, 2013 at 12:43 AM · Report this
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There was a woman who did a study on Rastafarian women in Jamaica, no worse off than the average us born babies.
Posted by Germi on March 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM · Report this
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@39

The single study to which you're referring is correlational research that failed to account for a number of other factors likely to influence mental health outcomes. And "brain damaged" is not a term used by much research.
Posted by squirrely girl on March 2, 2013 at 7:32 PM · Report this
sissoucat 42
@1 "Women in France eat the cheeses American doctors tell you not to while pregnant"

No they don't. Because, as #3 rightly pointed out, they're not morons.

Could we agree to end the "foreign pregnant women do bad things" meme ? Developped countries the world over do follow the WHO recommandations.
Posted by sissoucat on March 5, 2013 at 4:58 AM · Report this
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On one extreme, pregnant women would be imprisoned "for their own good". On the other extreme, they can do whatever they want with no recourse. Of course, we live in the middle where there are legal ramifications for some things and social opprobrium for other things. We're supposed to use science and data to help us determine a good balance of autonomy/control. Given that we just don't know how pot (say, ingested) affects fetal development, we should defer to a woman's right to make decisions about her body.

Of course, this is only so murky because we let just anybody with compatible gametes get pregnant. If having kids was something you had to meet certain standards to do, then we could maybe have a vote on what pregnant women should or shouldn't be allowed to do. Is that what you guys want?
Posted by wxPDX on March 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM · Report this
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Any pregnant woman who has suffered from hyperemesis gravidarum, or even a milder form of morning sickness, will do anything--ANYTHING--to make the nausea stop, if only for a little while. My experience is that men are the ones usually posting judgmental comments such as these. Do your research and you will find that even large quantities of cannabis while pregnant have no documented ill effects, unlike large quantities of alcohol. Ignorant people always seem to hide be anonymity.
Posted by hojowi on March 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM · Report this
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A pregnant friend recently did a serious amount of research and asked her doctors if smoking pot while pregnant carried any risks to the baby. The doctors (including a specialist, as I said, thorough research) uniformly told her that modest consumption has not been shown to cause fetal harm but smoking should be limited. The 20-year study she found which followed Jamaican children from birth to adulthood whose mothers smoked varying degrees of pot demonstrated that only heavy smoking had long terms effects on the children. Her doctors agreed with the results of the study.

As for alcohol, there's also no proof that moderate drinking while pregnant causes any birth defects-- see, e.g., http://parentingsquad.com/yes-you-can-dr…

Also, there was a period during the industrial revolution in which water was not potable and people mostly drank. Pregnant Irish women used to be prescribed a Guinness a day for nourishment. The people who cannot handle moderation have ruined it for everyone.

I know women who have smoked and drank while pregnant and have had perfectly healthy, normal, even exceptionally gifted children. I know women who have abstained from every possible risk and miscarried. My cousin has an IQ of about 30 because of his handling by doctors in the hospital after he was born (no, my aunt did not sue). Point is, life is risky, you can't control for all of them, so the ones that are not supported by evidence should be noted and largely ignored.

If you have a serious problem with drinking and smoking, you should seek help before becoming a parent, male or femail, natural or adoptive. That's not what Anon is describing. The number of people who actually receive taxpayer assistance for their children's disabilities is shamefully low (even for disabilities not resulting from the mother partaying for nine straight months while the kid's in utero). That has nothing to do with whether or not pot is harmful to a fetus.

If anyone read the Mother Jones long read about the effects of azatrine on frogs from last year, you'd be a lot more worried about the drinking water than a couple puffs of weed. And agreed, @44, it's usually men who become indignant about what those horrible women do to the Future [men] of Society. Sheesh.
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Posted by Concern trolls are concerned on March 14, 2013 at 3:14 PM · Report this
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Thank you, 45.

Driving while pregnant is a far higher risk to the fetus than is drinking or ingesting cannabis at a *moderate* level.
Posted by clashfan on March 16, 2013 at 8:14 AM · Report this
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@44 or 46:
Did you even google if there is any study regarding the effect of THC on fetusses?

There are loads of studies such as this:

"In a prospective study of 3,857 pregnancies ending in singleton live births at Yale-New Haven Hospital, New Haven, Connecticut, in 1980–1982,9.5% of mothers reported using marijuana (4.1% occasionally and 5.4% at least 2–3 times monthly). Among whtte women, regular use was associated with an increased risk of delivering a low birth weight (<2,500 gm) infant (odds ratio (OR) = 2.6, 95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.1–6.2) and small for gestational age infant (OR = 2.3, 95% CI = 1.3–4.1) after adjustment for other risk factors. Nonwhite marijuana users were not at further increased risk for delivering a low birth weight or small for gestational age infant beyond the elevated rates of these conditions already experienced by nonwhites in general. Marijuana use was also related to preterm delivery (gestational age <37 weeks from last menstrual period) in white women (OR = 1.9, 95% CI = 1.0–3.9) but not nonwhtte women."

Or this one:
"Results
Adjusting for various covariates, we found a specific reduction, particularly in male fetuses, of the D2 mRNA expression levels in the amygdala basal nucleus in association with maternal marijuana use. The reduction was positively correlated with the amount of maternal marijuana intake during pregnancy. No significant cannabis-related alterations were detected in the hippocampus or caudal striatum for the D2, D1, and CB1 mRNA levels, although alcohol showed significant contribution to striatal D1/D2 expression."
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art…
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Posted by migrationist on March 21, 2013 at 11:16 AM · Report this
undead ayn rand 48
@1: "Women in France eat the cheeses American doctors tell you not to while pregnant"

And they still get listeriosis in larger numbers? There are plenty of delicious cheeses that aren't raw milk.
Posted by undead ayn rand on March 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM · Report this

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