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I, Anonymous

$15 Fuck You

I've been working my butt off for the last two years owning a small restaurant, and I still can't pay myself. It's only going to get worse now, so fuck you very much, Mr. Mayor and Councilwoman Sawant. If this ridiculous bill had been put on the ballot, it would have been turned down like Prop. 1. Seattleites are not stupid. So when you're finally voted out of office—and it'll happen soon—I hope you've saved enough money to pay for the $25 burger and the $8 latte that you helped introduce. You knew this would happen and you didn't care, so fuck you!

—Anonymous

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If you can't pay yourself then you should not be in business.
Posted by longwayhome on June 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM · Report this
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Oh, I see it now, the Stranger is pushing EDITROIALS to the Blah Blah Pages now... How nice.

Well guess what, Stranger Editor Whores, poor folks in Seattle would like to make a living wage.

This so called "I Anon" is quite amazing. I'm surprised that The Stranger had the balls to post it, given that it is obviously an "editorial".

Douche bags.
Posted by Arthur Zifferelli on June 10, 2014 at 10:46 PM · Report this
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I'm not the one who was dumb enough to open a restaurant. Besides, if the statistics hold, odds are you'd have been out of business in a year anyway. There's a reason why purveyors want cash up front, yanno.
Posted by Lou Sainis on June 10, 2014 at 10:56 PM · Report this
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Isn't it amazing that Tea Bagging Ayn Rand Coo Coo Nuts like Long Way read The Stranger? I hesitate to say he's a self-hating gay man because it' probably closer to the truth that he's a Tea Bagging closet "Metro Sexual" who partakes of the Backpage rent boys.
Posted by Arthur Zifferelli on June 10, 2014 at 10:58 PM · Report this
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I don't know if Long Way is a Tea Partier...but he or she's clearly never been a business owner.
Posted by i can relate on June 11, 2014 at 7:22 AM · Report this
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It's so ironic that the pro $15 people act like they're SO against the corporations ... yet it will ONLY be corporations in business if this passes. This will destroy a lot of small businesses. Why aren't you protesting the billions and billions of tax dollars which support the MIC and the corporations who benefit?
Posted by Vesta2014 on June 11, 2014 at 8:18 AM · Report this
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Sounds like you weren't very good at running a business to begin with. Your loss will be Seattle's gain as somebody who *does* know how to run a restaurant and who is willing to do it lawfully, at the very least, paying the least of their members enough to reasonably live off of, will fill up the space you leave behind. Good riddance, and let the door hit you on your way out!!
Posted by treehugger on June 11, 2014 at 8:39 AM · Report this
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The sky is falling! $15 an hour will push us into another recession / depression!

Yadda, yadda.

At most, it's a quarter more on your fucking sandwich / burger / sushi / pint of beer.

Get over it.
Posted by Arthur Zifferelli on June 11, 2014 at 8:45 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 10
Why do so many business owners think it is the government's job to keep them profitable and in business?

We should not keep people poor or force them to depend on welfare just to ensure that more failed business owners stay in business because they can pay artificially low wages.

Stop depending on government largesse, and pull yourself up by your bootstraps you failure.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on June 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM · Report this
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@LW: Or maybe you'll be able to afford to keep a solid staff, rather than dealing with the constant turnover that plagues the restaurant industry? Or maybe you're mad because you were hoping to eventually have the difference between poverty and living wage income for yourself and to hell with your employees, who probably should've used their non-existent income and/or debt gaining abilities to go to college to learn to RUN the restaurant rather than work in it?

Either way, you're an ass.
Posted by j.lee on June 11, 2014 at 11:09 AM · Report this
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@10: "hy do so many business owners think it is the government's job to keep them profitable and in business?"

Excellent question, like when Boeing wanted a plant built for them "at no cost." Wow. Entitled much?
Posted by Lou Sainis on June 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM · Report this
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Well, you might have enough money to pay yourself and your employees a decent wage if you didn't blow it all on COCAINE and MALT LIQUOR.
Posted by AmyC on June 11, 2014 at 12:31 PM · Report this
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New socialist workers paradise is paradise for workers!

Workers of Microsoft (like Mr. Sawant), and Medical Doctors will reap much benefit of scummy little people put into rightful place, Portland!

You watch, Seattle much better as new workers socialist paradise! Many more $30 hamburger options! Many more opportunities for scummy poor people to get the fuck out!

Seattle be wonderful paradise! We get poor all gone, you see! All one class, rich people! Is much better!
Posted by typical lefty on June 11, 2014 at 1:29 PM · Report this
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Bootstraps talk? On MY Stranger? This city is getting redder by the day. Or whatever color libertarians are.
Posted by haha_what on June 11, 2014 at 1:31 PM · Report this
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Wow, for once I find myself in agreement with Zifferelli on a few points here! ;-)
Posted by Chandira on June 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM · Report this
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Hmmmm, so let's pay grunt workers $15 per hr and see how great it makes this city. In theory, prices will go up, weak businesses will drop out, jobs will be lost, and the very unskilled will still be readily employable for $9.32/hr in Renton, Lynnwood, Everett, etc forcing them to commute. All this to get the best grunt workers a living wage? In the long run, this basically screws our overall quality of life in order to benefit a small minority. If you want $15 per hr or more, earn that promotion like many of us had to. Paying unskilled labor the Federal minimum wage encourages them to gain more skills in order to justify a good living!!!

Now pass the COCAINE amd MALT LIQUOR....
Posted by Not Karl Marx But My German Cock Is Bigger on June 11, 2014 at 3:30 PM · Report this
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While Sawant and 15Now are lauding this as a victory of historic proportions, actual socialists say this isn't going to benefit workers (and they question Sawant's sincerity to boot).

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/06…
Posted by wait on June 11, 2014 at 4:33 PM · Report this
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@18 unregistered can't link. Will post the article I think you meant along with your message here -

"While Sawant and 15Now are lauding this as a victory of historic proportions, actual socialists say this isn't going to benefit workers (and they question Sawant's sincerity to boot)."

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/06…
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on June 11, 2014 at 4:57 PM · Report this
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Turned down like the proposition to keep our buses running? Rebate taxes suck but not having a decent transportation system for the city is much worse!

You'd rather keep the living wage that helps corps like Walmart exploit people living below the poverty line? I've got friends that are working full time, nearly starving, (thank god for food banks) and barely able to make bus fares, much less save up for school. Too bad they can't make a decent wage- they could have saved up enough to eat at your restaurant.
Posted by Welo on June 11, 2014 at 5:54 PM · Report this
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Amazing that left-leaning Seattle condo warriors are actually... REPUBLICANS is "skinny jeans".

Posted by Arthur Zifferelli on June 11, 2014 at 6:01 PM · Report this
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@1 Too true. I fully get that a small business owner can't always pay themselves, I have a close family member who started their own business a few years ago and it was rough going at first, but if you're making do by paying your employees shit wages, then your prices should already be up in the first place.

You know, Anonymous, if your burgers (or whatever it is you sell) are of such low quality that you can't bother to raise the price just a little bit to cover the cost of paying your employees the wages they deserve, then what exactly are you doing in the restaurant business in the first place? More people go into business for themselves starting restaurants than any other business, and more restaurants end up failing than any other business. I fully buy that you've worked your ass off making your restaurant work--welcome to owning and managing a business. I also fully expect that if you have the quality goods to be a worthy restaurant then your customers will be able to afford the increase in quality, especially once your customers actually have money to spend on your food because of the very law you just threw a conniption fit over.

Hell, you might even MAKE money, but your hysterics and your pissing blood about the fact that you have to justly compensate your employees hints that you might not deserve to.
Posted by Enatai on June 11, 2014 at 6:36 PM · Report this
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@3 Arthur,why do you come across as such an angry person? I won't try and argue with you any more. You are unreasonable and narrow minded and if you are doing this sort of bullshit posting to get attention you come across as as a real asshole. Bend over in front of a mirror, look between your legs and the brown eye is the opinion that most everyone on this site has of your posts.
Posted by longwayhome on June 11, 2014 at 9:40 PM · Report this
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Arthur,why do you come across as such an angry person?
I'm not angry at all. But the fact remains that you have fingered yourself as an ethically challenged individual who would lift money from someone's wallet. The world needs *less* douche bags like you.
Posted by Arthur Zifferelli on June 12, 2014 at 8:39 AM · Report this
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Anonymous Restaurateur: my question to you and all the restaurant owners in the Stranger that are against $15/hour - Is your bar/restaurant a crappy place to go? Do you have bad service, overpriced food, sloppy management, consistently poor Yelp reviews, etc.? That's your problem - not $15/hour. Maybe you are in a bad location? Maybe the public doesn't want what you are offering? I'm not sure all restaurant/bar owners are looking critically at their establishments.
Posted by Daphne B on June 12, 2014 at 12:27 PM · Report this
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Will anyone admit they were wrong 5 years from now when hamburgers do not cost $25?
Posted by Seattle in Alaska on June 12, 2014 at 12:45 PM · Report this
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Is it just me or is the math completely fucked by the people who are arguing the food and drink prices would inflate that much?
$5 burger sold 5 times in one hour = $25
$25 burger sold 5 times in one hour = $125

That is $100 more an hour. I get that that money isn't pure profit, I'm not an idiot. But that is 100 more dollars in this equation when the only thing changing is the employee cost. How many fucking employees do you have to justify that kind of inflation?

If a business owner inflated their prices that much then they are simply vultures trying to take advantage of the wage increase. To help with the math: the minimum wage is going to be 1.6 times higher. So just make your crap burgers 1.6 times more expensive, not 5 times. Maybe that's why your business is failing, because you don't know 2nd grade math. Just get one of your underpaid employees to help you figure it out.
Posted by kittysnake on June 12, 2014 at 1:01 PM · Report this
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@24 - Hey Arthur, you decry somebody taking money out of someone else's wallet, yet you support a mandatory wage taking money out of the business man's wallet?

Typical lefty, it's not theft if WE do it.

Hypocrite.

Posted by delbert on June 12, 2014 at 7:10 PM · Report this
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@28 Arthur is a jerk.
Posted by longwayhome on June 12, 2014 at 9:00 PM · Report this
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i'm just hoping that the 15.00 wages don't raise prices more than what they would be if i leave a 20% tip, as i usually do. raise prices 15% and i'm good, because i'll save 5% by not leaving a tip. Even when I go out for my weekly 75.00 steak and two glasses of wine at 15.00 a pop, yep you guessed it… no tip.. i'm the mr. pink of tipping from now on and if you don't know what that is, watch reservoir dogs and know that while you whine i'll be enjoying my wine..all with no tip!!
Posted by esp on June 12, 2014 at 9:44 PM · Report this
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Just to add to kittysnake's comment. Labor is going up 1.6x which by her math would be an increase from $5 to $8. But labor isn't 100% of the cost of the burger, it's around 30%. So it's more like a $1 to $1.50 increase at the maximum, all things being equal.
Posted by Pixelboy7734 on June 13, 2014 at 6:42 AM · Report this
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@28 Arthur is a jerk.
For pointing out that you have admitted to having "sticky fingers" and have an attitude about that shows a lack of morals and ethics?

Sure, OK...

As to this I, Anon, if this person who supposedly owns a small restaurant, can't pay his/her employees a living wage, that he/she has no business running a restaurant.

And as far as tips being calculated into the "wage", tips are a gratuity,/b> for good service, not part of the wage the employer pays.

Posted by Arthur Zifferelli on June 13, 2014 at 9:14 AM · Report this
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funny that al of these morons that bitch at someone that actually has the nuts to try and open a business and employ people and provide a service, are the same ones that would cry like babies should their boss say that they needed to have their wages cut to pay the 1.6 percent to pay those that are working along side them..
Posted by esp on June 13, 2014 at 9:56 AM · Report this
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Dear Restaurant Owner,

Let me give you a tip, that might let you pay yourself.

Wages are considered a business expense, and are tax-deductible.
Posted by fleeting on June 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM · Report this
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I don't think "tax deductible" means what you think it means.

Wages are still a cost, often the highest single cost to employers. And wages themselves incur a litany of additional tax burdens on the owner, who pays half of every employee's federal taxes. Look at all the crap that comes out of your paycheck. That's only half of the taxes- your employers is paying the other half.

So the fact that wages are tax deductible doesn't mean the employer gets to subtract what he paid out in wages from his tax bill. It means that he gets a *fraction* of that amount in tax reduction.

It's kind of like me raising your rent by $500 a month, then handing you a $20 bill and pretending I've negated your impact.
Posted by fnbs on June 13, 2014 at 12:52 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 36


@34,

If the small business owner is genuinely not earning any profit, he/she is already paying very little to the feds, and likely nothing in terms of business taxes. But our state B&O tax is on gross receipts, which means Anon can't deduct anything from that.

@35,

Employers pay the other half of an employee's payroll tax, 6.25 percent for Social Security and 1.45 percent for Medicare, not the employee's federal income tax, you lying dumbass.
Posted by keshmeshi on June 13, 2014 at 1:37 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 37
testing

If this doesn't work, I give up.
Posted by keshmeshi on June 13, 2014 at 1:38 PM · Report this
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Posted by Welo on June 13, 2014 at 3:25 PM · Report this
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Had you done a little research before starting a business...

First is paying yourself
(sorry you missed this as you would have been able to pay rent, bills, eat etc.instead of being homeless and food-less for the past two years but then that's kind of like being payed the OLD minimum wage so...).

Next is that 50 to 70 percent of new businesses fail within the first 18 months.
(seems you have crossed that hurdle so take hart)

Last is that most businesses do not become profitable(which is probably what you meant by not paying yourself...dumbass,how did you eat and pay rent and bills for two years if you didn't pay yourself? Food stamps and or other forms of public welfare??? (but then again that's kind of like being payed the OLD minimum wage, is it not?!?!)for the first 3 – 5 years. That’s the average so suck it up dumbass.
Posted by HolyHi-tops on June 13, 2014 at 5:25 PM · Report this
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@32 Live with your parents? No job? Bored to death? Get a job with the republican party! They would love to have an asshole like you to report the news "as you see it" I'll be the first to unsubscribe!
Posted by longwayhome on June 13, 2014 at 10:27 PM · Report this
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@38 Would like to know where you got your "handle" Welo has a special significance to me, the appearance of the sun setting on the ocean (Hawaiian)
Posted by longwayhome on June 13, 2014 at 10:30 PM · Report this
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Cry me a river... but maybe your business model is for s##!t, or you are in the wrong business. Maybe if you pay your people enough, and everyone pays people enough, then maybe MORE people will waste their hard-earned money at Seattle's already RIDICULOUSLY, over-priced restaurants (ya, and why can I eat cheaper in Manhattan than in Seattle???).
Posted by baldman on June 14, 2014 at 12:08 AM · Report this
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Considering the huge number of restaurants that exist, why is it a big deal if a few of the worst ones go out of business? After all, if you don't pay your workers a living wage, then the taxpayers are forced to pay more to cover that person's food stamps and other social welfare. All you are doing is shifting the cost of doing business from yourself to the taxpayers. (That is why delbert and alongwayhome are wrong that this is stealing from the business owner to give to the employee. On the contrary, the employee earns a living wage by doing the work and if the employer doesn't pay then the taxpayers pay it. If the taxpayers have to pay it then that is the employers stealing from the taxpayer because they don't know how to run a business.)

The restaurant business may be the toughest, most competitive business. As such, we should expect many restaurants to go under, especially if the owners don't know what they are doing. If you can't run a restaurant AND pay your workers a living wage, get out of the business and let the experts handle things.

As for restaurant food getting more expensive, first of all, $25 a hamburger is an exaggeration for reasons others already pointed out. The math doesn't add up. Maybe a high quality burger would go for $8, and yes there are people willing to pay that. Hell, for a 90% lean burger with veggies piled high and no pink slime, I would pay $12. You have to remember that people really concerned about price buy their food from supermarkets. Going out to eat is a luxury and yes, for good service and quality people who can afford to go out to eat in the first place will be willing to pay more than if they were cooking it at home....IF you can give the quality and service they are looking for. And for good service, you really need happy, loyal employees. Employees are not going to be happy if they have to apply for food stamps because you are too cheap.
More...
Posted by Diagoras on June 14, 2014 at 12:46 PM · Report this
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@32 Live with your parents? No job? Bored to death? Get a job with the republican party! They would love to have an asshole like you to report the news "as you see it" I'll be the first to unsubscribe!
I'm sorry you don't like to be called out for having "stick fingers" and low ethics and morals, but thems the breaks for a Seattle Hipster Douche Bag such as yourself. You assume that because you have rationalized stealing money from someone's wallet, those who point out your douchey-ness liars. I am amused that all you got is calling those you disagree with "Republicans". Lame.
Posted by Arthur Zifferelli on June 14, 2014 at 1:08 PM · Report this
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@45 You lost that round,arthur. Judging by the time of day you posted you don't have much going on in your life. I'm sorry for that, but I'm not sorry for the fact that you come across as an angry young person that has no job, or a minimum paying one, you probably live with your parents, you posted today at 1:08 p.m. what the fuck are you doing posting your vomit when you should be either working or enjoying the nice spring weather in Seattle? You are an angry loser, go out and ride your bike, or borrow one if you don't have one. Go look at the boats on Lake Union,go to the many museums in Seattle that would provide some cultural input to your sorry ass. Get a life.
Posted by longwayhome on June 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM · Report this
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To all you people who think it's unusual for a small business owner to get no paycheck for the first year or two, or that it indicates a flawed business model or execution: do yourself a huge favor and never step out of your sad, tiny role of wage slave. You won't get it, you won't like it and it will most assuredly eat you alive.

Signed,
Self employed since 1996
Posted by Hi Seattle Losers on June 14, 2014 at 9:40 PM · Report this
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I work in the industry and I agree with the anon. I'm just waiting for the prices on everything from rent to oj to a pint to just start creeping up and up. Just cuz we make more money, how's that gonna stop them from asking for some more?
Posted by Yourname on June 15, 2014 at 3:17 PM · Report this
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$25 burgers and $8 lattes? Okay now I'm suing you for stealing my business plan. -- El Gouge You
Posted by RicketyRick on June 15, 2014 at 4:05 PM · Report this
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I read the title and was hoping it was about cheap whores. I'm disappointed.
Posted by MythicFox on June 16, 2014 at 4:16 AM · Report this
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I hereby report this IA for trolling.
Posted by Paddy Mac on June 16, 2014 at 8:40 AM · Report this
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@48 the prices on everything are going up no matter what happens with this "$15 an hour thing". You really dont want prices to go down.
Posted by Seattle in Alaska on June 16, 2014 at 2:56 PM · Report this
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@44 Great post

Employers who pay sub-living wages steal from tax payers.
Posted by Get Real on June 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM · Report this
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Why do so many people on here have the impression that it's an employer's responsibility to make sure his or her employees have enough money on which to live? How about a little thing called personal responsibility? If you're not making enough money, it's up to YOU to improve your skills so your labor will be worth more money. This canard that businesses are stealing from taxpayers when their employees are on assistance is nonsense. It's the individual's actions that caused them to be there, NOT the employer. It may seem unfair, but that's economics for you! You can't pay someone more than their labor is worth.
Posted by You can do it on June 17, 2014 at 4:56 AM · Report this
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It all comes out of YOUR pocket and MY pocket one way or another. Pay a sub-living wage = employees are forced onto welfare and food stamps. Pay a decent wage = cost of burgers goes up. But I'd rather have the choice to pay more for a burger, or eat at home, or go to a different restaurant, than feel a restaurant owner is subsidizing his own private profits out of cheap labor and my tax dollars.
Posted by akeru on June 18, 2014 at 8:58 AM · Report this
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#54, you're a smug, self-righteous idiot. Do you know how many people are working in the restaurant industry these days who are highly educated, have job skills, and many years of professional work experience, but have found themselves unemployed or underemployed as a result of the recession and subsequent decline of available positions? There are only so many jobs for lawyers and accountants and librarians, and many professional fields have had stagnant hiring for nearly a decade now. And it's great to say that people should go back to school and get a new degree or other retraining, but if you are unemployed or making $8.50/hr, how the hell are you supposed to do that, exactly? Would love to hear your wisdom on how everyone is doing it wrong because they are all so lazy and worthless.
Posted by akeru on June 18, 2014 at 9:03 AM · Report this
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Wow, Akeru, you're quite adept at putting words in people's mouths. My point was that you can't pay someone more than their labor is worth. It's economics. A restaurant owner would not be "subsidizing his own private profits out of cheap labor", he is running a business. Let me ask you this - if $15 an hour is so beneficial, why not make it $20 an hour? Or $30?

My other point was that people who aren't making enough have to do something to lift themselves up. Why is that such a terrible concept? You shouldn't wait for the government to come and save you - save yourself!
Posted by You can do it on June 18, 2014 at 9:42 AM · Report this
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Lift themselves up. What a joke. You are most likely a person who came from a solid home, good education, the ability to afford more education. Slightly above 100 IQ so that you have the skills to move forward. You probably had a decent diet and encouraging parents to feel like you could make something of yourself. Go to a run down part of this country. Go see how these kids are brought up with nothing to live for except the handouts that are all they have ever known. Some folks do rise, but the percentage is very low. (I have a 142 IQ and find you silly hairless monkeys funny.)
Posted by lovetheidiotsthatposthere on June 19, 2014 at 2:30 PM · Report this
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@ 58,I am a college dropout, and have worked in restaurants all my life. I also enjoyed few of the benefits you mention in a stable household. I grew up poor with little food in the house that wasn't pasta or gov't cheese. The only thing I think I do got is an IQ of at least 100 (I know it doesn't compare to your "142") Simply by being dependable, having common sense, and a modicum of people skills I have managed to work from busser to owning 2 restaurants, all on minimum wage jobs + tips in. Go figure, in my experience anyone can lift themselves up but yes it does require showing up and working hard. If you have worked in restaurants you would understand it is a lowest common denominator labor pool. It is rare that being a waiter/busser/cook/bartender are their first priority like with a lawyer, doctor, cpa, etc. They are always a parent, student, actor, writer first and the restaurant is just a job, so they don't have the drive to do more than the minimum and get by. That is fine as long as they show up and give guest first service.
Posted by sawant is like bizzaro tea party on June 20, 2014 at 6:55 AM · Report this
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Good for you, #59. You are exactly what I was talking about. I love to hear stories like yours.

#58, I would seriously hate to be as cynical as you are. People lifting themselves up is what built this nation. We can't have a nation where only some people can support themselves, and the rest are on the government dole. And yes, even people who have come from difficult upbringings can do it. Let's stop using excuses as to why we can't do things, and use that energy to find a way. I agree that there are people who need help. But the vast majority who complain that they're not getting paid enough are the ones who aren't doing enough.
Posted by You can do it on June 20, 2014 at 11:30 AM · Report this
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@60 I'd like to see a source cited about your "vast majority."
You know, since I have a bachelor's degree, military service, multiple qualifications, and I work 40-50 hours a week yet still barely make enough to pay for anything more than rent and food. I've got resumés out: no one is hiring in my areas of expertise.
So am I lazy, stupid, or just an idle complainer?
Posted by Feezle on June 21, 2014 at 6:48 PM · Report this
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... and you're right. We CAN'T "have a nation where only some people can support themselves, and the rest are on the government dole." So let's stop being complicit in this lie that paying people enough that they can actually live in the city where they work without subsidies and use their own money for food and clothing will somehow destroy business as we know it.
The 1960s were an era of massive business growth, and yet the average low-skilled worker could still afford to raise a family. Why? Because the minimum wage was commensurate with costs of living. Most businesses paid their employees more than minimum wage and gave them benefits to boot, because they saw labor as an investment: not as an annoying cost to be cut.
The restaurant and hospitality industries keep crying that this is going to force them out of business due to increased costs. Nothing is being mentioned about an increase on the income side. Clearly no one bothered to pay attention in economics class.
Check it out: your industry is a luxury. It is only patronized by those with disposable income. More disposable income for lower income workers means more income being spent on... wait for it... you guessed it! Hospitality and restaurants. Your volume will increase. More volume means more profit. Less crying more reading.
Posted by Feezle on June 21, 2014 at 7:11 PM · Report this
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The one million dollar question: who the fuck is going to hire a non-English speaker at 15/hour? (if the value of that money stays constant) Who is going to hire someone with a felony on their record for 15/hour? Who is going to hire a high school drop out at 15/hour?
Will this be the end of the world? No. But it sure as hell will create a lot of unemployable people. If businesses are forced to only pay top dollar, they are going to hire only top-dollar employees. When that happens, a lot of people will find a job in Seattle hard to come by, and it will be the very poor, ex-felons and others who suffer the most.
Posted by collectivism_sucks on June 22, 2014 at 2:07 AM · Report this
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Feezle, come on. More people making minimum wage is going to result in more spending on restaurants and hotels? Ha ha! Very funny.

And I have to take it for granted that when you said no one was paying attention in economics class, you were including yourself. How can you say that arbitrarily raising the minimum wage is going to help people when it's really going to lock people out of employment? If your labor isn't worth $15/hour, who is going to hire you?

As for your just being able to get by, I don't think you're lazy, stupid, or an idle complainer. Maybe you just need to try something different. It's like the old saying goes, if you find you've dug yourself into a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.
Posted by You can do it on June 22, 2014 at 7:25 AM · Report this
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@63 So your main complaint is that if we raise wages customer service will be too good?
Posted by Seattle in Alaska on June 23, 2014 at 11:28 AM · Report this
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No, my main complaint is that recent immigrants, most of whom don't speak fluent English, will be priced out of the job market.
I actually believe ex-felons, immigrants, and drop outs deserve jobs too, even if you have to be "inconvenienced" by what may or may not be less than stellar customer service.
Posted by collectivism_sucks on June 23, 2014 at 5:14 PM · Report this
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I missed it: when did they repeal the law of supply and demand?
Posted by delbert on June 25, 2014 at 5:30 AM · Report this
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anon- fuck you. pay restaurant workers enough for them to live on, and maybe even put a couple bucks in the bank every month.

again, i can't say this any more eloquently- fuck. you.
Posted by ilikefood on June 25, 2014 at 11:38 AM · Report this
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68 - Pay restaurant workers enough for them to live on? How do they that? Does the owner of the restaurant sit down with them, go over their monthly bills like rent, cell phone, etc, and then figure out how much money they need? Then, of course, they would have to estimate how much money the server would make in tips, so they can make sure they're getting their fair share. That makes sense. What happens if the restaurant doesn't make enough money one month? Will the employees share their tips so the restaurant can pay ITS bills? It's an interesting point you've brought up, and brought up so eloquently.
Posted by You can do it on June 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM · Report this
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@66 You sound like the worlds worst consultant. Any other Ideas for small businesses other than provide worse customer service? Maybe let meth-heads cook up in your restrooms, have your employees randomly drop the N-bomb when speaking with clients or release some snakes in the dining area.
Posted by Seattle in Alaska on June 26, 2014 at 11:55 AM · Report this
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" Hey Arthur, you decry somebody taking money out of someone else's wallet, yet you support a mandatory wage taking money out of the business man's wallet?"

Er. Do you realize whose work put money in the business man's wallet ?

Customers give their money for food. Food prepared by workers. So those workers did the work which brought the customers' money into the business man's wallet.

If he puts all of that money, that was earned by someone else's work, into his own pocket : he's a thief. An Ayn Rand's kind of thief, but a thief nonetheless.
Posted by sissoucat on July 1, 2014 at 3:01 AM · Report this

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